Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 21, 2007 With all of that said, I'd rather we don't make a major move at all. If Bertuzzi, Tkachuk, and Guerin are only around for for rental and don't stick around, then I don't want to see Filppula, Hudler, or Grigorenko and a 1st traded for any of them. And if the Lapointe rumor doesn't make any sense, then I say stick with what we have. Agreed. I think that, fortunately (for our mental health here), most people on these forums are aware that our team is quite good as is. If we get Sammy back, I think we'll be in great shape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Agreed. I think that, fortunately (for our mental health here), most people on these forums are aware that our team is quite good as is. If we get Sammy back, I think we'll be in great shape. That's a theory that will be put to a very rigorous test if the deadline passes without any action, I'm afraid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Sigh. That $25m free assumes that we won't sign ANY of our UFAs, including Datsyuk and Schneider. Try again. In any case, last I checked having extra money didn't warrant relaxing regulations on not spending stupidly. Besides, you'll be bitching and moaning come the postseason when that cap space is full and we have better people we could have signed. Don't be so shortsighted. No s*** Sherlock! I still think there's enough to fit Lapointe's salary in there. If not, screw Schneider. He's not needed anymore. Not as much as I will be bitching when Detroit gets smacked around for the fourth straight post season and nobody cares to even lift a finger about it. Trust me, I'll ***** about Detroit being ******* day and night! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) No s*** Sherlock! I still think there's enough to fit Lapointe's salary in there. If not, screw Schneider. He's not needed anymore. Not as much as I will be bitching when Detroit gets smacked around for the fourth straight post season and nobody cares to even lift a finger about it. Trust me, I'll ***** about Detroit being ******* day and night! Schneider has 9 goals and 28 assists this season with a plus/minus of 11 and is very useful on the PP with his slapshot. Marty has 11 goals and 6 assists and has played in 12 more games than Matt. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind Marty, but I don't see how you want to get rid of someone who is more productive offensively and is more skilled defensively. I guess I can see age, but Marty isn't a young buck either Edited February 21, 2007 by Mudvayneowns91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Schneider has 9 goals and 28 assists this season with a plus/minus of 11 and is very useful on the PP with his slapshot. Marty has 11 goals and 6 assists and has played in 12 more games than Matt. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind Marty, but I don't see how you want to get rid of someone who is more productive offensively and is more skilled defensively. I guess I can see age, but Marty isn't a young buck either Because Schneider can easily be replaced by Kronwall and Lapointe adds an element Detroit currently lack. Also, Kindl will be ready for third pairing duty next season and Schneider isn't that skilled defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 That's true. We can save ourselves some money (and cut back on defensive zone gaffes) by letting Schneider walk this summer and giving that extra time to Kronwall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Kronwall: underwhelming. Am I the only one? If you look at my posts, I am definitely not a basher, and yes, they piss me off too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 No, he has been. But given that this is basically his first full season in the league, he hasn't looked that bad (and during one stretch actually looked pretty good). I appreciate everything Schneider brings to the team, but at the end of the day he's getting up there, isn't too great defensively, and is taking time away from the next generation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brutus 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Kronwall: underwhelming. Am I the only one? If you look at my posts, I am definitely not a basher, and yes, they piss me off too. You are spot on....no way I would let Schneider walk...he is a very good D-man despite all the haters here. Keep Kronwall for what he does, playing the physical game, but I HIGHLY doubt he will turn into the offensive force that Schenider is. brutus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 You are spot on....no way I would let Schneider walk...he is a very good D-man despite all the haters here. Keep Kronwall for what he does, playing the physical game, but I HIGHLY doubt he will turn into the offensive force that Schenider is. brutus He won't unless he is given more responsibility. It's no coincidence Kronwall started to produce when Schneider went down. Stop kidding yourselves, Schneider isn't irreplaceable by any means! