Wings and Coyotes talking trade?

[Rice 42]

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The Coyotes have a scout bird-dogging the Wings, paying close attention to their forwards. It's clear they are weighing trade possibilities.

What do the Coyotes have to offer? It's probably too much to expect them to serve up Shane Doan, their captain and a heart-and-soul guy who would look great in the Wings uniform. It would be foolish to ship Doan out of Phoenix.

But, Doan is in talks with Coyotes brass about a new deal, one that could let him finish his career with the only team he's known. However, if those talks fail the Coyotes would be foolish not to explore options for Doan.

The Coyotes also have Owen Nolan to serve up as a rental. The Wings got a first-hand look at the Nolan on Feb. 7 when the Coyotes played in Detroit.

The Coyotes also could be looking to move Curtis Joseph, Nick Boynton, Kevyn Adams and/or Georges Laraque, according to various media reports.

So let's propose a deal here: If the Wings don't get Forsberg, they could make a play for either Doan or Nolan for a first-round pick and a forward, possibly Valtteri Filppula or Jason Williams.

Hopefully Doan becomes available. I would pass on Nolan but Laraque is appealing.

[GuloGulo 0]

Laraque has NTC, he'd have to agree to it himself.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Doan is the only one that interests me, and I really don't even see that happening. Especially if he really wants to stay in Phoenix.

[Zeta Power 40 1]

I want no one but doan.

Edited February 13, 2007 by Red Wings 516

[Zeke 5]

Laraque has NTC, he'd have to agree to it himself.

I'm so tired of seeing our small skilled forwards being roughed up without any retribution,that I would take him,even if he sits on the bench.

[Mighty Wings 0]

I've heard that Doan's priority is to stay in phx. Whether that ends up happening or not is another story. As of now I'd say there's a 75%-80% chance he won't be traded anywhere.

Edited February 13, 2007 by Mighty Wings

[skacore 2]

I have mixed feelings on Laraque, I really don't think he is the type of guy to protect our smaller guys from dirty plays, Laraque would never go after anyone who is not a top 20 fighter in the league. (Mitchell, Torres, Greene, Drake, etc...) I don't think he is very comfortable instigating either.

Edited February 13, 2007 by SkaRockSteady

[Zeke 5]

I have mixed feelings on Laraque, I really don't think he is the type of guy to protect our smaller guys from dirty plays, Laraque would never go after anyone who is not a top 20 fighter in the league. (Mitchell, Torres, Greene, Drake, etc...) I don't think he is very comfortable instigating either.

He doesn't have to instigate,the fact that he's on the bench will be enough of a deterent to other players.

[skacore 2]

He doesn't have to instigate,the fact that he's on the bench will be enough of a deterent to other players.

How do you figure? I'm sure the entire league is aware that Laraque is a gigantic teddy bear, don't challenge him and he won't touch you, unless he has changed his style in the past few years (before I've been able to watch him a lot), this is the style of "enforcing" he plays, it won't mean jack if he's on the bench IMO

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I have mixed feelings on Laraque, I really don't think he is the type of guy to protect our smaller guys from dirty plays, Laraque would never go after anyone who is not a top 20 fighter in the league. (Mitchell, Torres, Greene, Drake, etc...) I don't think he is very comfortable instigating either.

Thats why your supposed to have at least 2 guys who'll scrap....one guy who handles the heavies (your Boogaard, McGrattan, etc) , and another who handles the middleweights who get out of line ( Mayers, Torres, etc).

Edited February 13, 2007 by Lou_Siffer

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Thats why your supposed to have at least 2 guys who'll scrap....one guy who handles the heavies (your Boogaard, McGrattan, etc) , and another who handles the middleweights who get out of line ( Mayers, Torres, etc).

Yep. And the Wings don't even have a crumb of any of that.

[Draper_Rocks#33 4]

I had a good laugh when i was reading Eklund a little while ago and he had Cujo coming to the wings...haha doesnt this seem like a pretty unbelievble rumor?

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Yep. And the Wings don't even have a crumb of any of that.

Im hoping Fedoruk put on a nice, little audition with that breakaway goal he had, god would he look good in a Wings jersey! Guerin/Fedoruk or Tkachuk/Fedoruk....that would make such a difference i think.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I don't know that the Wings can afford to waste a roster spot on a pure heavyweight, but they do need to replace the team toughness they lost over the years in McCarty, Shanahan, Lapointe, and even the size and occasional fighting of guys like Ward and Fischer.

And of course, the nastiness of someone like Konstantinov.

Have any of those players been replaced with someone comparable in terms of toughness?

(and I realize Shanny and Mac were shadows of their former selves in that regard the last few seasons in Detroit)

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Doan, Nolan, Laraque... bring 'em on, says me.

[skacore 2]

Thats why your supposed to have at least 2 guys who'll scrap....one guy who handles the heavies (your Boogaard, McGrattan, etc) , and another who handles the middleweights who get out of line ( Mayers, Torres, etc).

