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#121 ami

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:01 PM

giving a recent tendency in Shanny's hearing resolutions, Neal gets 2 slaps on the both wrists with resolution reading a word 'unintentional' - he wears right jersey. and thornton get 10 games since he wears wrong jersey and is an idiot.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:14 PM

@RedWingsFeed: The Character Assassination of Brooks Orpik: Bostons Thornton chasing down... http://t.co/dCrTKCskhp via @TheHockeyWriter #NHL #RedWings

As captain save a ho when it comes to Kronner, I don't appreciate an article claiming character assassination on one player turning around and pointing a finger at an uninvolved player with a "but but but he's worse justification." Did think the article was an interesting read though.

And, of course, 5 games for Neal:

@NHLPlayerSafety: James Neal suspension video: http://t.co/vOqnaI92TR

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:32 PM

@RedWingsFeed: The Character Assassination of Brooks Orpik: Bostons Thornton chasing down... http://t.co/dCrTKCskhp via @TheHockeyWriter #NHL #RedWings

As captain save a ho when it comes to Kronner, I don't appreciate an article claiming character assassination on one player turning around and pointing a finger at an uninvolved player with a "but but but he's worse justification." Did think the article was an interesting read though.

And, of course, 5 games for Neal:

@NHLPlayerSafety: James Neal suspension video: http://t.co/vOqnaI92TR

 

It's all over the place and it's been pissing me off all day.  Orpik didn't do anything cheap, dirty, or borderline.  Yet somehow he's got to respond to doing nothing or else get hauled to the ice from behind and punched in the face.  I mean, it must be his fault.  Obviously frequent goon and occasional hockey player Shawn Thornton couldn't have gotten carried away with his dumb ass retaliation. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 03:49 PM

giving a recent tendency in Shanny's hearing resolutions, Neal gets 2 slaps on the both wrists with resolution reading a word 'unintentional' - he wears right jersey. and thornton get 10 games since he wears wrong jersey and is an idiot.
Shanahan is such a joke. How can one justify not even looking at the hit from Orpik and of course Neal should have an inperson hearing too but since both are wearing the right the jersey the Penguins are getting away with t once again. The department of player safety and especially Shanahan should be ashamed, disgusting. Hopefully, they pull this crap against the Calgary Flames on Bartschi or Monahan, McGrattan is not going to ask them if they want to dance +gg+

 

btw. if that's true https://twitter.com/...144999309729792, huge kudos to Shero.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:03 PM

Well Neal got 5 games, but according to Shanny's video he wasn't considered a repeat offender for some reason even though he'd been suspended twice before.  I don't really get it.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:13 PM

Well look at the bright side, we wont have to face Neal on saturday! Definitely helps our chances!

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:23 PM

Well Neal got 5 games, but according to Shanny's video he wasn't considered a repeat offender for some reason even though he'd been suspended twice before.  I don't really get it.

 

“Though he is not a repeat offender under terms of the CBA (collective bargaining agreement), we cannot ignore the fact that Neal has previously been fined once and suspended twice in his six-year NHL career,” 

 

The CBA says he's not a repeat offender.  Shanny doesn't ignore the fact that he's been suspended and fined before. 

Status as a "first" or "repeat" offender shall be re-determined every eighteen months. For example, where a player is suspended for the first time, he is a repeat offender if he is suspended again within eighteen months of the first incident. If he is not suspended a second time within this eighteen month period, he is no longer a repeat offender for disciplinary purposes.

 

Neal's last suspension was April 2012... he's cleared that 18 month window.

 

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Factors In Determining Supplementary Discipline

In deciding on supplementary discipline, the following factors
will be taken into account:

     a)   The type of conduct involved: conduct outside of NHL
rules; excessive force in contact otherwise permitted by NHL
rules; and careless or accidental conduct. Players are
responsible for the consequences of their actions.

     b)   Injury to the opposing player(s) involved in the
incident.

     c)   The status of the offender, and specifically whether he
is a first time or repeat offender.  Players who repeatedly
violate NHL rules will be more severely punished for each
violation.

     d)   The situation of the game in which the incident
occurred: late in the game, lopsided score, prior events in the
game.

     e)   Such other factors as may be appropriate in the
circumstances.

As sick as it is.. if Marchand had been stretchered off, maybe Neal probably would have gotten more.


