1/8 GDT: Detroit Red Wings Vs. Dallas Stars

[BlueMonk 102]

Whoa. Are you guys saying that the crew in the FSN Detroit studio are not actually local? Angie Mentink (sp?) and that blonde haired guy?

[dicksmack 33]

I know you're trying to be funny, but part of the problem is that Ozzy isn't a good backup.

If Legace plays well and for the first time in his career carries the load as a starter, I have even less confidence in Osgood coming off the bench after sitting for a long stretch.

EDIT: I'm definitely not saying we should continue to start Ozzy even if he's playing poorly, just that the idea of him in a true backup role makes me worry even more about his performance. And also worry about Manny's ability to carry a heavier load.

The better goalie should start. I don't care about their respective PAST roles. Right now Manny is playing better--he's our #1 tender.

[BlueMonk 102]

I just answered my own question: Yes, it's the same people on both FSN broadcasts! If you look at the local pages for FSN Northwest and FSN Detroit, some of the same talking heads are featured on both.

Wow! I had no idea. That's ridiculously lame.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

The better goalie should start. I don't care about their respective PAST roles. Right now Manny is playing better--he's our #1 tender.

You're still missing my point.

If Manny keeps playing like he has, and Osgood keeps playing as inconsistently as he has, I completely agree. Manny should start.

But their history is relevant. Osgood has shown he's not great in the backup role. that worries me.

And Manny does wear down. I wouldn't want him playing awesome but be worn out heading into the playoffs.

My guess is that they in the regular season they will continue to share duties, with Manny carrying slightly more of the load if their play stays at it is now.

[Barnes52 0]

there are varying amounts of time dedicated to stuff related to post-game coverage, but it's very hard to digest their broadcasts in general.  it's produced somewhere in the northwest and the anchors are totally disingenuous in their approach.  they act as if they are fans but are really professional broadcasters who do one show per timezone.  a few years back, while in colorado, i saw the same guy who acted like a detroit fan doing the intermission/post-game show for the avs.

the radio (1270) is where it's at.  too bad there's a signal coming from charlevoix on the same frequency, or you could probably pick it up.

Comes from Seattle. It's a joke the way they act like they care about Detroit teams. The best part is when a Detroit team plays a Seattle team, you can watch them twice, one time with a bias towards Detroit and later with a bias towards Seattle. I have no idea why they can't produce a show here, they have some local talent here that'd work.

So the DSR is really in Seattle?

Yes, but Mickey York, Trevor Thompson and the hunky Ryan Field are all local...the anchor desk and all the anchors are from Seattle. Aren't you glad you got up this morning to learn that piece of info?

[FunkyBlueFish203 0]

You're still missing my point.

If Manny  keeps playing like he has, and Osgood keeps playing as inconsistently as he has, I completely agree.  Manny should start.

But their history is relevant.  Osgood has shown he's not great in the backup role.  that worries me.

And Manny does wear down.  I wouldn't want him playing awesome but be worn out heading into the playoffs.

My guess is that they in the regular season they will continue to share duties, with Manny carrying slightly more of the load if their play stays at it is now.

Harold, although I completely agree with your point, here's my question -- if Osgood is not up to par, and if Legace is playing well, why should Legace sit on the bench just because Osgood can't handle coming in cold?

It is not Legace's fault that Osgood is not having the best year.

Osgood had a good December with one absolutely studly game and some other strong games and some serviceable games. Legace also boasts a similar resume this season with some better stats.

Legace doesn't control how well the defense plays on any particular night. When the team loses, the goalies are also to blame, so if Osgood is losing games, he is not blunder free. The amount of defense for Osgood here crosses the limit at times. I don't care about how bad Osgood feels after letting in a soft goal or pissed off he gets or how he plans to come back stronger next time. I care about how he plays in a particular game, and if it is not good enough, then he shouldn't get free starts just because he hasn't been a backup before. He should either step up his game and play consistent hockey or get used to coming off the bench.

My guess is Babs will mostly be going with Legace from here on out for a while. If Manny keeps going strong, Osgood will continue to sit on the bench. This is not a charity auction where people are awarded games. You earn your starts, and Legace has earned his. IMO, both goalies have had their ups and downs this season, but on a day-to-day basis, Legace has outperformed Osgood so far.