Not necessarily, IMO that is part of the reason that "enforcers" are becoming useless (or so people say), Probert and McCarty were able to go with anyone in the league, and they weren't hesitant about beating the living s*** out of anyone else in the league who caused the team problems.. there aren't too many players that play that reckless nowadays but Brashear, Boogaard, Barch, Gratton, etc. are all great enforcers in my mind and could handle the job as being the only fighter on a team.. of course it's great to have more than 1 guy who will fight, but I wouldn't say that you NEED to have a HW enforcer and a MW enforcer to keep the other team under control

anyways, back on topic... Laraque wouldn't change a team's mentality when facing the Red Wings

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Im hoping Fedoruk put on a nice, little audition with that breakaway goal he had, god would he look good in a Wings jersey! Guerin/Fedoruk or Tkachuk/Fedoruk....that would make such a difference i think.

Perfect. I'll take the second pair.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I don't know that the Wings can afford to waste a roster spot on a pure heavyweight, but they do need to replace the team toughness they lost over the years in McCarty, Shanahan, Lapointe, and even the size and occasional fighting of guys like Ward and Fischer.

Well right now theyve got Langfeld in there who is an absolute scrub. Anybody could take that spot! But even when the team is completely healthy, if that pure heavy is someone like Fedoruk he definitely is worthy of an everyday spot.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Not necessarily, IMO that is part of the reason that "enforcers" are becoming useless (or so people say), Probert and McCarty were able to go with anyone in the league, and they weren't hesitant about beating the living s*** out of anyone else in the league who caused the team problems.. there aren't too many players that play that reckless nowadays but Brashear, Boogaard, Barch, Gratton, etc. are all great enforcers in my mind and could handle the job as being the only fighter on a team.. of course it's great to have more than 1 guy who will fight, but I wouldn't say that you NEED to have a HW enforcer and a MW enforcer to keep the other team under control

anyways, back on topic... Laraque wouldn't change a team's mentality when facing the Red Wings

Exactly.

Which is why no one guy will solve the problem. But hopefully it will at least be a step in the right direction.

Team toughness is key.

[Calgary Wings Fan 0]

Im hoping Fedoruk put on a nice, little audition with that breakaway goal he had, god would he look good in a Wings jersey! Guerin/Fedoruk or Tkachuk/Fedoruk....that would make such a difference i think.

Agree 100%

Doan is also very appealing, but very unlikely

[skacore 2]

From Phoenix I would welcome:

Shane Doan (I think he's overrated, but we could really use him on the RW)

Nick Boynton (Tough, tough guy, if we had room on D I would love to get him)

Derek Morris (Like Boynton, tough guy, if we had room I'd love him here)

Georges Laraque (For cheap, I'd take him on the 4th line no doubt, but I don't think he is the perfect fit that people seem to think he is)

Owen Nolan (It would be nice to see someone with some balls in a Wing's uniform again)

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Well right now theyve got Langfeld in there who is an absolute scrub. Anybody could take that spot! But even when the team is completely healthy, if that pure heavy is someone like Fedoruk he definitely is worthy of an everyday spot.

True.

I just meant that the ideal is to have a team with several guys who are physical to play against and will drop the gloves when needed.

Someone like Fedoruk would help for the 9 minutes a game he's on the ice, especially in the regular season. But come playoff time I don't see him having much of an impact.

So I feel like the unfortunate reality is this problem can only be addressed in a small way this season.

[Rice 42]

Here's a good quote from IwoCPO (A2Y writer) on team toughness:

So, you want toughness. You want Wunderkind Kenny Holland to deal for it, grow it, acquire it. What’s your definition of “tough”? If you’re one of the people bellowing for it today, enlighten me. Who’s the tough guy you want brought in? What’s the dramatic impact one player is going to have, one tough, gritty player?

Toughness is not a deadline acquisition. Grittiness is an organizational theme that starts with the scouting, continues through minor league philosophies then is realized at the NHL level with a team patterned around that style of play. The Wings fall nowhere in that description.

I agree with him. I think one or two guys at the deadline will help but you cant all of a sudden make a team tough.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

True.

I just meant that the ideal is to have a team with several guys who are physical to play against and will drop the gloves when needed.

Someone like Fedoruk would help for the 9 minutes a game he's on the ice, especially in the regular season. But come playoff time I don't see him having much of an impact.

So I feel like the unfortunate reality is this problem can only be addressed in a small way this season.

I totally agree with the team toughness thing. But at this point in the season theres only time for a quick fix....and adding on a couple guys now is better than going in with nothing. I do know what youre saying though..

Fedoruk i think could take regular shifts (in playoffs as well), one of the few heavies that can. His 13 pts for the year actually puts him ahead of a few Wings. Something like a Franzen - Draper - Fedoruk line would probably work well.

[DatsyukRules 0]

I'm getting sick of all this speculation, we need to just deal a trade for someone now. I dont want to wait anymore.