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#2417289 Holland on The Huge Show.

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 03 June 2013 - 06:41 AM

Filppula at $5, 4 or 3 M per season - who cares? After this playoff I'm thinking we are better off without him. Spend the money on someone that can actually help the team. Clarkson for example.

#2416551 Standing pat according to Malik

Posted by Shaman on 31 May 2013 - 01:04 PM

A team that scored 5 goals in 3 games that they could have eliminated a team is NOT good enough. Once Chicago figured out the Wing's system they pretty much neutralized the Wing's top two lines, and became only the 25th team in the history of the NHL to battle back from 1-3 and win in game 7. Next season the Wings will find themselves in the East, were they will find themselves playing much tougher teams for 82 games, and doing so without a true #1 goal scorer, a true #1 D-man, and no back up goaltender. If you think that will end well, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. 

#2415797 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by RedLightGoesOn on 29 May 2013 - 10:40 PM

Wasn't Cleary the leader in points this series?

What's sad about this statement is how shocked we are about this. If he played better everyone would have been chanting Cleary's name. He was GOD AWFUL and would always find a way to choke on HUGE moments. He could have easily tipped this series in our favor if he capitalized on the truck tons of chances and not make as many terrible mistakes/plays with/without the puck. The fact that he is point leader shows us how bad our offense is/was.

#2415707 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Wings10 on 29 May 2013 - 10:21 PM

Hopefully Helm will be healthy and ready to go next season.

#2410573 WCSF Game 4 GDT- Blackhawks 0 @ Red Wings 2 - (DET leads series 3-1)

Posted by anthonyn66 on 23 May 2013 - 09:46 PM

Growing up near Toronto I've watched HNIC almost my entire life and grew up listening to Bob Cole. Although he gets names wrong his calls right now are giving me the chills, great stuff on CBC.

#2409237 97.1 The Ticket: Hocketown "Dead"?

Posted by MulesWillFly93 on 22 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

Radio is dead, not Hockeytown.

#2406484 WCSF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Blackhawks 1 - (Series Tied at 1)

Posted by Crymson on 18 May 2013 - 12:34 PM

Cleary, too. He decided to double-team Sharp instead of watching the trailing man, so Kane was left wide open.


I'm really, REALLY tired of Cleary. He provides nothing to the team that the average grinder cannot. His defensive acumen now seems to be totally absent.

#2400189 WCQF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 2 @ Ducks 3 (OT) - (ANA leads series 3-2)

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 08 May 2013 - 10:50 PM



In the rafters.  

#2399894 WCQF Game 5 GDT: Red Wings 2 @ Ducks 3 (OT) - (ANA leads series 3-2)

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 08 May 2013 - 09:47 PM

That's a neat story of Boudreau. Didn't know that. 

#2399271 Norris Finalists announced: Letang, Subban, Suter

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 08 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

But that's because the Norris Trophy is for the defenceman who has "demonstrated the greatest all-around ability" at the position.  Hence why defensive defencemen like Derian Hatcher and Scott Stevens never won it.


That said, its a pretty paltry list this year.  Would lol hard though if Subban wins it after all the frothing at the mouth in some parts when there was speculation earlier in the season that we could trade for him :D


But on the flipside Karlsson just won it and he doesn't have the greatest all around ability at the position either.  He's an amazing offensive defenseman but still has to develop his game in the defensive end. 


Last nights game was more evidence of Karlsson's suspect decision making.  After the game Maclean made comments about how they'd go over the mistakes Karlsson made and talk to him, and that sometimes he plays for the other team, but when he plays for their team he makes them better.


Stevens actually used to be more of an offensive defenseman.  He has the skillset, they just reigned that in in Jersey under Lemaire's system.

#2387604 nhl.com calls Kenny the best GM

Posted by The Axe on 21 April 2013 - 11:06 PM

Yes, and that is why Holland has kept hold of almost all his draft picks since 2006, because he knows you need a constant pipeline of good, young, cheap players coming through.

We don't play any of them, so who cares?

#2386909 nhl.com calls Kenny the best GM

Posted by kipwinger on 20 April 2013 - 04:50 PM

I said they can't score goals. By that I mean they both seem to be around 20-25g. And you're kind of proving my point. They're not good enough to turn average players into stars. Nothing really wrong with that; few players ever have been. I point it out because it makes it that much tougher to build a team. If we need four 30g wingers, we're probably out of luck. Couldn't afford it in free agency, even if there were 4 available. Nor do we have the trade assets, even if we completely empty the cupboards (which would leave no cheap depth to fill the rest of the roster anyway).


We need to be able to score, even if our top-6 has a couple of guys that can only pot 15-20. Cleary and Abby have 9g apiece. Franzen has 10, Brunner 11, Flip 7...Tatar, Nyquist, and Bert combined have 9 in what has essentially been the same roster spot. That's pretty good scoring depth. That's 7 players with 9 or more, plus 1 with 7.


