Habs talking to Wings

[Guest Tombsy]

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" The Habs are looking for a center right now. They've started talks with the Wings again. We'll see where that goes. "

I could only see Lang going.

Edit: Another quote

"The Canucks want Hartnell badly. So do the Wings, but the Predators have told teams they want to wait."

Edited October 3, 2006 by Tombsy

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Wings need to keep Lang.

And Hartnell. I will scream and pull my hair out if the Wings aquire him. NO THANKS.

[Heaton 1]

[WhiteLightning91 105]

HockeyCrazy, What is wrong with you? Hartnell would be great for this team. Imagine this:

Hartnell - Datsyuk - Franzen

Hartnell put up 25 goals last year. Think about what he could do taking set-ups from Datsyuk.

Edited October 3, 2006 by WhiteLightning91

[wingslogo19 281]

Who would we get in return??

[Seth 0]

This is from Code... Take it as you wish...

http://www.hockeysinsider.com/forums/index...c=469&st=20

" The Habs are looking for a center right now. They've started talks with the Wings again. We'll see where that goes. "

I could only see Lang going.

Edit: Another quote

"The Canucks want Hartnell badly. So do the Wings, but the Predators have told teams they want to wait."

they can have Lang if we can have Latendresse.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

they can have Lang if we can have Latendresse.

Latendresse or ryder whos also a winger , its a long shot but maybe souray , or samsonov

[WhiteLightning91 105]

they can have Lang if we can have Latendresse.

We had the chance to get Latendresse

[Rice 42]

We'll take Ryder.

[Heaton 1]

We had the chance to get Latendresse

So did 28 other GM's.

[Rice 42]

Why is Latendresse so overrated?

[eva unit zero 271]

Why is Latendresse so overrated?

Because he has some skill and plays with an edge, and some posters on this board feel that anyone who has a physical game and isn't a goon is automatically an elite player. Why we would trade Robert Lang for the next Marty Lapointe is questionable, though. Maybe if we got Latendresse as an add-on to Ryder to even up the value.

[19 for president 0]

Only way the Wings get Hartnell is if they trade like 5 1sts and Datsyuk to Nashville. Preds managment would be stupid to trade their major division rival exactly the type of player they need, unless they get a great deal in return. A three way deal could be possible but unlikely. It is doubtful that the Wings would land Hartnell. Now I still think the Wings and Habs could be good partners. I'd love to dump Lang on them, and get another Winger in return. Ideally it would be Ryder as he could immediately step in, but I wouldn't mind Perezhogin, Latendresse, or Kostsitsyn either.

[Seth 0]

We had the chance to get Latendresse

ya burns me too....but ya Ryder + Latendresse for Lang seems pretty fair to me.

[eva unit zero 271]

ya burns me too....but ya Ryder + Latendresse for Lang seems pretty fair to me.

Why are you guys so upset about not drafting Latendresse?

Kindl is a better prospect anyway, and it's not like Ryno is much worse of a prospect than Latendresse. Bigger and stronger than Latendresse, with second line scoring potential.

[WingNutt 12]

they will never trade Ryder, I would love to see Samsonov somehow find a way to Detroit, this is after all his American home, Miss wathcing him play, and in the light of that note, I miss the Detroit Vipers aswell.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Wings need to keep Lang.

And Hartnell. I will scream and pull my hair out if the Wings aquire him. NO THANKS.

What cracks me up is how Lang is just downright slammed by so many on this forum as being just a big, unphysical, lazy oaf who just happens to luck into racking up assists because he had guys like Shanny and Stevie around.

If you go back through the past 2 seasons Lang has to be the #1 most complained about player we've got.

The part in this that cracks me up is that when it comes time to trade our big loser Lang, all of a sudden we want some serious return.

As if Ryder, a good sized winger with exactly 2 NHL seasons under his belt where he happened to net 25 and 30 goals respectively, isn't enough. We also want a nice looking prospect in Latendresse to boot. Hell, why don't they just give us their #1 pick as well.

IMO, if they offerred a swap of Ryder for Lang i'd pounce on that in a second. And that's saying alot as I think Lang is one of our most valuable players.

How on Earth can Lang be butchered around here so bad but when there's rumor of a trade Lang is suddenly worth more than a 26 year old, 30 goal scorer?

