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#2537193 9/23 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on 24 September 2014 - 03:15 PM

Nope it was a reflection on the comment above yours that said to look out for Smith this season.


Aha.  I'll say this about Smith.  For two years everybody around here has been talking about how Smith needs to get some PP time.  For his confidence, for his numbers, etc.  Supposedly he's going to get it this year. 


Everybody knows I don't like Smith.  That's no secret.  Thus far in his career he's been an offensive defenseman who neither plays defense nor puts up points. 


I'm willing to cut the guy a lot of slack if he shows he's an offensive defenseman who produces offense; something he hasn't done yet, but might with PP time.  That's his role.  That's why he was drafted.  If he does that, I'll gladly overlook his boneheaded defensive miscues. 


But woe to him if he gets PP time and still doesn't produce.  At which point we should be able to agree that he's trash. 

#2536763 9/22/14 7:00 PM. Preseason GDT - DET 2 @ PIT 1

Posted by KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 on 22 September 2014 - 04:55 PM

Oh Red Wings I have missed you

#2534558 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by Son of a Wing on 19 August 2014 - 01:16 PM

Till his injury Ryan has scored 30 or more goals every season and he did that while always playing on a budget team. To me this is very impressive love the speed of Nyquist but I wouldn't even think twice about trading him for Ryan that's an absolute streak.


Playing on a budget team?  


Yeah it was really tough playing with Getzlaf and Perry for all four 30 goal seasons...


Ryan is a very good player but lets not act like he was fighting that kind of adversity...

#2534370 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by frankgrimes on 16 August 2014 - 06:22 AM

I'm so sick of that Kings argument, this was a team most people had as a cup favorite before the season. They underarchieved during the season, fired their coach and in typical kingsstyle put everything together when it counted --> playoffs. Lombardi saw flaws fixed them and brought the team two stanley cups.


With UFAs not wanting to come here, some of the prospects soon need to turn into first pairing defensemen and others are expected to at least soften the blow Pasha and soon after Zetterbergs retirement will cause this team. Also I don't buy this we are making moves once the team is ready excuses anymore, we got Hossa because he basically offered himself by signing a one year contract. Holland sadly has become very very cautious in terms of improving a team and now we are seeing more and more the results of that.


After Niskanen, Ehrhoff went elsewhere most would have been fine with staying put, creating some cap space and let the youth play and what happens ? He overpays and re-signs a borderline second pairing defenseman for 8,5 million, brings back a player who is done and will soon bring back one with another sore back and for what ? Just to keep a stupid streak alive, I gladly let the streak end if it means letting the youth play and if some don't plan out ppackage them for veteran help (not for 2 months of service....)


Even Babcock said  that the team is not going into the right direction, so sorry but I don't see the point in icing an exact same roster again and the healthy excuse more than done.

#2534248 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 August 2014 - 12:20 PM


Its not like the guy scheduled a two week vacation to the moon and skipped free agency the last few years.  There's plenty of info that suggests he kicked a ton of tires, made several intriguing offers, and in most cases those players chose not to come here for various reasons.  He's not soley to blame for our recent downturn.  You don't lose people like Lidstrom, Rafalski, and Osgood and replace them all right away...in some cases you may never be able to replace talent like that.


Holland's job is extremely difficult but all that matters are the actual results, not how many tires he kicked. 


Dan Cleary tries as hard or harder than anyone on the team but I don't see people giving him a free pass because of all the plays he tried to make but failed.


And Holland should have been working on a transition plan for Lidstrom's retirement for years.  Him participating in the ridiculous Suter sweepstakes was a pretty good indication that he didn't have one.  The reality is you don't replace Nick Lidstrom.  You have to reevaluate and restructure the entire team.  Holland keeps making moves like it's 2008.

#2534241 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by turbowhistle86 on 14 August 2014 - 11:38 AM

But do you lose players like Lidström, Rafalski and Stuart over several years and still do absolutely nothing to bolster the defense?


We should thank our lucky stars that hometown DeKeyser fell into Holland's lap or our defense would be an absolute s***fest.




#2533199 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 28 July 2014 - 04:04 PM

minus his kronwalling though, he just doesn't seem to be brave enough to do it anymore.

Do you honestly see Kronwall's reduction in hits as a lack of "bravery?" As the Wings' #1 Dman, the onus is on him to be defensively responsible at all times. He can't afford to take himself out of the play (who's going to cover-Smith?) in order to deliver a soul-crushing hit, the very type the league seems intent on cracking down on, especially if someone's hurt on the play. I don't see that as a lack of bravery, I see that as Kronner recognizing that he is now a leader on this team and adjusting his game accordingly.

As for predictions, I can't wait to see how a pain-free Z plays. If he truly feels better than he has in years, he's going to rep that C beyond our wildest dreams. *lady boner* Same with Pav and The Knee of Infinite Sorrow.