Like you, the goalie situation worries me as well. I hope and pray Manny holds up and keeps playing strong, and that Osgood can rebound from this see-saw season he has had so far. We need every inch of both of them if we are going anywhere in the playoffs.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Harold, although I completely agree with your point, here's my question -- if Osgood is not up to par, and if Legace is playing well, why should Legace sit on the bench just because Osgood can't handle coming in cold?

It is not Legace's fault that Osgood is not having the best year.

Osgood had a good December with one absolutely studly game and some other strong games and some serviceable games. Legace also boasts a similar resume this season with some better stats.

Legace doesn't control how well the defense plays on any particular night. When the team loses, the goalies are also to blame, so if Osgood is losing games, he is not blunder free. The amount of defense for Osgood here crosses the limit at times. I don't care about how bad Osgood feels after letting in a soft goal or pissed off he gets or how he plans to come back stronger next time. I care about how he plays in a particular game, and if it is not good enough, then he shouldn't get free starts just because he hasn't been a backup before. He should either step up his game and play consistent hockey or get used to coming off the bench.

My guess is Babs will mostly be going with Legace from here on out for a while. If Manny keeps going strong, Osgood will continue to sit on the bench. This is not a charity auction where people are awarded games. You earn your starts, and Legace has earned his. IMO, both goalies have had their ups and downs this season, but on a day-to-day basis, Legace has outperformed Osgood so far.

Like you, the goalie situation worries me as well. I hope and pray Manny holds up and keeps playing strong, and that Osgood can rebound from this see-saw season he has had so far. We need every inch of both of them if we are going anywhere in the playoffs.

Well Put.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Harold, although I completely agree with your point, here's my question -- if Osgood is not up to par, and if Legace is playing well, why should Legace sit on the bench just because Osgood can't handle coming in cold?

It is not Legace's fault that Osgood is not having the best year.

Osgood had a good December with one absolutely studly game and some other strong games and some serviceable games. Legace also boasts a similar resume this season with some better stats.

Legace doesn't control how well the defense plays on any particular night. When the team loses, the goalies are also to blame, so if Osgood is losing games, he is not blunder free. The amount of defense for Osgood here crosses the limit at times. I don't care about how bad Osgood feels after letting in a soft goal or pissed off he gets or how he plans to come back stronger next time. I care about how he plays in a particular game, and if it is not good enough, then he shouldn't get free starts just because he hasn't been a backup before. He should either step up his game and play consistent hockey or get used to coming off the bench.

My guess is Babs will mostly be going with Legace from here on out for a while. If Manny keeps going strong, Osgood will continue to sit on the bench. This is not a charity auction where people are awarded games. You earn your starts, and Legace has earned his. IMO, both goalies have had their ups and downs this season, but on a day-to-day basis, Legace has outperformed Osgood so far.

Like you, the goalie situation worries me as well. I hope and pray Manny holds up and keeps playing strong, and that Osgood can rebound from this see-saw season he has had so far. We need every inch of both of them if we are going anywhere in the playoffs.

No, definitely not.

If Legace keeps playing well, they should keep starting him and rest him when he needs it.

It just is something I've worried about since we got Osgood and they were talking about the tandem idea. Ozzy has never been great off the bench, so if the Wings management brought him in thinking the worst case scenario he would be a solid backup for Manny, I think they used poor judgement.

And I agree. I don't care how bad Ozzy or Legace feel about letting in any goals. I just care about how they play on the ice.

As for the playoffs, even with either of these guys playing well, we're going to need to seriously improve our defense. I don't think Ozzy or Manny is capable of stealing games for the Wings when they're getting shelled.

[Barnes52 0]

We got a lot of bad bounces, a lot of pucks that hit guys and ended up on their sticks," Osgood said. "We played a pretty good game, just didn't have it after we went up 3-0, ran out of gas. I don't think we played that bad."

Who is Osgood kidding? Baghdad Bob couldn't even defend the Wings performance

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

We got a lot of bad bounces, a lot of pucks that hit guys and ended up on their sticks," Osgood said. "We played a pretty good game, just didn't have it after we went up 3-0, ran out of gas. I don't think we played that bad."

WOW

[FunkyBlueFish203 0]

We got a lot of bad bounces, a lot of pucks that hit guys and ended up on their sticks," Osgood said. "We played a pretty good game, just didn't have it after we went up 3-0, ran out of gas. I don't think we played that bad."