Funny stuff

[Howe's Bony Elbow 0]

What cracks me up is how Lang is just downright slammed by so many on this forum as being just a big, unphysical, lazy oaf who just happens to luck into racking up assists because he had guys like Shanny and Stevie around.

If you go back through the past 2 seasons Lang has to be the #1 most complained about player we've got.

The part in this that cracks me up is that when it comes time to trade our big loser Lang, all of a sudden we want some serious return.

As if Ryder, a good sized winger with exactly 2 NHL seasons under his belt where he happened to net 25 and 30 goals respectively, isn't enough. We also want a nice looking prospect in Latendresse to boot. Hell, why don't they just give us their #1 pick as well.

IMO, if they offerred a swap of Ryder for Lang i'd pounce on that in a second. And that's saying alot as I think Lang is one of our most valuable players.

How on Earth can Lang be butchered around here so bad but when there's rumor of a trade Lang is suddenly worth more than a 26 year old, 30 goal scorer?

Funny stuff

I agree. Lang's a good hockey player who, rightly or wrongly, has this reputation that he isn't a winner that follows him from team to team. But he's a consistent point producer and actually puts up results in the playoffs, which much of this team seems incapable of doing. Still, I'm not surprised he'd be on the trade block -- we're deep at center, unless Babcock wants to move Zetterberg back to the wing. And I think Lang's contract might be up after this year, which could prove attractive to a team that feels it needs that one player to get them over the hump. But maybe keeping him a while longer gets us over the hump, too -- as long as Holland acquires a couple more players to address the team's needs.

[bringback91 2]

If you go back through the past 2 seasons Lang has to be the #1 most complained about player we've got.

The part in this that cracks me up is that when it comes time to trade our big loser Lang, all of a sudden we want some serious return.

Funny stuff

Your right GST. Although in one season here, Lilja has to be close to the top. hahaha ( I think he's looked pretty good so far this year)

Exactly, people will piss and moan about a player, then expect every G.M. in the leauge to be blind and not see what the posters see, right or wrong. I don't really get into the salary and contract things many others are well educated on, but if there looking for a young affordable good center, what about Williams? he's a natural center. Now with Hudler, Williams is more than expendable IMO. Maybe Samsonov for Williams? DON'T SHOOT!!!, just an idea.

edit: I understand that newly signed free agents don't usually get traded, but I think this would benifit both teams.

Edited October 4, 2006 by bringback91

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Your right GST. Although in one season here, Lilja has to be close to the top. hahaha ( I think he's looked pretty good so far this year)

Exactly, people will piss and moan about a player, then expect every G.M. in the leauge to be blind and not see what the posters see, right or wrong. I don't really get into the salary and contract things many others are well educated on, but if there looking for a young affordable good center, what about Williams? he's a natural center. Now with Hudler, Williams is more than expendable IMO. Maybe Samsonov for Williams? DON'T SHOOT!!!, just an idea.

edit: I understand that newly signed free agents don't usually get traded, but I think this would benifit both teams.

Williams could look good to a team like the Habs. They go for smaller, quick guys with good skills and Williams certainly fits that bill.

If they went for Lang, it'd probably be because of Kovalev. I think those 2 could have good chemistry.

As for who we'd get back. I'd love to have Ryder 1st because of his age, size and scoring. Samsonov is great too but between those 2 guys we need somebody bigger and Ryder fits that bill. J Will alone won't get Ryder so we'd have to pony up a little extra to make that swap. But hey, if they come calling for Lang and his 3.8 mil salary and Ryder is available, i'm all for that.

After Dats, Z and Draper, I could care less who plays center. They could use Willy, Huds, Flip, anybody so long as Ryder is slotted alongside Dats or Z i'm good to go.

[bringback91 2]

If they went for Lang, it'd probably be because of Kovalev. I think those 2 could have good chemistry.

As for who we'd get back. I'd love to have Ryder 1st because of his age, size and scoring. Samsonov is great too but between those 2 guys we need somebody bigger and Ryder fits that bill. J Will alone won't get Ryder so we'd have to pony up a little extra to make that swap.

True on all points, but I'd like to hold onto Lang this year if at all possible. Like you say, the Wings would have to cough up more than I'd want to for Ryder, that's my reasoning for wanting to see Samsonov come to Detroit. (again ) Just because I'm bored at work and I find it fun...........

samsonov-dats-mule

hudler-z-homer

sammy-Lang-kopecky (a little weak in the d zone)

malts-drapes-cleary/norton

pretty sweet IMO.

