Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 If they land any of Laraque , Nolan , Doan or Boynton I'd be very happy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I totally agree with the team toughness thing. But at this point in the season theres only time for a quick fix....and adding on a couple guys now is better than going in with nothing. I do know what youre saying though.. Fedoruk i think could take regular shifts (in playoffs as well), one of the few heavies that can. His 13 pts for the year actually puts him ahead of a few Wings. Something like a Franzen - Draper - Fedoruk line would probably work well. Well, Doan and Laraque and Nolan are all upgrades in the grit department but there's another guy in Pxh that I would love to see in a Wings sweater and that's Nick Boynton. Boynton is a pretty tough guy, he can fight and he never hesitates to jump in and start s*** when one of his guys gets rocked. He's done it a ton of times this year alone. Now I know D isn't our weakpoint but if Doan is out of the question why not serve up a swap where we get: Nolan Boynton 4th rounder we give up Williams Meech 2nd rounder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I would actually see if they would take Lilja for Boynton... I would love to get Doan, he is pretty much what we need in a RW... but I have a feeling that he won't be leaving PHX. Now Nolan would be an excellent rental player and if he performs, of course we could always offer him a contract for next season. Laraque would be good, but would having such a big guy like that on our team change our dynamic too much? I don't know, is he slower or is that just me thinking of him being so big that he must also be slow too. Laraque might be a good secondary pickup.... For instance if we can't get Doan or anyone else from PHX, why not get Laraque and then go out and get Tkachuk or Bertuzzi or someone like that... I think that would help us out drastically. Anyway, I'm not sure what PHX would be asking for Laraque or Nolan.... They'd probably want Williams or Hudler and a 1st rounder for Doan though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsgnut_19 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Laraque has NTC, he'd have to agree to it himself. Why wouldn't he? With the decreasing need for a tough guy in the league, his job would very well be guaranteed in Detroit, and would create the room needed on the third or fourth lines to make them more effective. Furthermore, there has been alot of talk about team toughness, and how Detroit won't get it by adding one or two guys at the deadline. I only partially agree. I really don't think we need to dump half the team here, but the physical presence is noticably lakcking. Take out the cheap hits, cross-checks, slashes, etc., and maybe our guys start sticking up for one another and throwing the body around more. How to do that? Add a heavywheight. A guy like Laraque will put a stop to most of the cheap stuff and let the wings develop team toughness. I'm afraid that if we don't aquire someone soon, we could be looking at the loss of some serious talent. Just a thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Honestly, any of the Yotes mentioned would be an improvement over Willy or Lang. But I'm not so sure about Flip. He's got a lot of potential. But if we want a Cup, he may have to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I think they will get at least two players. What's going on with Bootland? Rough year even in the AHL. He has no chance up here. Honestly, any of the Yotes mentioned would be an improvement over Willy or Lang. But I'm not so sure about Flip. He's got a lot of potential. But if we want a Cup, he may have to go. The hell Flip will go. Hes the Red Wings best forward in the rookie/prospect department right now. Williams, Hudler, and even Grigs in comparison to Flip are all way ahead on the shipping list. Why wouldn't he? With the decreasing need for a tough guy in the league, his job would very well be guaranteed in Detroit, and would create the room needed on the third or fourth lines to make them more effective. Furthermore, there has been alot of talk about team toughness, and how Detroit won't get it by adding one or two guys at the deadline. I only partially agree. I really don't think we need to dump half the team here, but the physical presence is noticably lakcking. Take out the cheap hits, cross-checks, slashes, etc., and maybe our guys start sticking up for one another and throwing the body around more. How to do that? Add a heavywheight. A guy like Laraque will put a stop to most of the cheap stuff and let the wings develop team toughness. I'm afraid that if we don't aquire someone soon, we could be looking at the loss of some serious talent. Just a thought. He probably wouldnt because 1) He has another year on his contract after this 2) Hes playing a lot more in Phoenix than he will in Detroit and 3) After leaving Edmonton and going to Phoenix, I doubt hell want to come back to this kinda weather. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Laraque has NTC, he'd have to agree to it himself. Laraque has a one year contract, and given the choice of playing in postseason and not playing in the postseason, I think he'll waive it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I had a good laugh when i was reading Eklund a little while ago and he had Cujo coming to the wings...haha doesnt this seem like a pretty unbelievble rumor? Exactly. Eklund is such an idiot sometimes. He might as well go on and say the Wings have had interest in bringing back Joe Murphy for another go around. As for the trades, big no goes to shipping off Filppula. He has a lot of potential to be a great two-way forward with some good offensive qualities also. I'm going to break the swede barrier and propose trading Samulesson as part of a package for Doan. Even if he is still hurt, theres no rule that forbids injured players to be traded. If all else fails, give 'em Lilja. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsgnut_19 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Rough year even in the AHL. He has no chance up here. The hell Flip will go. Hes the Red Wings best forward in the rookie/prospect department right now. Williams, Hudler, and even Grigs in comparison to Flip are all way ahead on the shipping list. He probably wouldnt because 1) He has another year on his contract after this 2) Hes playing a lot more in Phoenix than he will in Detroit and 3) After leaving Edmonton and going to Phoenix, I doubt hell want to come back to this kinda weather. Okay... lets look at it this way: Phoenix--> a little more ice time, warm weather. Detroit--> playoffs, cup contenders does that not say enough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Just a thought. 1) Agh! I hate that phrase! To me, it means, 'I'm a *****, I'm not gonna back any of this up if it's challenged. I'm talking out of my ass'. But I have nothing but respect for you, winsgnut. 2) I think people are severely underestimating how aware the league is of our team. The fact that Lilja, Williams, and Samuelsson are nothing special is no big secret. Doan is now Phoenix's leading scorer (...right?), and they're going to want to be able to cushion the blow (in the event of him being traded) a little and maintain respectablility with a decent scorer. 3) If you didn't know, Doan's assist man, Nagy, is off to Dallas. You better believe he wants out as his career will really suffer otherwise. 4) Three of our top defensemen are pretty advanced in their years, and we need to keep Meech, Kindl, and Quincey to fill in the spots that will be available in the next few years. Otherwise, we'll have to trade for a defensemen. Who will we trade? Grigorenko, Hudler, Filppula, etc., and then who will take the spot of Lang, Maltby, Draper, etc.? So then we'll have to trade [aquired defeseman] for [lower quality defensman] and [barely NHL calibre 4th liner]. Poof! Our team just moved down a spot in the conference/division. Point is, we should hang on to our defensive prospects. Detroit--> playoffs, cup contenders It's hard to call us cup-contenders: We consistently get knocked off early in the playoffs; Even in the West alone, we are certainly not at te top of the pack (Anaheim, San Jose, Nashville (what happened to hockey? These aren't exactly historical hotbeds of hockey...)); if one defenseman goes down (Lidstrom may be the only defenseman in the lineup to go without an injury this year), we're sunk. In fact, we really don't have the depth in any position that it takes to go all the way. Everything is hinged on Hasek. And he's injured. Although I have all the faith in the word in his groin (in the least *** way possible ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Well, Doan and Laraque and Nolan are all upgrades in the grit department but there's another guy in Pxh that I would love to see in a Wings sweater and that's Nick Boynton. Boynton is a pretty tough guy, he can fight and he never hesitates to jump in and start s*** when one of his guys gets rocked. He's done it a ton of times this year alone. Now I know D isn't our weakpoint but if Doan is out of the question why not serve up a swap where we get: Nolan Boynton 4th rounder we give up Williams Meech 2nd rounder I definitely like Boynton and unlike the vast majority of posters, i do think the Wings need another defenseman. However, unless Boynton isnt playing well i cant see Phoenix just giving him away like that. He would for sure cost something of significance in the prospect category along with that draft pick. Meech i think has no trade value at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Essensa 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) Doan,Nolan,LAROQUE,Joseph would all be good additions.I'd especially love to have laroque,and it would be nice to see Cujo back in a Wings jersey.Let's waive mr.waste of cap space Chris Osgood and swing a deal for Cujo.I'd feel way more comfy with those two players on the team for the playoffs. Edited February 14, 2007 by Bob_Essensa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I'd especially love to have laroque,and it would be nice to see Cujo back in a Wings jersey.Let's waive mr.waste of cap space Chris Osgood and swing a deal for Cujo.I'd feel way more comfy with those two players on the team for the playoffs. Sounds like a solid plan to me. Hasek and Joseph would probably get along great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Essensa 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) Sounds like a solid plan to me. Hasek and Joseph would probably get along great. I don't think Hasek would feel threatened by Cujo's presence in the room this time around.He is the clear cut number one here nowadays.When he came out of retirement this team already had a number one goalie and he wanted the job.I don't think it's unrealistic to ask Cujo to play a backup role here.He's not exactly a top goalie in the league anymore.He's still a hell of a lot better and more realiable than Osgood though,and i'm sure he still wants that elusive first Stanley Cup. Edited February 14, 2007 by Bob_Essensa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I don't think Hasek would feel threatened by Cujo's presence in the room this time around.He is the clear cut number one here.I don't think it's unrealistic to ask Cujo to play a backup role here.He's not exactly a top goalie in the league anymore.He's still a hell of a lot better and more realiable than Osgood though,and i'm sure he still wants that elusive first Stanley Cup. Why would Joseph want to come back to the Wings with the way management treated him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Essensa 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Why would Joseph want to come back to the Wings with the way management treated him? Have a chance at a cup in Detroit,or go golfing with Coyotes 'mates.I think he'd take the cup shot regardless of the past,especialy seeing as he's near the end of his career.That's just my thoughts though. Another thing about having Cujo around,I think it would make Hasek want to play even better,knowing he has a very capable goalie under him who could come in and take over if he falters.Osgood is'nt exactly showing him any of that this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Okay... lets look at it this way: Phoenix--> a little more ice time, warm weather. Detroit--> playoffs, cup contenders does that not say enough? Had warm weather made a difference, Laraque would not have begged to stay in Edmonton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsgnut_19 