MacDonald

[sergei_is_still_a_wing 1]

talk about left out to dry.

jesus. NO defense the entire third. they lost any will to score and protect the net. 2 on 1 after 2 on 1. i mean what is the guy supposed to do.

sure it may have been 4-1 if osgood or dom was between the pipes. but them again, do you see them saving a few goals as turning the tide? no friggin way. IMO it is completely unfair to blame macdonald for this one.

they tanked in the third last night too. its just, they had 6 goals then...

first goal: 2 on 1, great save then d doesn't clear and puck is chipped in

second goal: 5 on 3, forsberg shot deflected and then chipped home

third goal: weak, should have had that 99 times of 100, ill give the haters that.

fourth goal: WEAK D by lids, gagne catches him standing around and a perfect shot rings off post and in.

fifth goal: williams skating with umberger but plays no D (mac should have been able to stop it five hole, but it was a tic tac play and a quick one timer)

sixth goal: break away and fedorouk roofs it.

4-1 if mac makes one not so tough save and another one that was pretty tough. But when your team stops skating, you dont have a shot.

Edited February 13, 2007 by sergei_is_still_a_wing

[Guest Crymson]

talk about left out to dry.

jesus. NO defense the entire third. they lost any will to score and protect the net. 2 on 1 after 2 on 1. i mean what is the guy supposed to do.

sure it may have been 4-1 if osgood or dom was between the pipes. but them again, do you see them saving a few goals as turning the tide? no friggin way. IMO it is completely unfair to blame macdonald for this one.

they tanked in the third last night too. its just, they had 6 goals then...

first goal: 2 on 1, great save then d doesn't clear and puck is chipped in

second goal: 5 on 3, forsberg shot deflected and then chipped home

third goal: weak, should have had that 99 times of 100, ill give the haters that.

fourth goal: WEAK D by lids, gagne catches him standing around and a perfect shot rings off post and in.

fifth goal: williams skating with umberger but plays no D (mac should have been able to stop it five hole, but it was a tic tac play and a quick one timer)

sixth goal: break away and fedorouk roofs it.

4-1 if mac makes one not so tough save and another one that was pretty tough. But when your team stops skating, you dont have a shot.

The second goal was not a weak goal. To blame the defense for a 5 on 3 goal is silly.

Etc.

Weak D? Try playing 3 games in 4 days.

[sergei_is_still_a_wing 1]

i did not say the second goal was weak. just trying to defend joey a bit since he was getting thrashed on the board.

3 games in 4 days is harsh. ill give them that.

its safe to say getting dom/ozzie back will give the team a boost.

[Calgary Wings Fan 0]

I wouldn't blame Kipper for Calgary's loss on Sunday and you can hardly blame Joey for the loss last night. Yes he looked shaky at times but the team in front of either of them hardly looked inspired. We looked like the Flames from the night before, no energy, no hussle and losing every puck battle.

[brutus 0]

But, I don't agree with rather seeing Howard (or Liv, for that matter) in net. Howard has played a whole 2 games in GR, after being out for close to a month with a hurt ankle. Liv even got hurt while Howard was out, and we had UHL/ECHL guys as our 1, 2 punch. IMO, Howard is NOT ready for the NHL, and unless he grows alot in the next couple months, I think he should have one more year in GR. As for Liv, I dont even think the wings should re-sign him. He started out horribly, but then after going to ECHL for a little while, has played better here.

Suffer few a couple bad games this year, and give Jimmy his shot when he is ready. Why break his confidence?

I realize what you are saying but I guess I am coming from the position that we have wasted a roster spot for this entire season on this 3rd string goalie and when asked to step up and play he has failed miserably at every opportunity with the exception of the st. louis game...arguably one of the worst teams in the NHL ...(everyone knows philly is not as bad as their record indicates and given decent goaltending they might have been right in the thick of the playoff hunt)

I do think that given our injury situation bringing up a guy from GR who might not be ready is better for a couple of reasons than going with a goalie who has statistically proven he has no place in the NHL. First they are young...getting an opportunity to play at the top level can give them somethign to strive for..a taste of the good life as it were. And secondly, playing a few games here and there and then going back to their comfort zone could be an incredible confidence boost no matter how the game goes....they are both very young and can only benefit from the experience...I dont buy the idea that people say that they will lose their confidence if they are shelled at a young age...in fact i would surmise it is quite the opposite. It could give them some specific points to work on until they are ready...and if they do lose their confidence to such an extent that they are unable to perform in the future then I believe it proves they did or do not have what it takes to begin with and never had a chance to succeed if their confidence is that shaky in the first place....oh well...it doesnt really matter as the wings management must feel that losing macdonald is a bad thing...not sure why... but I believe they might know the game and their players a little better than I do...now given the injury situation in GR...that throws a monkey wrench into the whole situation

So I guess what I am saying is that macdonald is bad...his glove hand is slow and he is suspect positionally, too many rebounds and frankly looks scared out there...his confidence may have been broken but he also knows this is probably his best chance to prove he is NHL worthy and he clearly is not and yes I believe that 7 starts with one of the best defensive teams in the NHL demonstrates that...imagine how bad he would look if he did not have such a strong defence in front of him?