Who is Osgood kidding? Baghdad Bob couldn't even defend the Wings performance

This is the problem with them. Excuses roll off their tongues as easily as hot butter goes on on a roll.

The fire to win comes when you absolutely hate to lose. It's easy to come up with excuses or sugar coat things. It doesn't matter how many sticks the puck bounced over. I refuse to believe a 3-0 game becomes a 3-6 disaster thanks to some bouncing pucks. Save one or two guys, the entire team fell asleep and mailed it in, and now they're sitting minus 2 points when they could've gained those had they maintained their play.

Break a stick, yell, scream, show some emotion. I'd rather the guys do that than hang their heads and walk away meekly.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

^ And to think, I was hoping the Wings would use that to light a fire under themselves.

[FunkyBlueFish203 0]

No, definitely not.

If Legace keeps playing well, they should keep starting him and rest him when he needs it.

It just is something I've worried about since we got Osgood and they were talking about the tandem idea. Ozzy has never been great off the bench, so if the Wings management brought him in thinking the worst case scenario he would be a solid backup for Manny, I think they used poor judgement.

And I agree. I don't care how bad Ozzy or Legace feel about letting in any goals. I just care about how they play on the ice.

As for the playoffs, even with either of these guys playing well, we're going to need to seriously improve our defense. I don't think Ozzy or Manny is capable of stealing games for the Wings when they're getting shelled.

I know. I remember Babcock's comment in the off-season that he didn't like the tandem crap and was hoping one of the two goalies would steal the starter's spot. Osgood got injured in training camp and Manny really did run away with the starting spot then. He played some strong hockey just like the team but got injured and missed time. Osgood got a chance in December thanks to Manny being out and he did play well, but not enough to cement his spot. Now Manny's back and he's played 2 good games while Osgood faltered against Dallas.

Babcock hates the rotating goalie stuff as much as the next guy but he hasn't had much of a choice so far. Provided both goalies stay healthy, I think Manny will see a chunk of the starts from here on out based on performances so far.

I'm definitely in agreement over our goalies not been capable of stealing games on a consistent basis -- maybe once in a blue moon -- but you can't expect awesome performances from them night in and night out; no knock against either guy, they just aren't that good. We need to shore up our d and get a couple of physical guys in the lineup and make sure the team does it's best to play a clean and consistent game and helps out the goalies as much as possible. If that means clearing the crease, blocking shots or killing penalties, they have to do it. And then if the goalies make the needed save, we should be okay. That is the only way we are going anywhere.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

We got a lot of bad bounces, a lot of pucks that hit guys and ended up on their sticks," Osgood said. "We played a pretty good game, just didn't have it after we went up 3-0, ran out of gas. I don't think we played that bad."

Who is Osgood kidding? Baghdad Bob couldn't even defend the Wings performance

Yah I was really surprised by that comment.

I would've expected something more like "We got a three goal lead and then stopped playing." or "after we got the lead, the whole team played like a steaming pile of crap, starting with myself."

[FUUFNF 1]

Legace doesn't control how well the defense plays on any particular night. When the team loses, the goalies are also to blame, so if Osgood is losing games, he is not blunder free. The amount of defense for Osgood here crosses the limit at times. I don't care about how bad Osgood feels after letting in a soft goal or pissed off he gets or how he plans to come back stronger next time. I care about how he plays in a particular game, and if it is not good enough, then he shouldn't get free starts just because he hasn't been a backup before. He should either step up his game and play consistent hockey or get used to coming off the bench.

ah, if only the osgood ministry of propaganda could see it that way...

[J-Swift 0]

Well, if it makes you guys feel any better, at least Babcock has taken the loss pretty hard: Babcock puzzled at fall off in play

At least we know he's not making excuses for last night's game. I hope Babs has ripped into 'em by now for their pathetic effort in the second half of the game.

[OsGOD 3]

^^ Yep now we just have to hope they don't concentrate 100% on the 2nd half and let our fast start (something they just re-learned how to do last game) go to the s***ter. I swear, literaly, a complete game would be a treat to watch!

