Stevie Y 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 just a quick question for those who were lucky enough to watch yzerman playing in the play offs during the late 80s and the early 90s. (I wasn't that lucky since NHL games weren't really broadcasted here in europe) I always read how yzerman played the best when it mattered the most. I can see from his stats he scored plenty of points during the play offs yet he is a career +/- minus (comparison: sakic / forsberg are both +/- plus in their play off career). actually in only 6 of his 20 play off years he finished with a +/- plus. does anyone have an idea why? thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan40 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Strange..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Weren't the Wings quite sloppy defensively back then and mostly relied on their offense? Stevie was mainly an offensive force and not the solid two-way player and Selke winner that he would later become. In the speech he gave in Stevie's retirement ceremony, Scotty said that when he came to Detroit in '93, he saw that the team was very talented offensively but wasn't able to win in the playoffs. He started to advocate better defensive game and made Steve among others a better all-around player. That's probably the best guess I have regarding these stats. I don't really have a recollection from those times since I only became a fan in the 93-94 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Weren't the Wings quite sloppy defensively back then and mostly relied on their offense? Stevie was mainly an offensive force and not the solid two-way player and Selke winner that he would later become. In the speech he gave in Stevie's retirement ceremony, Scotty said that when he came to Detroit in '93, he saw that the team was very talented offensively but wasn't able to win in the playoffs. He started to advocate better defensive game and made Steve among others a better all-around player. That's probably the best guess I have regarding these stats. I don't really have a recollection from those times since I only became a fan in the 93-94 season. i wasn't around to see him early in his career, but i've read that stevie was always responsible defensively. i think he even got one or two first place votes for the selke back in '89, his 155 point year. i think the reason his playoff +/- isn't on the positive side is because of how bad the team was when he first came to detroit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 i wasn't around to see him early in his career, but i've read that stevie was always responsible defensively. i think he even got one or two first place votes for the selke back in '89, his 155 point year. i think the reason his playoff +/- isn't on the positive side is because of how bad the team was when he first came to detroit. Yeah, Stevie has always been good defensively but he only got better under Scotty. I just think that not everyone on the team was as committed to defense as the players today. But as I said, I don't really know for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 25, 2007 just a quick question for those who were lucky enough to watch yzerman playing in the play offs during the late 80s and the early 90s. (I wasn't that lucky since NHL games weren't really broadcasted here in europe) I always read how yzerman played the best when it mattered the most. I can see from his stats he scored plenty of points during the play offs yet he is a career +/- minus (comparison: sakic / forsberg are both +/- plus in their play off career). actually in only 6 of his 20 play off years he finished with a +/- plus. does anyone have an idea why? thanks Because the Wings lost in the playoffs MANY times, especially in the first round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevie Y 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Because the Wings lost in the playoffs MANY times, especially in the first round. 1983-1984 Red Wings 4 3 3 6 1 0 1 0 1 0 0.0 1984-1985 Red Wings 3 2 1 3 -5 2 1 0 0 0 0.0 1986-1987 Red Wings 16 5 13 18 -2 8 1 0 0 0 0.0 1987-1988 Red Wings 3 1 3 4 -3 6 0 0 0 12 8.3 1988-1989 Red Wings 6 5 5 10 -7 2 2 0 0 35 14.3 1990-1991 Red Wings 7 3 3 6 -1 4 1 0 0 27 11.1 1991-1992 Red Wings 11 3 5 8 -3 12 0 1 1 48 6.3 1992-1993 Red Wings 7 4 3 7 -4 4 1 1 1 24 16.7 1993-1994 Red Wings 3 1 3 4 4 0 0 0 0 8 12.5 1994-1995 Red Wings 15 4 8 12 -2 0 2 0 1 37 10.8 1995-1996 Red Wings 18 8 12 20 -1 4 4 0 1 52 15.4 1996-1997 Red Wings 20 7 6 13 3 4 3 0 2 65 10.8 1997-1998 Red Wings 22 6 18 24 10 22 3 1 0 65 9.2 1998-1999 Red Wings 10 9 4 13 2 0 4 0 2 41 22.0 1999-2000 Red Wings 8 0 4 4 -4 0 0 0 0 20 0.0 2000-2001 Red Wings 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 2001-2002 Red Wings 23 6 17 23 4 10 4 0 2 52 11.5 2002-2003 Red Wings 4 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 0 10 0.0 2003-2004 Red Wings 11 3 2 5 -1 0 0 0 1 18 16.7 2005-2006 Red Wings 4 0 4 4 -2 4 0 0 0 10 0.0 however in 1987 the wings played 16 games, in 1992 11 games, in 1995 15 games and in 1996 18 games and stevie always finished with a minues in those seasons. Also, your team can lose in the first round and you can still have a positive +/- if your line scores goal and the other 3 lines play sloppy. just seems very strange to me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Forsberg and Sakic played in waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy fewer playoffs then Yzerman , +/- means nothing , never has and never will. Strange all hte same , but they werent always the best playoff team see 06/07 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheLegend19 1 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 I can count 3 rings on his fingers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaKineMaui 8 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 (edited) I am ancient by LGW standards. Watched his entire career - rooted for him even when I was a Leafs fan. Regular season or playoffs, skating on one leg or two, 1984 or 1994 or 2004 - if Stevie was on the ice it counts as a PLUS. Maybe 2 pluses. I would never pay too much attention to that +/- stat thingy. aloha p.s. of course if Stevie were a +300 in the playoffs I would say that ALL players should be judged by their playoff +/- rating and nothing else. EDIT - browser went whack upon hitting submit. Edited February 25, 2007 by DaKineMaui Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevie Y 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 I can count 3 rings on his fingers. I know , don't get me wrong. I always thought steve played outstanding when i saw him play. i just think its strange that his +/- is soo low. but then again +/- might not be really reliable stat to judge a player's performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevie for president 42 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Tim Cheveldae was his goalie for a few of those playoffs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Yzerman was a minus many years because he continually played against the other team's top line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tunbo Batman Report post Posted February 25, 2007 yet lids is +42 playing 30 minutes a night against the elite....go figure lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevie Y 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 lids is + 27 for career play offs and fedorov is + 38.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUltimateWingsFan 1 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Actually, not to burst anyone's bubble, but for a long time Yzerman had the reputation for being a great regular season player who didn't play to his potential in the playoffs. It wasn't till Scotty came on board that the Wings started having playoff success, and Yzerman started to rise to the occasion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted February 26, 2007 Forsberg and Sakic played in waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy fewer playoffs then Yzerman , +/- means nothing , never has and never will. Strange all hte same , but they werent always the best playoff team see 06/07 I am not sure if I would say that Sakic played in waaaaaaaaayyyyy fewer games. He's played in 162 games, which is significant. Yzerman played in 34 more games, or 196 games. For the record, Sakic has 12 more goals and only 7 fewer pts. He has the far better offensive stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elriqo28 2 Report post Posted February 26, 2007 just a quick question for those who were lucky enough to watch yzerman playing in the play offs during the late 80s and the early 90s. (I wasn't that lucky since NHL games weren't really broadcasted here in europe) I always read how yzerman played the best when it mattered the most. I can see from his stats he scored plenty of points during the play offs yet he is a career +/- minus (comparison: sakic / forsberg are both +/- plus in their play off career). actually in only 6 of his 20 play off years he finished with a +/- plus. does anyone have an idea why? thanks because the wings didnt become a defensive minded team until scotty bowman came in! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
