DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 Why is this a thing? I don't know if any of you watch the NHL, but he's not good at shootouts. Oshie was only 36.4% in SO's last season. You know who did better than that? Literally a ton of guys. Lets list some names: Frans Nielsen, Tyler Ennis, Radim Vrbata, Chris Terry, Brandon Pirri, Nick Bonnino, Mats Zuccarello, David Perron, Antoine Vermette, PA Parenteau, Mike Santorelli, Gustav Nyquist, Jacob Josefson, Jakob Silverberg, the list goes on... And those aren't guys who took 1 shootout attempt and scored. Nyquist was 57% in SO's last season. Dramatically better than TJ freaking Oshie, but is Nyquist a SO specialist? No. It's only a thing because of what he did for Team USA vs Russia in the Olympics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 Am I the only one who doesn't think oshie is that great? Brouwer is bigger puts up more goals and has a smaller cap hit. I wouldn't trade Abby for oshie sorry. Most of Brouwer goals came from the best PP in the league last year. He really isn't that good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 It's only a thing because of what he did for Team USA vs Russia in the Olympics. Let's get him as well as Cheechoo while we're at it. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 Why is this a thing? I don't know if any of you watch the NHL, but he's not good at shootouts. Oshie was only 36.4% in SO's last season. You know who did better than that? Literally a ton of guys. Lets list some names: Frans Nielsen, Tyler Ennis, Radim Vrbata, Chris Terry, Brandon Pirri, Nick Bonnino, Mats Zuccarello, David Perron, Antoine Vermette, PA Parenteau, Mike Santorelli, Gustav Nyquist, Jacob Josefson, Jakob Silverberg, the list goes on... And those aren't guys who took 1 shootout attempt and scored. Nyquist was 57% in SO's last season. Dramatically better than TJ freaking Oshie, but is Nyquist a SO specialist? No. On guys with more than two attempts in shootouts last year...Oshie would be 2nd on the Wings. I'm not going to bother to dig...but how many of the guys you listed had a few attempts...like less than 5? Oshie may not be the best in the league...but he's better than most of the guys we have. Plus I'll always enjoy the Russian broadcast of his GW against the Russians at Sochi...the sound of defeat and despair in that guy's voice transcended the language barrier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) On guys with more than two attempts in shootouts last year...Oshie would be 2nd on the Wings. I'm not going to bother to dig...but how many of the guys you listed had a few attempts...like less than 5? Oshie may not be the best in the league...but he's better than most of the guys we have. Plus I'll always enjoy the Russian broadcast of his GW against the Russians at Sochi...the sound of defeat and despair in that guy's voice transcended the language barrier None had below 5. Everyone I listed had at least 7 attempts or more. And there's plenty more I can list.Just stop. He's no where close to being great at shootouts and is in fact probably below average. Do you seriously want to argue that a 36% SO makes him valuable? Edited July 3, 2015 by number9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 None had below 5. Everyone I listed had at least 7 attempts or more. And there's plenty more I can list. Just stop. He's no where close to being great at shootouts and is in fact probably below average. Do you seriously want to argue that a 36% SO makes him valuable? He had a bad year, but he's still near the top all-time. Neilsen's better, but that's about it. Silfverberg maybe, but he has less than half as many career attempts. Oshie may be way over-rated as a player, but he is very good in the shootout. 1 Shinzaki reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 Good...thanks to number9, I don't have to post anything further... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 He had a bad year, but he's still near the top all-time. Neilsen's better, but that's about it. Silfverberg maybe, but he has less than half as many career attempts. Oshie may be way over-rated as a player, but he is very good in the shootout. Link? I don't have a site that tracks all-time Good...thanks to number9, I don't have to post anything further... You're very welcome. He had one very dominant year in SO's. Same year that Sochi happened. He had another 36% year right before that season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 36% is awesome compared to what we have...should have made the move Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 Link? I don't have a site that tracks all-time You're very welcome. He had one very dominant year in SO's. Same year that Sochi happened. He had another 36% year right before that season. http://www.nhl.com/stats/shootout?season=20142015&team=&viewName=shootoutsSkatersAllTime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 3, 2015 36% is awesome compared to what we have...should have made the move Nyquist, Tatar, and Datsyuk sat at 57%, 33%, and 27% last year. So no, it's not awesome compared to what we have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 I wasn't a math major...but I'm pretty sure 36% is higher than all but one of the numbers you listed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 I wasn't a math major...but I'm pretty sure 36% is higher than all but one of the numbers you listed So let me get this straight, you think a 9% difference in Shootout percentage over a third shooter makes a guy worth trading for? Please say yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) So let me get this straight, you think a 9% difference in Shootout percentage over a third shooter makes a guy worth trading for? Please say yes.The difference in cap hit is surely worth the minimal lower point production, and huge raise in so%.Oh. Wait. Edited July 4, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter 1 number9 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 I'm saying he's better on the shootout than what we have....Nyquist's one year aberration aside. You're a curiously obsessive person aren't you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 I'm saying he's better on the shootout than what we have....Nyquist's one year aberration aside. You're a curiously obsessive person aren't you? Not at all, in fact I'm quite the opposite. Obsessively curious. For example I find it curious how you're shifting the argument away from you wanting to trade for a guy 9% better than our 3rd shooter, and towards "I'm just saying he's better man" Nyquists one year aside? How about Oshie's one 75% year aside? Suddenly he's nothing special, just like this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Yes..over time he's been consistently better on the SO than most...if not all.. of our options..we would have been a far better team with him on board last year. He's a stud...his woman is hot and we must have him on our team if we ever hope to bring home another cup. Edited July 4, 2015 by Shinzaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Dubya 32 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 Didn't realize how overrated Oshie was until I read this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 Yes..over time he's been consistently better on the SO than most...if not all.. of our options..we would have been a far better team with him on board last year. He's a stud...his woman is hot and we must have him on our team if we ever hope to bring home another cup. You mean that one year that padded his stats Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted July 4, 2015 You mean that one year that padded his stats Even without last year his career numbers are better than anyone on our team that's taken more than 4 shots. Among active players who've taken at least 20, he'd still be 6th. I get thinking that he's overrated and/or not wanting him on the team. But saying he's not good in the shootout is like saying Tyler Myers isn't tall because he's overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 5, 2015 You mean that one year that padded his stats Yeah...while we're at it, let's get rid of all those shootout goals that have also padded his stats.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted July 5, 2015 Yeah...while we're at it, let's get rid of all those shootout goals that have also padded his stats.... What like the whopping 4 he scored last year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Yes..the four that would have put him in 2nd place on the team...ahead of everyone else by...at least..33% Edited July 5, 2015 by Shinzaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted July 5, 2015 Yeah...while we're at it, let's get rid of all those shootout goals that have also padded his stats.... The only thing is he specifically said something about nyquist not being good except for last year's anomaly season on the shootout. I was just doing the same since Janie had one really good shootout year, the year of the Olympics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) TJ Oshie is an overrated player overall and got his fame at the Olympics shootout. End of story. I'd take my chances losing on the shootout than pay him 4.5 mill for his 20 goals. We have 2 younger players with an upside that can score 30 goals and make half the money (Nyquist/Tatar). If this organization starts trading away assets for a player that scores 36% on shootouts I'm going to start watching the KHL instead. Edited July 5, 2015 by kickazz 1 Dr Dubya reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