The kids are going to continue to play with swag and light a fire under everyone's ball sack. I love the smell of burnt pubes in the morning. Particularly if that morning is hosting a nationally televised NBC game. Suck it, Edzo.

I lost a lot of confidence in Howard last year, and from interviews I've read it sounds like he understands that his play was unacceptable. He's the big question mark for me this year--when he's on, the Wings are a machine. When he's off we're a bunch of monkeys humping various footballs all over the ice whilst pinching uncontrollably at the wrong times and firing off slappers over the glass resulting in ill-timed penalties and a growing sense of ennui. It's horrible.


Anyway, while I'm certainly not counting poultry, I do see that there could be some positive things to look forward to this season, despite some of the glaring holes remaining unaddressed.

#2533186 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2014 - 03:16 PM

I mean, in a full season Tatar's going to give you 20+ goals.  To me 20 goals is worth 2.75 million, every day of the week.  20+ goals and shutdown defense will get you 5 million plus.  Ask Kesler or O'Reilly. 


Tatar's getting paid what he should. 

#2532444 Hockey News: Detroit has the easiest schedule

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 18 July 2014 - 06:03 AM

All I know is let's get this season started...



#2531952 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Wings10 on 13 July 2014 - 05:33 PM

Last thing we want is Holland making a dumb trade..he has no clue.

#2531071 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by MileHighWingsGuy on 10 July 2014 - 03:36 PM

I really enjoy watching Wings games but don't stay up enough to properly evaluate some of the young talent like some around here. We've needed some solid defensemen for 3 or 4 years now to be a true contender

and it just never seems to happen. I like the fact we have tons of junior talent and a glut of forwards but Kenny needs to decide who is trade bait and pull the trigger on a couple defensemen that can make a difference

if he is going to continue to fail in FA. I hear some of the same names year after year after year in our system and they just never seem to translate to functional players. Last year at the start of the season people

were telling me Nyquist needed more time in GR, in fact he just needed to play. I'm not sure Green is the guy but its clear our defense as is will hold this team back and we are going no where fast.

#2530374 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by kipwinger on 07 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

My OPINION is that currently Smith is better at his position than Tatar, that Smith has a higher ceiling than Tatar, and that Smith brings more of what we need on this team than Tatar...


Based on what?  What has he accomplished that is anything like a rookie forward coming in and scoring 39 points? I don't expect Smith to have THE SAME accomplishments, that's dumb.  But if he was as good, I'd expect him to have EQUIVALENT accomplishments, which he doesn't. 


Also, what does he bring that we need?  He's an offensive defenseman who doesn't play defense and doesn't score many points.  He had fewer hits than any defenseman other than Kindl, and he doesn't play special teams. 


You keep saying that he brings so much, or that he's better than Tatar.  Tell me what he did and what he brings to the team. 


I'm dying to know. 

#2530024 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by LeftWinger on 04 July 2014 - 07:27 PM

he will not trade for anyone. Considering he won't part with kids, or Helm, Franzen, Smith or Kindl...He talks a big game and lets everyone down... Heck Leisure Suit Larry has made better moves than #firekenholland...and has scored!

#2530009 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by number9 on 04 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

My argument is look at out lack of center depth and question marks...legwand on a one or two year deal would've been good.

Whereas defense where our question marks elite defense? Quincey isn't. Right handed defenseman? Quincey isn't. Depth defenseman? Quincey is but well would you rather have Quincey or marchenko? Or sproul? Or oullete? Etc etc

At center right now we got dat Weiss Sheahan and helm. Helm and dat have some injury issues. Weiss is the biggest question mark in this team. Can he stay healthy? If so, can he be a number two center again?

After those four we got z and glen. Z also has injury issues and is better to be at wing and glen is a fourth liner. Anderson is also a fourth liner.

The reason why legwand makes the most sense of any of our UFAs is because he is a cheaper insurance policy for injuries which WILL happen and for if Weiss can't live up to his contract. If they do....then put legwand at wing hell he had 50+ points.

So yes comparing legwand to Quincey in terms of ho is a bigger need an cost is quite easy...if you think.

We have Dats, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, and Glendening

Zetterberg is also elite at C if we need him, and Franzen is a capable C as a last resort (don't turn this into an I hate Franzen thread)

Ur crazy to think we need more Cs, it's one of our deepest, if not the deepest, positions we have.

#2530004 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by MileHighWingsGuy on 04 July 2014 - 05:15 PM

Holland trading for Defense this year will be just like last years Holland trading to get rid of the glut of forwards...it just never happens. Holland washed his hands of free

agency when he re-signed Quincey. It was his way of saying there we're set. Every year whether at the trade deadline or free agency we wait for a big move and it just never comes.

I hope no one is waiting this year, it won't happen until we get a new GM.