Edited by e_prime, 09 December 2013 - 04:32 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:28 PM

 

“Though he is not a repeat offender under terms of the CBA (collective bargaining agreement), we cannot ignore the fact that Neal has previously been fined once and suspended twice in his six-year NHL career,” 

 

The CBA says he's not a repeat offender.  Shanny doesn't ignore the fact that he's been suspended and fined before. 

If Marchand had been stretchered off, maybe Neal would have gotten more.

 

I'm still glad this wasn't the case and I really dislike Marchand, he is only tough because he can hide between McQuaid, Lucic, Chara and Shawn Thornton, but if he would have been stretchered off one is looking at a severe (maybe even crosbylike concussion) and that's something I don't want to see/read about a player, no matter if I like him or not.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:30 PM

 

Finally, here's a video of the hit in slow motion (please disregard the crappy music and text commentary).  There's a slow mo of the hit at :46 seconds.  Play attention to the puck, it pretty clearly changes directions after hitting Eriksson's stick about a fraction of a second before the hit.  The only way this is a penalty is if someone wants to say that he targeted the head (but Eriksson's head and body moved right before the hit after Orpik had already committed) or that he charged (Orpik left his feet on the follow through).  Other than that it's just a good, well timed hockey hit.

 

 

Yeah, the original angles I saw it was hard to tell if the puck was just skipping.  But here it does look like it probably clipped it. 

 

It's a predatory hit by Orpik so I'm not surprised the Bruins are upset, in the same way people react to Kronner's hits.  But Thorton's actions are way over the line.  If a guy doesn't want to engage you have to let it go and get retribution other ways.  Orpik could've been a marked man all game and you take shots at their stars. There's no excuse for what Thornton did.

 

This is a difficult point to make because it sounds like I'm excusing Thornton's actions and I'm not, but I was surprised at the outcome and stretcher and whatnot because the actions themselves didn't seem that brutal.  He must've really caught Orpik on the button or something.  But that's exactly why you can't pull crap like that on an unsuspecting player.  You end up with Bertuzzi-Moore, or McSorley.

 

The league could've helped itself by coming down on the Emery mugging and established a precedent for beating an unwilling opponent.  Though at the same time you don't want to create an environment where the rats can operate more freely.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:30 PM

 

“Though he is not a repeat offender under terms of the CBA (collective bargaining agreement), we cannot ignore the fact that Neal has previously been fined once and suspended twice in his six-year NHL career,” 

 

The CBA says he's not a repeat offender.  Shanny doesn't ignore the fact that he's been suspended and fined before. 

If Marchand had been stretchered off, maybe Neal would have gotten more.

 

Ah gotcha, I guess I wasn't paying good enough attention while that was on.  Thanks for the clarification.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:32 PM

Shanahan is such a joke. How can one justify not even looking at the hit from Orpik

 

How could one justify looking at the hit from Orpik?  Absolutely nothing wrong with it, about as clean as you get.  The only argument that could be made is whether or not there is interference as he didn't have the puck, but the puck was coming to him and he didn't get it.  Either way, that argument, by no means, creates an argument for suspension.

 

He got hurt on the play because he fell back and hit his head on the ice, didn't look like Orpik made contact with his head at all....shoulder dead on chest/shoulder.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:36 PM

 

Yeah, the original angles I saw it was hard to tell if the puck was just skipping.  But here it does look like it probably clipped it. 

 

It's a predatory hit by Orpik so I'm not surprised the Bruins are upset, in the same way people react to Kronner's hits.  But Thorton's actions are way over the line.  If a guy doesn't want to engage you have to let it go and get retribution other ways.  Orpik could've been a marked man all game and you take shots at their stars. There's no excuse for what Thornton did.

 

This is a difficult point to make because it sounds like I'm excusing Thornton's actions and I'm not, but I was surprised at the outcome and stretcher and whatnot because the actions themselves didn't seem that brutal.  He must've really caught Orpik on the button or something.  But that's exactly why you can't pull crap like that on an unsuspecting player.  You end up with Bertuzzi-Moore, or McSorley.

 

The league could've helped itself by coming down on the Emery mugging and established a precedent for beating an unwilling opponent.  Though at the same time you don't want to create an environment where the rats can operate more freely.

 

I agree with you about the hit, it's definitely predatory.  He was hitting Eriksson whether he touched the puck or not.  It's almost by pure luck that it turned out not to be illegal. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:36 PM

 

Ah gotcha, I guess I wasn't paying good enough attention while that was on.  Thanks for the clarification.