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Curban915 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 I know everyone hear hates this guy but EK is reporting that smyth to Det (e)4 and souray to Det (e)2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Well, I didn't say jack about wanting Schneider back. To be honest, I haven't gotten to see enough Wings games this year to make a good decision, and if it were between him and an equally priced bruiser (that could move, I'm not talking Hatcher), I'd take the bruiser. I'll just ask this one more time, then I'll drop it: Does anyone know why Modin didn't play for the Jackets last night? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Why would he do that to me? e4...I know he's full of s***...but come on. Come on! BTW, about Shneids, we all know that Holland will give an aging player one year contracts til they retire or decease. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) These things must go in context: Foote plays for Columbus. Columbus's players` total +/- is -131, one of the worst in the league. Rob Blake and Matthias Norstrom play for Los Angeles. Los Angeles's player total +/- is -152, the worst in the league. Ovechkin plays for Washington. That team's total +/- is -94. Bad. Souray is glaringly hideous on defense. Everybody knows that and nobody disputes it. Hence his +/-. Tucker? As I recall, the Leafs started the season pretty slow. He got injured before they got on track Lapointe? He's DEAD LAST in +/- on a team that's only a total -33 amongst players. He also has only 17 points--most certainly NOT a good scorer. 17 points vs a -15? No thanks. As for Meyers, I don't know much about him at all. Cheechoo? I haven't a clue why his +/- is bad; however, keep in mind that the Sharks' total is -25. Keep in mind that Souray scores a tremendous amount, Cheechoo scores a tremendous amount, and Tucker has scored a very significant amount as well. Of course, so has Ovechkin. Correct. They must be taken in context. So simply looking at a player's +/- doesn't accurately depict the type of player they are or what other factors can contribute to that stat. That list of players (and there are a lot more past -14 I just didn't feel like listing them all) just shows that anyone can have an inflated +/- and still be considered a good player. Looking at the numbers doesn't tell the whole story. Furthermore, I really couldn't care less if Marty comes here and doesn't score one goal. As long as he takes care of the rough stuff, that's all we really are expecting out of him. If he chips in a goal here and there, all the better. The other scoring winger, like Bert or Guerin, will have more pressure to come up with goals than Marty. esteef * edited for speliing. Edited February 21, 2007 by esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nutz2u Report post Posted February 21, 2007 The element that Lapointe adds to the Wings is horrible penalties. I will never forget his performance in the 2001 playoffs against the Kings. I threw a big beer party when he left. If Holland brings him back he is a hell of a lot dumber than I ever thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Why would he do that to me? e4...I know he's full of s***...but come on. Come on! BTW, about Shneids, we all know that Holland will give an aging player one year contracts til they retire or decease. Can we put a moratorium on dumb ass comments like this? I'm not attacking you personally HRW, I am just tired of reading this constantly. Proposed Rule: Don't say it, if you're comment hating Holland/Red Wing player has been stated 100+ times in the past 2 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 I know everyone hear hates this guy but EK is reporting that smyth to Det (e)4 and souray to Det (e)2 If it's Eklund, then I don't believe a word of it! Sometimes I really wish Eklund did have more credability than the writing on the bathroom wall because his "rumors" have actually been players that I really want to come to the Wings (ala Ryan Smyth). But I just can't believe anything Eklund says. His Zherdev to Montreal rumor, which he kept at for about a month, was too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Because Schneider can easily be replaced by Kronwall and Lapointe adds an element Detroit currently lack. Also, Kindl will be ready for third pairing duty next season and Schneider isn't that skilled defensively. I think your comment about Schneider and Kronwall is somewhat unrealistic. Kronwall has shown no signs that he will develop into one of the offensive defensemen in the league next year. He is not yet of Schneider's mold in that area--not even close. I'm sorry to say it, but he at the moment he also makes just as many mistakes as Schneider does. How, indeed, could Kronwall "easily" replace Schneider then? Also, do not forget that Schneider IS one of our hitters right now, though that might not be saying much. Edited February 21, 2007 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Can we put a moratorium on dumb ass comments like this? I'm not attacking you personally HRW, I am just tired of reading this constantly. Proposed Rule: Don't say it, if you're comment hating Holland/Red Wing player has been stated 100+ times in the past 2 months. Nowhere did I say anything about hating Holland. Get off your high horse. I was just stating a historical fact. I'm as tired as anyone of the Holland comments. It appears you may have been the one to make a "dumb ass comment" since you had no clue of the context of my post. Edited February 21, 2007 by Hockeytown Red Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 21, 2007 He won't unless he is given