[DRW Dominance 255]

Someone help me with why the OZ got the start yesterday. He is the starter while Manny was out. Manny comes off an injury plays back to back games and then gets a rest. After Manny's performance shouldn't he have played against Dallas? Why would Babcock put in the OZ for that game. Doesn't make sense to me. If anything OZ should have played against Nashville and Manny against Dallas.

At least we know who our #1 is now. (if there was any confusion before)

[J-Swift 0]

Someone help me with why the OZ got the start yesterday.  He is the starter while Manny was out.  Manny comes off an injury plays back to back games and then gets a rest.  After Manny's performance shouldn't he have played against Dallas?  Why would Babcock put in the OZ for that game.  Doesn't make sense to me.  If anything OZ should have played against Nashville and Manny against Dallas.

At least we know who our #1 is now. (if there was any confusion before)

Starting a goalie in three games in four nights when he's fresh off the IR is kinda risky, and Ozzie has always been solid against the Stars. I don't question the decision to start Ozzie at all, however, I think he should've been pulled sooner than the sixth unanswered goal.

[Guest ontariowingsfan]

ah, if only the osgood ministry of propaganda could see it that way...

that's hysterical.

it's funny 'cause it's true

[Schneids_is_awesome 0]

We got a lot of bad bounces, a lot of pucks that hit guys and ended up on their sticks," Osgood said. "We played a pretty good game, just didn't have it after we went up 3-0, ran out of gas. I don't think we played that bad."

Did he seriously say that. Bad bounces: yes. A lot of puck that hit guys and end up on their sticks: yes. We played good: hell no. This guy, if he actually believes this, is way more out of touch with reality than I previously thought. You can NEVER play good and allow 6 goals. You can never play good and blow a three goal lead. But hmm, if it makes Ozzie sleep better at night...

[Guest ontariowingsfan]

We got a lot of bad bounces, a lot of pucks that hit guys and ended up on their sticks," Osgood said. "We played a pretty good game, just didn't have it after we went up 3-0, ran out of gas. I don't think we played that bad."

I think that's probably what Osgood's mom told him after the game.

[DRW Dominance 255]

Someone help me with why the OZ got the start yesterday.  He is the starter while Manny was out.  Manny comes off an injury plays back to back games and then gets a rest.  After Manny's performance shouldn't he have played against Dallas?  Why would Babcock put in the OZ for that game.  Doesn't make sense to me.  If anything OZ should have played against Nashville and Manny against Dallas.

At least we know who our #1 is now. (if there was any confusion before)

Starting a goalie in three games in four nights when he's fresh off the IR is kinda risky, and Ozzie has always been solid against the Stars. I don't question the decision to start Ozzie at all, however, I think he should've been pulled sooner than the sixth unanswered goal.

Manny shouldn't have started back to backs though either. The OZ should have got Nashville/St Louis and Manny should have gotten Dallas. It just doesn't make sense to have Manny start on those 2 nights and give up 1 goal and then not start him 2 days later.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

there are varying amounts of time dedicated to stuff related to post-game coverage, but it's very hard to digest their broadcasts in general.  it's produced somewhere in the northwest and the anchors are totally disingenuous in their approach.  they act as if they are fans but are really professional broadcasters who do one show per timezone.  a few years back, while in colorado, i saw the same guy who acted like a detroit fan doing the intermission/post-game show for the avs.

the radio (1270) is where it's at.  too bad there's a signal coming from charlevoix on the same frequency, or you could probably pick it up.

Comes from Seattle. It's a joke the way they act like they care about Detroit teams. The best part is when a Detroit team plays a Seattle team, you can watch them twice, one time with a bias towards Detroit and later with a bias towards Seattle. I have no idea why they can't produce a show here, they have some local talent here that'd work.

So the DSR is really in Seattle?

Yes, but Mickey York, Trevor Thompson and the hunky Ryan Field are all local...the anchor desk and all the anchors are from Seattle. Aren't you glad you got up this morning to learn that piece of info?

Woah! That's not cool. Cameron Wong, too? Haha.

Ryan Field looks like kinda....well nevermind...

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

We got a lot of bad bounces, a lot of pucks that hit guys and ended up on their sticks," Osgood said. "We played a pretty good game, just didn't have it after we went up 3-0, ran out of gas. I don't think we played that bad."

I think that's probably what Osgood's mom told him after the game.

Why the heck are you so obsessed with Osgood's Mom? You people amaze me, even moreso then before. Pathetic.