 

I hate the idea of this 18 month "Oh you've been a good boy, we'll clean your slate." nonsense.

In my opinion, to say that it shouldn't factor is bologna.

 

 

I'm still glad this wasn't the case and I really dislike Marchand, he is only tough because he can hide between McQuaid, Lucic, Chara and Shawn Thornton, but if he would have been stretchered off one is looking at a severe (maybe even crosbylike concussion) and that's something I don't want to see/read about a player, no matter if I like him or not.

 

 

Yeah, I edited that post to ensure that no one thought I was hoping or wanting Marchand to be stretchered off. 

Neal's knee was just as reckless and disgusting as Thorton's actions. 

 

Also, love Neal's dodging of the question on hitting Marchand.

 


Edited by e_prime, 09 December 2013 - 04:49 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:40 PM

 

I hate the idea of this 18 month "Oh you've been a good boy, we'll clean your slate." nonsense.

In my opinion, to say that it shouldn't factor is bologna.

 

I agree with you, but if Neal's not careful he's going to get taught a hard lesson soon enough.  Star or not, if he gets the reputation as a dirty player (and he will if he keeps pulling crap like this) sooner or later they'll hand him a real serious suspension. 


Edited by kipwinger, 09 December 2013 - 06:12 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:40 PM

 

I hate the idea of this 18 month "Oh you've been a good boy, we'll clean your slate." nonsense.

In my opinion, to say that it shouldn't factor is bologna.

But previous history here wasn't a "non-factor."  If Neal had no previous history at all, I doubt he gets 5 games.  If you think about it, 5 games is actually quite a bit for an incident that didn't result in any injury.  I have no idea on the stats, but I'd guess there would be very few suspensions of greater than 5 games that had no injuries involved.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:54 PM

But previous history here wasn't a "non-factor."  If Neal had no previous history at all, I doubt he gets 5 games.  If you think about it, 5 games is actually quite a bit for an incident that didn't result in any injury.  I have no idea on the stats, but I'd guess there would be very few suspensions of greater than 5 games that had no injuries involved.

 

Intentional knee to the head doesn't warrant five games?  Repeat offender or not?  It makes the league look like a joke.

 

If the league REALLY wants to get the number of concussions down, they need to stop looking at injury or non-injury on a play as a factor in suspensions and take things like a knee to a head seriously.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 06:12 PM

If Thornton gets more than 5 games, it just once again proves what a complete joke the NHL is, and how hypocritcal they are.

 

Lets be real here, Thornton didn't even drop the gloves, he just caught Orpik just right with a gloved hit and briefly KO'd him.  The only reason everyone is making a big deal out of it is because the brought in the stretcher.  Players throw punches to each others face with gloves on literally every single game at some point.  

 

Neal should have had the book thrown at him.  That knee was such a digusting and dirty play.  Thornton was out of line too, but Neals hit was WAY worse, IMO.  The intent from Neal was nothing other than to seriously injure. 

 

Lets also not forget that the reason Thornton went after Orpik was because Neal immediately after kneeing Marchand in the head, ran to the bench like a gutless coward so he wouldn't have to go with any of the Bruins.  If Neal stays on the ice to face the music, Thornton goes after him instead.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 09:20 AM

 

I'm not sure what you're "just saying". 

The game of ice hockey at the pro levels were pretty wild in those days (maybe even more so at the AHL/IHL level)...Alot of 5 on 5 line brawls, crazy hair, porn staches, lots of missing teeth, many bruised faces, only a handful wore helmets...Like I said - wild times.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:40 PM

After I've really had time to look at this....I'm not even convinced Orpik was knocked out, or hurt for that matter.  I think he was embellishing it....a lot.  IMO he never goes limp, as players are falling on him he kind of moves around.  If you want to know what happens when someone goes limp, see Kronwall/Havlat.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 01:17 PM

After I've really had time to look at this....I'm not even convinced Orpik was knocked out, or hurt for that matter.  I think he was embellishing it....a lot.  IMO he never goes limp, as players are falling on him he kind of moves around.  If you want to know what happens when someone goes limp, see Kronwall/Havlat.

 

Who ever said he was knocked out?  All I heard was that he was concussed, which can happen without being knocked out. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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