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#21 RedWingsDad

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:32 AM

 

Your tune might change if your own child were to suffer a stage-three concussion on the ice. In addition to all of the common symptoms, this would also make him tremendously more susceptible to future concussions.

 

Since you arrogantly presume to tell me how I might feel about my own child... let's take your logic and run with it. Your assertion suggests I should support removing checking from hockey entirely, at any level...because after all, whether my child is in peewee or in the NHL, they are still my child.  Or perhaps your assertion is that stage three concussions are only an issue (more harmful?) at the peewee level?

 

Rather, I would offer up an alternative view point relating to my own child. That is, instead of trying to alter the game of hockey, I will put my son in hockey knowing that he unfortunately runs a risk of a concussion... because hitting is a part of the game. As well, teach him to play smart, keep his head up, and protect himself.

 

Edit: As well, the onus needs to be on the leagues and the parents to effect rule changes (slow the game down) and harsher penalties to limit concussions.


Edited by RedWingsDad, 10 May 2013 - 11:50 AM.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:07 PM

Kids don't want to learn how to check at that age for the most part(meaning checking properly, they obviously want to hit). Their skillset is undeveloped, and taking checking out of the game until they have a solid grasp and the cognitive ability to understand when, how and why bodychecking is allowed in the NHL I completely agree with Alberta's decision. All it takes is one kid to not know the skill to make an huge negative impact. Even if 95% of the kids could hit properly, there is still going to be situations where checking from behind, elbows etc. get up because the kid doesn't understand the consequences of the play. That's not even mentioning the fact that even legal checks can severely hurt a young player. There is still a lot to teach kids about the game, teach them to be strong on the skates along the boards, teach them how to protect the puck, teach them how to cycle, just because you can't lay someone out doesn't mean you can't teach the player to be strong on the puck during battles and to protect themselves.

 

I understand that some want kids to learn how to protect themselves at a young age, but in my opinion that's like letting a kid drive a car immediately off the lot and just let him learn as they go, putting other people and themselves in danger. There is a reason in society that responsibilities have to earned over time, and I don't see why hockey should be any different. Kids hitting each other put them at more risk, because their mind and body is still developing, and concussions can happen from perfectly legal checks. I don't see why any parent would be against this, but then again I'm just a 23 year old.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:22 PM

Kids don't want to learn how to check at that age for the most part(meaning checking properly, they obviously want to hit). Their skillset is undeveloped, and taking checking out of the game until they have a solid grasp and the cognitive ability to understand when, how and why bodychecking is allowed in the NHL I completely agree with Alberta's decision. All it takes is one kid to not know the skill to make an huge negative impact. Even if 95% of the kids could hit properly, there is still going to be situations where checking from behind, elbows etc. get up because the kid doesn't understand the consequences of the play. That's not even mentioning the fact that even legal checks can severely hurt a young player. There is still a lot to teach kids about the game, teach them to be strong on the skates along the boards, teach them how to protect the puck, teach them how to cycle, just because you can't lay someone out doesn't mean you can't teach the player to be strong on the puck during battles and to protect themselves.

 

I understand that some want kids to learn how to protect themselves at a young age, but in my opinion that's like letting a kid drive a car immediately off the lot and just let him learn as they go, putting other people and themselves in danger. There is a reason in society that responsibilities have to earned over time, and I don't see why hockey should be any different. Kids hitting each other put them at more risk, because their mind and body is still developing, and concussions can happen from perfectly legal checks. I don't see why any parent would be against this, but then again I'm just a 23 year old.

 

This is not just an appeal to tradition (fallacy), but for how long has NA hockey had hitting at the peewee level? How many concussions? Has this always been an issue we are just now addressing? If it wasn't always an issue, what changed?

 

I honestly don't know the answer to these question, and am too lazy to look them up now, but they would seem to be relevant to the discussion.


Edited by RedWingsDad, 10 May 2013 - 12:23 PM.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:44 PM

 
This is not just an appeal to tradition (fallacy), but for how long has NA hockey had hitting at the peewee level? How many concussions? Has this always been an issue we are just now addressing? If it wasn't always an issue, what changed?
 
I honestly don't know the answer to these question, and am too lazy to look them up now, but they would seem to be relevant to the discussion.


I know I for had a concussion at 14, I know many teammates that ha them as well. Granted this isn't statistical proof just personal experience.

I'd imagine the main change to increase concussions would be pads, the force of impact has to be much more significant now a days with hard football style shoulder and elbow pads, if they don't directly increase them, the feeling of being invincible with newer pads must play some role in players taking more risks in physical play.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:34 PM

Problem is nobody teaches these kids how to check or how to take/avoid one. And kids at that age aren't out there to kill one another I would be willing to bet 90% of those injuries come from illegal checks or situation where the player being hit was unprepared.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:09 PM

wtf I was in body contact in atom hockey age 8 wtf


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:29 PM

Problem is nobody teaches these kids how to check or how to take/avoid one. And kids at that age aren't out there to kill one another I would be willing to bet 90% of those injuries come from illegal checks or situation where the player being hit was unprepared.