The fact that we have wasted a roster spot him for this season when we could have kept dip-wad norton or another hard-noser in the lineup to use occasionally makes me peeved...we probably could have traded him for a pick or a something before he proved how incapable he is.

brutus

[FinWing 26]

The first goal sums it all up pretty well: not only did our guys give up a shorthanded breakaway, they couldn't even get to the ensuing rebound before another opponent.

But I'm not overly disappointed or surprised, it's understandable that we were a step or two behind. Wins are hard to come by these days against a better-rested team and Philly are playing better lately. Their season was screwed up quite a while ago.

[JeeSpot82 10]

brutus

Thank you, Mr. Brutus. I was wondering if I was alone in wondering why the hell everyone supports Joey MacDonald - he's been nothing but a wasted roster spot all season.

I said it in another thread - the idea of the third goalie on the roster was absolute GENIUS! in training camp - give Dom a break when he's not starting so that there's ZERO chance of him having to come in cold and snap that rubber-band groin of his.

But since Osgood CANNOT stay healthy and Dominik Hasek has been playing back-to-back games anyway, what's the point? He DOES make great saves and only ocassionally drops out of position, but (ya heard it here first folks) he's a BAD goaltender in the NHL. He may have played well enough to earn a win before FEBRUARY, but guess what - he didn't. He's expected to give Dom a break (which hasn't been happening) and take advantage of his opportunities, specifically the ones against the FLYERS (worst team on Earth) and BLUES (pretty damn close to a sure-thing). The fact that he lost both of those games boggles the mind - and the meltdown he saw in the third period of the Flames game doesn't make me feel any better about him mentally.

Don't bother saying trade him - he's a completely worthless comodity on the open market, and I'm all for dropping his ass before the playoffs and having another winger/defenseman slot on stand-by.

[FinWing 26]

Sorry, double post.

Edited February 13, 2007 by FinWing

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Looks can be deceiving.

He might have had an "honest chance" at ALL of them if he had:

a.) Better rebound control and

b.) Better positioning.

He's absolutely horrid in both aspects of the game.

The reason some here credit him with making the odd "spectacular save" is because he's forced to do so, throwing whatever body part he can in front of the puck because he put the rebound in the worst possible spot at the worst possible time, or because he was so far out of position that he had to throw himself into the next area code in order to get back to the spot he SHOULD have been occupying in the first place.

When a goaltender makes a spectacular/desperation save, 9 times out of 10 it's because he's overcompensating for an error he's made.

You're exactly right. As a goalie who played Juinor A that has been yelled in my ear many times. You should post this about Hasek, but you would get killed on this site.

[Outsider 42]

You're exactly right. As a goalie who played Juinor A that has been yelled in my ear many times. You should post this about Hasek, but you would get killed on this site.

Nah.....you're kidding.

On both counts. Right?

[Henkka 0]

I'd just like to see Howard there instead of MacDonald. If Mac is just crap, Jimmy can't be even worse. These games when our 1-2 are injured are the time to drive Jimmy in the NHL. Just get some little experience more. Using MacDonald as 3rd goalie is just a waste of time.

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Nah.....you're kidding.

On both counts. Right?

Both? Whats the other one besides my Hasek statement. If it's questioning the level of hockey I've played I find that insulting.

Edited February 13, 2007 by mannysBETTER3434

[Guest Crymson]

I wouldn't blame Kipper for Calgary's loss on Sunday and you can hardly blame Joey for the loss last night. Yes he looked shaky at times but the team in front of either of them hardly looked inspired. We looked like the Flames from the night before, no energy, no hussle and losing every puck battle.

With good reason--Calgary was exhausted from a tight stretch of games as well.

In the words of Vegetius, "What can a soldier do who charges when out of breath?" In other words, all the heart in the world can't drive a beaten and battered body.

[Outsider 42]

Both? Whats the other one besides my Hasek statement. If it's questioning the level of hockey I've played I find that insulting.

Little on the prickly side, aren't you?

Both counts being:

1.) I should post it about Hasek

2.) I would get "killed on this site" for doing so.

Relax.....

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Little on the prickly side, aren't you?

Both counts being:

1.) I should post it about Hasek

2.) I would get "killed on this site" for doing so.

Relax.....

No I'm okay. I didn't think you meant that. Just making sure

[evilmrt 636]

I'd just like to see Howard there instead of MacDonald. If Mac is just crap, Jimmy can't be even worse. These games when our 1-2 are injured are the time to drive Jimmy in the NHL. Just get some little experience more. Using MacDonald as 3rd goalie is just a waste of time.