For comparison, the Blackhawks also have 7 players with 9 and one with 7. In fact, looking at the entire forward corps of both teams, taking out Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Franzen for the Wings, and Kane, Toews, and Hossa for the Hawks... our forwards have scored just one fewer goal. Paid similar money too; we're a little under a million more. Injuries close to balanced. Bolland and Flip roughly equal out. We've had more injuries, but they've had Sharp out for a while. Our replacements have done better. It's a very minor difference. Add in Franzen and Hossa (both have missed 7 games) and the difference is 8 goals, and now the Hawks spending slightly more.


Pav and Hank have 22. Kane and Toews have 42.


It's reasonable to think we could upgrade one of the others enough to offset the 8g difference there. Not so much the other 20g at the top. We need that depth scoring. Need guys like Cleary, Abby, Bert and Sammy who can fill a role on a top line at a fairly cheap price. We can afford one upgrade, and maybe make one other swap for someone of a similar level but who fits better. No guarantees that we can find either, and no guarantees it would be enough, so we don't want to spend to much (in cap commitment or trade) to try for it.


Doens't it seem likely that the reason that Toews and Kane have so many goals is precisely because they've got serious depth across the lineup though?  You can't really double team either of those guys when they're on the ice because Hossa and Sharp can beat you on their own if you don't take them seriously.  I think both Pav and Hank's numbers are low because teams have figured out that the Wings can't beat you when Pav or Hank are kept off the board.  You can't do that with Chicago. By having real depth in their forward core it opens up the ice for the stars as well. 

#2385446 Six outdoor games in 2014 for NHL

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 16 April 2013 - 08:00 PM

Wings/Leafs will be the most epic, of course, but this really makes the WC a joke, especially if they continue to do this.  Way to f*** up another cool thing about hockey, NHL.  Will it never end?


NHL Official Release:  Because so many teams wanted one, next season there will be 8 Stanley Cups.

#2383709 Red Wings lack offensive creativity

Posted by kipwinger on 12 April 2013 - 01:20 PM



Said Babcock: “We don't score that good so we got to keep grinding. The bottom line is I thought we put a good effort in. We got another game tomorrow (at Chicago), so let's get on the flight and get something in us and get ready to go.''


The Red Wings continue to struggle to score. It doesn't look like that will change.


“The league tightens up,'' Babcock said. “Some guys score and some guys don't, and we got a lot that don't.''


"Some guys score goals and some guys don't, and we got a lot that don't" -Mike Babcock


"No sh*t" -Planet Earth

#2375029 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by Buppy on 28 March 2013 - 10:39 AM

I don't buy the "making the team worse" argument, nor the cap argument. First of all, especially last year, when all was said and done, we still had $4.5 million in cap space. But even in years before last, guys that likely would've been moved to make a trade happen would have balanced out most of the cap issues. And while I don't think you could say that making a trade that ships out talent for talent would make the team better immediately, I don't think it'd make them so much worse either. It probably would have been even then, with a stronger defense but somewhat weaker offense. But it'd make the blow of losing your top three defensemen over the course of one year much easier to swallow. Again, I'm not talking about just replacing Lidstrom, but also Rafalski and Stuart. Holland didn't even find a way to bring in a Stuart-level guy. I don't wholly disagree with some of what you're saying, and I'm not trying to suggest that perfection is the only option, but I absolutely am saying that if Holland was a truly great cap-era GM, I don't think he would've had the number and the magnitude of gaffs that he's had since really running up against the cap crunch. And don't take it from me, take it from him! He blatantly admitted that he was shocked and unprepared for what happened in the off-season in the summer of 2009. It's been much of the same drill each off-season since then, only getting worse in some ways as the seasons go by.


And to be clear, I'm fine with having a year or two or even more of struggle to get things right. If we have to field a weaker team in order to sign better guys for awhile as we sort out this transition and evolve, so be it. What bothers me most about Holland's approach is that he's seemed content to change as little as possible because the team with the core of Dats, Z and Lidstrom was generally going to be good enough to at least make the playoffs. But now Lidstrom's gone, and while the core is still strong, it hardly makes the team infallible. If heaven forbid we do lose Datsyuk in 15 months, and three months later we start the season having not addressed yet another hole in any meaningful way, will it still be excusable?


Pittsburgh landed Iginla tonight. Doesn't guarantee them anything, but we weren't even on Iginla's list according to most. No matter what you think of the deal or the other teams or how it might play out, that we weren't even a real part of the conversation is very telling of the status of our team. And again, I'd be fine with that status if it actually felt like we were building to something. But it doesn't, at all. We're just getting old and tired. As opposed to paying dues, we're just eeking by. 


You're very obviously nowhere close to "fine" with struggling.


Being a weaker team is typically how you land those better players. Getting superstars to build around typically requires being very bad for a time. It's not that Holland is content or doesn't want to change anything. It's that you can't spin straw into gold. He could spin some straw into some different straw, and maybe that would make you happy as it would at least be something to talk about, but it wouldn't make any real difference.


Yes, when Rafalski retired we got some cap space, after having none for two years. In hindsight, Holland might have given up a pick for a chance to talk to Wisniewski or Ehrhoff. Would either really make us any better? Make the future any brighter? Knowing he wouldn't get Suter, he probably goes harder after other options. Would Wideman or Carle really make that much difference?


To build, you need something to build on. The struggles we're having now and will likely have in the near future is how we'll find that foundation.