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#2606584 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 07 May 2015 - 02:42 PM


I don't see what you see.  Anytime Helm and Abby are playing in the top 6 you can't call this a skill roster.


Tats showed up for 1-2 games in the playoffs playing against the other teams 3rd/4th line.  Nyquist mostly disappeared, Jurco had a horrible year, and Pulkkinen didn't really translate to the NHL even with all the power play time he was given.  Weiss is in the coaches dog house so I won't touch that one.  He made some mistakes and Babs never let him have a chance to recover.


I don't see how playing people who can't get it done against 3rd and 4th lines in the top 6 is going to make things better.


I know you don't.  My point, is that part of the problem is that the Red Wings are trying to make a team full of guys drafted on skill into a team full of blue collar "hard working types".  Rather than finding a coach, or playing a system, which compliments and develops their predominant skillset. 


This team has a much higher likelihood of success if Tatar, Nyquist, Pulkkinen, and Jurco reach their ceilings than if Glendening, Helm, Abby, Ferraro, or Miller do.  Why?  Because the ceiling is higher. Babs is excellent at developing grinders and physical guys.  He's not been as good at developing skill players.


The answer shouldn't be "change the whole roster to fit Mike Babcock's system", the answer should be "find a coach that can maximize the potential of this roster". 


You're putting the cart before the horse.  Babcock's system would be lethal in Winnepeg or Columbus but the roster on those teams is conducive to his style.  John Cooper, Alain Vigneault, or Peter Laviolette's systems would be better for the current Wings.  So, maybe we should find someone like that eh?

#2303340 Excellent 'Parise and Suter to Detroit' article

Posted by GoalieManPat on 26 May 2012 - 09:30 AM

With the Devils run I see Parise staying more than going now.

#2299335 2012 World Ice Hockey Championships

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 04 May 2012 - 05:54 PM

I missed the first period, was curious where Johnny E was. I was more concerned that Hank was going to get hurt, he was in the middle of EVERYTHING.

I can't find a box score but saw a mention of it earlier....did he get in a fight or what?

Injury is one reason why UFAs sometimes skip this tournament (Hudler, for example). Agents aren't big fans of UFA players going to this tournament unless they have something to prove.

#2299340 2012 World Ice Hockey Championships

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 04 May 2012 - 06:15 PM

Nik is wearing #7 and his brother Steffan is wearing #4. They are playing on the same line together. Z and Franzen are together too.

I missed the 1st and 2nd period too so didn't know Big E had left. I wondered why I wasn't seeing #52. Also, only seeing the 3rd, did it seem like Franzen was his lack-luster self as usual?

Remember the good old days when Franzen was consistently a hard worker? *sigh* Damn it Johan.

#2298367 Calle Jarnkrok - Does he have a chance to make next season's team?

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 30 April 2012 - 09:04 PM

Calle Jarnkrok.

Currently ranked as our 5th best prospect by Hockey's Future (behind Smith, Nyquist, Tatar and Jurco). Born in '91, so 21, and old enough to be considered at this point. He's spent the last two complete seasons in the Swedish Elite League, which is at least somewhat comprable to AHL-level hockey. He's said to be a great play-making center, with outstanding speed (aka defensive ability).

And, most impressively, IMO, he was chosen for the Swedish WC team over Gustav Nyquist...who we all know deserves to be on the team next season.

What are the chances this guy comes over and becomes our third line center next season (moving Helm to a more appropriate fourth line role)?

And while we're at it, what about Tomas Tatar, who will be playing with Marian Hossa and many other high profile NHL-ers on Slovakia's WC team?

I smell a (potential) great third scoring line in Nyquist-Jarnkrok-Tatar as early as next season.

Jarnkrok needs NHL size/strength. The skill's never been in question. Nyquist needs NHL size too, but I'm sure the Wings have already made the weight-room requirements clear :P

It doesn't seem like we have any prospects who can be a Datsyuk or Zetterberg in the future.

Look at a team like the Flyers, who are being carried now by young guys in their early 20's and late teens, who were guys they drafted and developed. Granted, some of those guys were higher picks, but the point is they have a great future.

Guys like Smith and Nyquist (who seem to be our best prospects) are good young players, but I don't know about them being future star players or anything like that.

Jurco, Plukkinen, Jarnkrok, Nyquist and Tvrdon all have top end upside in terms of talent. Any of them could be Z/Dats players if the Wings are lucky. Datsyuk's sublime skill really started to shine once he had the NHL strength to harness it. If any of those five can follow the same trajectory as Datsyuk did between their age and his late twenties we're golden.

Whoa, talk about a soft line: Tatar-Jarnkrok-Nyquist over Cleary-Abdelkader-Bertuzzi? Really? REALLY?

Obvious troll is obvious.

#2283671 2012 Photoshop War: Predators vs. Red Wings

Posted by McAwesome on 12 April 2012 - 02:48 PM

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#2244956 The ONE thing I can't stand about Wings games on FSD.....