Mitä kuulu?

I can't agree with you more. The plan originally was to give Jimmy some time...umm...more time than last season? Howard is young, yes...but he is the type of player that potentially can pull a rabbit out of his butt on nights where the rest of the team isn't playing so well. MacDonald is NOT that at all, so yes, having him around is a waste.

I mean, seriously. Ozzie and Hasek are both out....and we're not using Howard at all? Whats wrong with this picture...

[mannysBETTER3434 1]

Mitä kuulu?

I can't agree with you more. The plan originally was to give Jimmy some time...umm...more time than last season? Howard is young, yes...but he is the type of player that potentially can pull a rabbit out of his butt on nights where the rest of the team isn't playing so well. MacDonald is NOT that at all, so yes, having him around is a waste.

I mean, seriously. Ozzie and Hasek are both out....and we're not using Howard at all? Whats wrong with this picture...

I see your point. The reason probably is Jimmy just came off an injury, and only has 2 games under his belt since coming. Another reason is Mac has worked his butt off, and been great about it all year. I assume they are paying his dues for him, and giving him a solid chance

[elriqo28 2]

Ok. Tonight is the first time I've been able to see this "great goaltender" MacDonald.

Many people on this forum cannot wait until he is the full time Wing's starter.

I can.

Unless you like goalies that could lead the NBA in rebounds, he isn't very good.

This is the 2nd time he's given up 3 goals in the 3rd period.

Stay in the AHL. I don't want to see him in a Wing's uniform.

Edit: Ok, I'm sorry. 4 goals in the 3rd period.

Edit: My bad. 5 goals in the 3rd period.

get your facts straight the first time.....then you are allowed to speak...

[Salviaman 104]

Yeah, well the game of Hockey is a TEAM sport, and as I recall there are 5 other players on the ice besides the goalie so there is plenty of blame to go around. Joey had a bad third period that is all, but he was not the only one out there having one either. Even Captain Lidstrom didnt help out on 2 of those goals, and dont even get me started on freaking Lilja.... that guy I swear, WTF was he doing at the blue line and not by Joey when the 4th or 5th goal was scored, he needs to go. I hope Markov never gets hurt again so Lilja never goes in.

Needless to say though, we are going to have to jump on Hasek's back when he comes back, like we have been doing all season long.

Edited February 14, 2007 by Salviaman

[Outsider 42]

Another reason is Mac has worked his butt off, and been great about it all year. I assume they are paying his dues for him, and giving him a solid chance

You mean kinda like Babs stuck behind "his guy" during the Play Offs last year, even when it was clear that "his guy" wasn't getting the job done, and even when he had another viable, possibly better, option?

You're right. It DOES seem kinda like that, doesn't it?

Babs is pigheaded stubborn. I said it last year, and I'll say it again now.....

Babcock would rather go down in flames than admit that he was wrong, or give the slightest impression that this is anything other than HIS Team, and HE makes the decisions.

[WingsallTheway 383]

macdonald isnt even good enough to play in the AHL

[Flip-check 6]

macdonald isnt even good enough to play in the AHL

Joey Mac is a cougar, sir. He will be forced to take deadly action if you should persist in this course of slanderous action.

Animals simply do not mess around.

[TheLegend19 1]

nowe seriously... MacDonald screw it big time with goal number 4 if I recall correctly (the one between his legs) but other than that he made a couple of big saves.

but to blame him for a loss is as stupid as with Cujo and Flames series back in 2004. it shows utter lack of understanding of the game

I was not blaming him for the loss at all. The team was no help and did not show up in the 3rd period at all.

However, giving up a rebound on every shot is ridiculous.

I understand the game, thanks.

get your facts straight the first time.....then you are allowed to speak...

What facts? I was correct in him giving up 5 goals in one period.

You know what, you panic buttoneers can SHOVE IT. Every Goaltender has a bad game or sometimes a bad stretch, you hammer this rookie like he's a veteran. If I recall, it wasn't that long ago that Hasek gave up 8 goals in a game. Also, does anyone else remember the 1999-2001 Slide of one Chris Osgood? Or how you Panic Buttoneers were hammering Manny Legace so hard when the WHOLE DAMNED TEAM didn't play with much inspiration???

Get over it. It's only 1 Game out of an 82 game season. I am not concerned in the least.

It may be wise to be concerned.

It was only 1 period out of 3, after all.

Oh wait, it was 5 goals.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Hey guys, what happens when Jimmy Howard has his first bad game? Do we deem he sucks and can't be a starter because he has a bad game? Or what happens if Hasek has a bad game? Do we waive him and assign him to Grand Rapids because he has a bad game?

Let it go already. The game is already a week old, and pretty much forgotten about. Why this is STILL being discussed is something I won't understand.