[WhiteLightning91 105]

Why are you guys so upset about not drafting Latendresse?

Kindl is a better prospect anyway, and it's not like Ryno is much worse of a prospect than Latendresse. Bigger and stronger than Latendresse, with second line scoring potential.

The main reason I am upset we didn't get Latendresse is that he is a big, powerfull winger that was going to be ready to play in the NHL soon after he was drafted. I am not saying that Kindl is a bad prospect. He is a big D-man and we need that. But the thing is that he is a couple years away still from being able to make the team, not because of skill, but because of where he is on the depth chart. As far as Johan goes, I am pretty exccited and anxious to see this kid play. I do not know where you get that he is any stronger than Latendresse. I believe he will turn into our power forward playing wing on Zetterberg's line. (I'm getting giddy just thinking about those 2 playing together ).

Latendresse is a big tough winger, which happens to be the biggest need for this team ever since 2002. Shanny leaving made things even worse. When Latendresse was in the draft, back in 2005,we all knew Shanny was not going to be around with the Wings for many more seasons. I personally thought it was going to be retirement, not FA through which we would lose him. But management should've planned for finding a replacement for Shanahan then and not waited for it to happen. Kopecky is the only big RW/LW in our system who is ready to go, I would like 20 more pounds on him though. Grigorienko is ready to, but I still do not know what my feelings are about him since he has yet to play NA style hockey and is not very tall.

Bottom line: Latendresse would solve our problem for needing a scoring winger better than Williams, Kopecky or Smauelsson this season.

[eva unit zero 271]

The main reason I am upset we didn't get Latendresse is that he is a big, powerfull winger that was going to be ready to play in the NHL soon after he was drafted. I am not saying that Kindl is a bad prospect. He is a big D-man and we need that. But the thing is that he is a couple years away still from being able to make the team, not because of skill, but because of where he is on the depth chart. As far as Johan goes, I am pretty exccited and anxious to see this kid play. I do not know where you get that he is any stronger than Latendresse. I believe he will turn into our power forward playing wing on Zetterberg's line. (I'm getting giddy just thinking about those 2 playing together ).

Latendresse is a big tough winger, which happens to be the biggest need for this team ever since 2002. Shanny leaving made things even worse. When Latendresse was in the draft, back in 2005,we all knew Shanny was not going to be around with the Wings for many more seasons. I personally thought it was going to be retirement, not FA through which we would lose him. But management should've planned for finding a replacement for Shanahan then and not waited for it to happen. Kopecky is the only big RW/LW in our system who is ready to go, I would like 20 more pounds on him though. Grigorienko is ready to, but I still do not know what my feelings are about him since he has yet to play NA style hockey and is not very tall.

Bottom line: Latendresse would solve our problem for needing a scoring winger better than Williams, Kopecky or Smauelsson this season.

Latendresse wil never be as good as Shanny was. Latendresse is the next MARTIN LAPOINTE. Not the next Brendan Shanahan. I know both of those guys were around for the 97 and 98 Cups...but one of them is a Hall of Famer, and the other is just another 16 goal scorer who can hit.

[Seth 0]

Latendresse wil never be as good as Shanny was. Latendresse is the next MARTIN LAPOINTE.

and you know this from all your years of pro scouting?

Because the pros have said (yes for what little it is worth) this dude is supposed to project to be a 2nd/1st liner.

But hey...we're just message board members we don't draw a scouting salary like yourself.

[eva unit zero 271]

and you know this from all your years of pro scouting?

Because the pros have said (yes for what little it is worth) this dude is supposed to project to be a 2nd/1st liner.

But hey...we're just message board members we don't draw a scouting salary like yourself.

Latendresse is projected as a second line physical winger. Which is exactly what Lapointe was/is, and what Ryno and Kopecky are projected as.

Latendresse is not likely to exceed Martin Lapointe's level of play by much. By the same token, it is unlikely at best that both Ryno and Kopecky will make minimal contributions. At least one of them will be a solid player for years to come.

And the thought that Latendresse would obviously solve our need for a scoring winger better than Williams or Samuelsson, when Latendresse has played zero NHL games and the other two are 20 goal scorers? Kopecky I can understand the argument, as Kopecky has yet to get any real NHL experience himself. But the fact remains, Latendresse is still a raw prospect, no matter what you might think he'll be in five or ten years, he's not that NOW.