more responsibility. It's no coincidence Kronwall started to produce when Schneider went down. Stop kidding yourselves, Schneider isn't irreplaceable by any means! Kronwall has one goal and 16 assists this year in 51 games. Schneider has nine and 29 in 47. Tell me how Kronwall started producing, please, when his number of goals is below league average. You've seen him on the power play. He is hideous. He doesn't have a good shot, and he lacks the sense to know when to move forward from the blue line. If it's Eklund, then I don't believe a word of it! Sometimes I really wish Eklund did have more credability than the writing on the bathroom wall because his "rumors" have actually been players that I really want to come to the Wings (ala Ryan Smyth). But I just can't believe anything Eklund says. His Zherdev to Montreal rumor, which he kept at for about a month, was too much. Eklund is a douchebag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 I'm must admit there have been fewer rumors let alone actual trades being made so far... are we in for a flurry this weekend? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 Can we put a moratorium on dumb ass comments like this? I'm not attacking you personally HRW, I am just tired of reading this constantly. Proposed Rule: Don't say it, if you're comment hating Holland/Red Wing player has been stated 100+ times in the past 2 months. Yeah thats great. Lets limit peoples freedom of speech on a forum designed specifically for people to voice their opinion. Put up with it and get over it. I, myself, am so sick of people painting Schneider to be some hockey god just because he puts up points. He put up 8 points in the playoffs last year yet he was the worst guy defensively behind ONLY Lilja. The only time Schneider shines is when hes on the point. Hes old, injury prone, and lets guys walk right up to the net uncontested. Im sick of Schneider thinking he can get away with subpar play in his own end just because hes an "offensive defenseman" I'm must admit there have been fewer rumors let alone actual trades being made so far... are we in for a flurry this weekend? On Spectors they say that Tkachuk and Guerin may have played their last games. The Blues are apparently in heavy trade talks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 I think your comment about Schneider and Kronwall is somewhat unrealistic. Kronwall has shown no signs that he will develop into one of the offensive defensemen in the league next year. He is not yet of Schneider's mold in that area--not even close. I'm sorry to say it, but he at the moment he also makes just as many mistakes as Schneider does. How, indeed, could Kronwall "easily" replace Schneider then? Also, do not forget that Schneider IS one of our hitters right now, though that might not be saying much. So what you're looking for is a guarantee? That's going to be tough. I don't think Kronwall needs to be of Schneider's mold to replace him. There are other defensemen capable of helping out as well. Nobody "replaced" Shanahan, and it worked out pretty well anyway. Good enough to challenge Nashville for the division title. The Red Wings need to get younger on defense or they'll be in great trouble a year or two from now. Kronwall has one goal and 16 assists this year in 51 games. Schneider has nine and 29 in 47. Tell me how Kronwall started producing, please, when his number of goals is below league average. You've seen him on the power play. He is hideous. He doesn't have a good shot, and he lacks the sense to know when to move forward from the blue line.In case you didn't notice, Kronwall had 4 assists in a 5 game span, when Schneider was out. Kronwall is a very capable defenseman, but he currently lacks self-confidence. More ice time will take care of that. I don't want to see another young defenseman go down the drain simply because Detroit is unwilling to let go of their veterans. Schneider is extremely expendable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brutus 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) So what you're looking for is a guarantee? That's going to be tough. I don't think Kronwall needs to be of Schneider's mold to replace him. There are other defensemen capable of helping out as well. Nobody "replaced" Shanahan, and it worked out pretty well anyway. Good enough to challenge Nashville for the division title. The Red Wings need to get younger on defense or they'll be in great trouble a year or two from now. In case you didn't notice, Kronwall had 4 assists in a 5 game span, when Schneider was out. Kronwall is a very capable defenseman, but he currently lacks self-confidence. More ice time will take care of that. I don't want to see another young defenseman go down the drain simply because Detroit is unwilling to let go of their veterans. Schneider is extremely expendable. All I have to say, based on this and many of your previous posts, is THANK GOD you don't run the Red Wings! I would hate to think where we would be. brutus Edited February 21, 2007 by brutus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted February 21, 2007 All I have to say, based on this and many of your previous posts, is THANK GOD you don't run the Red Wings! I would hate to think where we would be. brutus Et tu Brutus. I'm sure you'd do a much better job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