Posted by wings1110 on 12 January 2012 - 09:45 PM

1800 call sam. ugliest family ever.

#2110475 At any moment... in any game...

Posted by achildr1 on 05 February 2011 - 11:37 AM


That commercial is certainly suspect. It's also curious that of all our players, Jimmy would have a commercial.

Here's my beef, we have been trashing Howard the last two months. With more than one member essentially calling for his head. Jimmy is not playing great, that's for sure. Now the "Osgood is going to save the world" posters ar coming out. None of our goalies have been exceptional or game-stealing this year. Can we please give this kid a break. The Red Wings have almost never played in front of Howard the kind of defensive hockey that they're capable of. Howard didn't play in '08 when we iced the best team I've ever seen. But, Howard showed that he is capable of stealing games and carrying this team during a season where we seen more adversity than we have in 15 years. He let in some soft goals in the playoffs, but terrible officiating and inconsistant play cost us more. He started this year strong but has been inconsistent since. If the playoffs started today, I would not be comfortable with Howard as our starter, i might even give JMac the nod. That said, Howard has the highest GAA of any goalie over the last few seasons that's played a significant number of games for the Wings...except for OSGOOD! Howard, at very least, has been a decent/adequate starter, while Osgood has made a career out of being a DECENT goalie.

Osgood is has a long history of giving up the untimely and soft goals that Howard is getting flack for, as well as recently giving up goals in which he has seemed to forget where he's even suppossed to be in the net positionally. While Ozzie has had playoff success (with 08 and 09 possibly being the best he's ever played), I personally can count the number of times that he has undeniably "stolen" games, on one hand. Last year, I watched Howard play Hart Trophy hockey for three months while we iced the Grand Rapids Griffins. He has been replaced before, arguably because he isn't/wasn't a frontline starter. His best numbers/best season were in a season where our defence was the best I've ever seen and he only played half the games.

On top of all this, until late last season when he apparently concedied to the fact that it wasn't doing him any good, he openly complained to the media about how his play wasn't his fault. Whether it was his defence not playing well, not getting enough games in a row, or Babcock's personal mission to destroy his career and confidance (ala Mike Commodore), he just wouldn't take responsibility. That's un-Red Wing like, and I'd bet if he wasn't Chris Osgood, because of his play and attitude he would have been gone already.

Ozzie has gave us some great memories and deserves his place in Wings history. I don't hate Osgood, I just don't have the same unrealistic view of what he is as a goaltender as some. I believe it should be a certainty, with his level of play and recent injury, that he does not start in the playoffs. Going by the Nabokov saga and Holland's pedigree, I imagine he agrees. My point is, judging by what we've seen of Howard so far in his career, he has a good chance of being a decent/adequate goalie in the mode of LGW's favorite 1B goalie and he is as good of a decision for the playoffs as an aging, hurt, and inconsistant Chris Osgood. All I'm calling for is a little more patience with Jimmy and some concession to the fact that Osgood isn't the answer this year either.

Note: Here's to hoping McCullom or Mrazek turn out to be bonafide big time goalies.

#2002269 Mike Modano

Posted by Guest on 21 June 2010 - 11:30 PM

Who cares if it's people that aren't in the Wings front office? I would like to know other people opinions. Hence, anyone being on this particular website. Why are you here if you're just discussing things with people that don't make decisions for the Red Wings?? You make no sense buddy. You've contradicted the whole point of being a member of a forum. :lol:

P.S. I only rated one of your posts negatively. So looks like there are other members who think you're a really smart guy. ;)

1) You've unsurprisingly miscomprehended my post. The point I was trying to make is, if there is already a discussion going on, with deeper ideas being given, then the point of a poll really is moot. This website is not a democracy, and it really doesn't matter imo how many people are on either side of an argument. This DOES NOT mean I don't think people should share their opinions, but rather something such as a pole would be redundant, and bring an unneeded element to an ongoing discussion.

2)I haven't rated any of your posts negatively, and seeing as we are currently both at -2, that means I have only minus 1 given to by another user, whereas you currently have 2. Not that it matters, or I care, just pointing out a problem you seem to do a lot, making assumptions when you don't really have a good argument.

#1977430 Marion Hossa

Posted by Hossa4Life on 06 May 2010 - 11:47 AM

If you would watch any games and not just look at stats you would see he has been playing very well. He has been killing penalties, getting high quality scoring chances and creating a lot of plays.
So are you also saying Franzen is a waste of money. He has 2 goals also and just 2 more assists and he has one more game played. Dont just post dumb stuff because you are mad that hossa left.

#1976121 Who would you most blame for a round 2 loss?

Posted by Electrophile on 05 May 2010 - 12:05 AM

All of them are the reason we're down 3-0. You win as a team, you lose as a team. The refs definitely aren't helping. And blaming Crosby is fun, no matter what it's for, so throw him in too.