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 1) Agh! I hate that phrase! To me, it means, 'I'm a *****, I'm not gonna back any of this up if it's challenged. I'm talking out of my ass'. But I have nothing but respect for you, winsgnut. lol... look at the post above yours... the first part of my post was challanged... and i did back it up as for the cup-contenders comment, we'll see what happens before the trade deadline before i say anything else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) Have a chance at a cup in Detroit,or go golfing with Coyotes 'mates.I think he'd take the cup shot regardless of the past,especialy seeing as he's near the end of his career.That's just my thoughts though. Another thing about having Cujo around,I think it would make Hasek want to play even better,knowing he has a very capable goalie under him who could come in and take over if he falters.Osgood is'nt exactly showing him any of that this season. In order to get Cujo, we'd need to lose even more prospects. Why, pray tell, should we do so in order to pick up a spotty goalie and create a goaltending tandem who hate each other? Man, think of the fits Joseph would throw. WOW. Indeed, why would Hasek play any less hard in the playoffs for any reason? We're not part of the Red Army here-- we don't need to threaten somebody with career death in order to get them to take the field. Edited February 14, 2007 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I don't know that the Wings can afford to waste a roster spot on a pure heavyweight, but they do need to replace the team toughness they lost over the years in McCarty, Shanahan, Lapointe, and even the size and occasional fighting of guys like Ward and Fischer. And of course, the nastiness of someone like Konstantinov. Have any of those players been replaced with someone comparable in terms of toughness? (and I realize Shanny and Mac were shadows of their former selves in that regard the last few seasons in Detroit) Agree. Markov ain't chopped liver and seems to be the only guy willing to do anything (besides Schneider's yapping), so I would definitely consider him as one of the replacements. But yes, a power-forward plus a definite fighter (like Lapointe) would go a long way. Any combo of the names being talked about would be great, some more expensive than others (Forsberg, Tkachuk, Guerin, Bert, LaPointe, Fedoruk, Doan (if possible), or hell I'd even take Nolan at this point!) Cheers! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Furthermore, there has been alot of talk about team toughness, and how Detroit won't get it by adding one or two guys at the deadline. I only partially agree. I really don't think we need to dump half the team here, but the physical presence is noticably lakcking. Take out the cheap hits, cross-checks, slashes, etc., and maybe our guys start sticking up for one another and throwing the body around more. How to do that? Add a heavywheight. A guy like Laraque will put a stop to most of the cheap stuff and let the wings develop team toughness. I agree, one guy can be the catalyst that starts the ball rolling. Just build on it like momentum. Also, it doesn't have to necessarily be a heavyweight, someone like LaPointe would be enough, but Fedoruk would probably be cheaper. Cheers! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Agree. Markov ain't chopped liver and seems to be the only guy willing to do anything (besides Schneider's yapping), so I would definitely consider him as one of the replacements. But yes, a power-forward plus a definite fighter (like Lapointe) would go a long way. Any combo of the names being talked about would be great, some more expensive than others (Forsberg, Tkachuk, Guerin, Bert, LaPointe, Fedoruk, Doan (if possible), or hell I'd even take Nolan at this point!) Cheers! esteef I disagree with you on Lapointe-- we can find a fighter for FAR cheaper than the $2.5m per year Lapointe commands. Also, I don't feel he's any longer a power forward; he doesn't really score much anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Rough year even in the AHL. He has no chance up here. That's to bad. Bootland could have been a crowd favorite in Hockeytown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Essensa 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 (edited) In order to get Cujo, we'd need to lose even more prospects. Why, pray tell, should we do so in order to pick up a spotty goalie and create a goaltending tandem who hate each other? Man, think of the fits Joseph would throw. WOW. Indeed, why would Hasek play any less hard in the playoffs for any reason? We're not part of the Red Army here-- we don't need to threaten somebody with career death in order to get them to take the field. Maybe i'd just like to have the last goalie who actually showed up in the playoffs for us back in the fold.I realize we'd have to give up prospects.I did'nt say it was the best idea to get him in that regard.It would just be nice to have him back.As for Cujo and Dom hating each other..I don't know if that's really true.I think it was mostly Hasek feeling his job was threatened by having another top goalie in the league on the same team as him(after he'd been gone a year and Cujo was clearly the starter.I still think it was a bad move by management to pick up Hasek's option.Caused alot of uneed chaos),so he threw fits and got management to waive Joseph.I've never heard anything about Cujo having any problem with being on a team with Dom.As I posted above,I think it would be different now.Dom is number 1 here.Anyone coming in is going to be his backup automatically.Why would Cujo throw fits because he would have a chance at another cup?? You totally missed my point on that last comment.I was saying by bringing a guy like Cujo in here,it would make Dom play better,as not to lose his job as the number 1 goalie,because he'd know Cujo would be right there to take it if he faltered.Osgood is'nt exactly breathing down his neck for the starting job right now,so he may not play as hard as he really can.Just kinda nonchalant,ya know? Edited February 14, 2007 by Bob_Essensa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I hope we don't get Nolan. How would he help? We need someone who can physically scare people. If we get Tkachuk or Lapoite, I'm happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