 

I don't know man, we spent a ton of time on checking from what I recall, and this was 10+ years ago. I played AAA, not sure if my experience was different than people who played house or travel. But I do remember spending a ton of time on checking, every practice we'd have drills where we would check other at the blue line, in the corners, in front  of the net etc. And being stressed how to protect yourself by getting closer to boards, and not turning into boards to receive a check.

 

And not all injuries come from illegal checks, injuries will happen from legal hockey checks, and that's something I don't think people are taking into consideration, even if you could guarantee every kid protected himself 100%, and every check was 100% clean, there is still plenty of injuries from legal hits. Subjecting kids to that kind of body trauma at a young age isn't smart in my opinion.

 

The more we learn about the brain, the more we understand the consequences of concussions, and they aren't good. Hitting should always be a part of hockey, but it can and should be something introduced when the kids can handle the responsibility. 



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:31 PM

Problem is nobody teaches these kids how to check or how to take/avoid one. And kids at that age aren't out there to kill one another I would be willing to bet 90% of those injuries come from illegal checks or situation where the player being hit was unprepared.

For me, ~20% of practice time during the weeks before the first games in peewee were spent learning to hit and to take a hit. Coaches have a big responsibility in educating their players

I do think players should learn to play the body before full checking is allowed. This was sometimes allowed before peewee, depending on the refs.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:58 PM


I'm not crazy about this. I feel that the size disparity is greater between the largest and smallest 13 year olds than the largest and smallest 11 year olds.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

 

I don't know man, we spent a ton of time on checking from what I recall, and this was 10+ years ago. I played AAA, not sure if my experience was different than people who played house or travel. But I do remember spending a ton of time on checking, every practice we'd have drills where we would check other at the blue line, in the corners, in front  of the net etc. And being stressed how to protect yourself by getting closer to boards, and not turning into boards to receive a check.

 

And not all injuries come from illegal checks, injuries will happen from legal hockey checks, and that's something I don't think people are taking into consideration, even if you could guarantee every kid protected himself 100%, and every check was 100% clean, there is still plenty of injuries from legal hits. Subjecting kids to that kind of body trauma at a young age isn't smart in my opinion.

 

The more we learn about the brain, the more we understand the consequences of concussions, and they aren't good. Hitting should always be a part of hockey, but it can and should be something introduced when the kids can handle the responsibility. 

In the sameish time period I remember having clinics and stuff available and learning to check but it was minute vs everything else.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

 

I understand all of your points, but disagree. Kid's would be better prepared if they developed skill with the fear of being checked... because that is what they will face when they play the real game. Beyond that, I see it as a deliberate bottom up approach to making hockey a softer game, which I don't agree with.

 

"You had a number of players who were just out to hit and didn't have the basic skills down" Sounds like hockey to me! Relatively speaking, a lot of the goons in the NHL today don't have the basic skills down, at least compared to non-gritty players on the team. Sounds like your just describing a microcosm of the NHL.

 

The problem is that kids coming up into PW hockey were just hitting and not developing the stickhandling and skating skills.  You had kids just out there to hit, and while this is all said and good, the quality of the hockey at the PW level was pretty bad.  These kids then couldn't cut it when they got up to Bantam level.

 

Personally, I would prefer to see less goons and more skilled players.  There is a place for fighting and checking into the game, and IMHO, starting the hitting out at the Bantam level is the right thing to do.  At the PW level, it was very questionable.

 

Yes, the coaches are teaching their kids on how to hit and take a hit.  This starts small at the squirt level and goes up from there.  There is a great program that USA hockey has going and that goes from the coaching, player training, evaluations, and refereeing.  I really am glad that checking is removed from PW hockey.

 

Here is a good story on the stats and injuries in relation to youth hockey.

 

http://www.usahockey...- JAMA 2010.pdf


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:21 PM

This is not a big deal.  Most children start out playing flag football, which is noncontact, and then graduate to full contact later.  This is no different. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 03:11 PM

Nova Scotia has followed suit and has also banned hitting at the Peewee level.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:38 PM

And have you guys heard the latest outrage?  Young kids all over America are hitting baseballs off a tee instead of being pitched to.  How will they ever learn the requisite skills to play a sport if they're not doing it EXACTLY as the pros do from the earliest possible age? 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:30 AM

And have you guys heard the latest outrage?  Young kids all over America are hitting baseballs off a tee instead of being pitched to.  How will they ever learn the requisite skills to play a sport if they're not doing it EXACTLY as the pros do from the earliest possible age? 

 

You're totally right, we need to get checking out of timbits...



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:35 AM

I'm old I remember being all excited to get to pee wees and start hitting. I don't remember anybody really getting hurt, but it makes sense. Luckily puberty was on its way for me and I was bigger which made it fun knocking kids on their ass. That being said it probably was a good idea to ban it till bantams. I remember playing with a kid in pee wees who would rock kids and had a ridiculous slap shot for a 12 year old. Comparing him with the other smaller kids was like a man among boys and I could see how kids could get hurt. At least in bantams more kids are on their way to puberty and can even the playing field a bit physically.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

Taking centre stage...from CBC:

 

 

Hockey Canada's board of directors have voted to eliminate bodychecking from peewee-level hockey.

The decision came at the group's annual general meeting in Charlottetown on Saturday, where it was agreed that hitting would be taken out of the game for players under the age of 13.

The old policy allowed bodychecking for children aged 11 and 12.

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