Fedorov

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

You keep going on about how Federov was a whiner when he was here. Please produce some evidence of this fact. I'd even settle for an accurate example that's well documented. If he's as big a whiner as you say, this won't be a problem for you. Of course maybe you meant "winner"; that would be more accurate.

As for the people that are screaming "why do you care if we boo." How about this, your classlessness reflects on all Wings fans. I live in Columbus; the hockey fans here are a step below Nashville fans, and even they know what little class we have for booing Federov.

I'm from Ohio too. I don't know if Ohioans are really a good benchmark for class. I've been too almost every Wings/Jackets game at Nationwide. People there boo. They get piss drunk and are lewd and obnoxious assholes. They boo somebody like Chelios, probably the greatest American player ever and for what? What did Chelios ever do to Columbus? As far as i'm concerned you cheer for the good guys and you boo the bad guys. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that no matter how many folks want to dissect why there is booing and if its morally right.

f*** all that. He's a Blue Jacket. To all those who boo (I don't boo as i'm too lazy) boo until your can't boo anymore. Tis your God given right to boo the hell out of any player you wish. To those that think the booing is stupid. Yup, probably is but what's even more stupid is retreading the same ground day after day when you know you can't change the outcome. You can't make people not boo and to any person in Columbus or anywhere else who thinks poorly of Wings fans because they boo Fedorov ought to shut the f*** up and worry about their own sorry ass club. Until the day comes when people don't boo anymore, period, then I don't give a flying f*** if people boo Fedorov or not.

[Offsides 21]

I only have one thing to say...not about the booing, but about the people who say, 'Get over it'

If it happened once when he first came back, and we kept making threads and talking about it, and saying...'remember that ONE time...'

But it happens every time he is here. So, everytime he is here it is brought up anew.

You might as well say, "Get over NOT winning The Stanley Cup every year", "Get over losing in the first round for the last few years" "Get over bashing our players every 4 seconds, they still suck the same amount as they did last week"

Pretty much 2/3 of the threads are the same thing over and over, and it bothers people that people boo Sergei and they aren't just going to 'Get over it' But how about this...why don't you guys 'Get over' having to post in these threads to tell people to 'Get over it'

Practice what you preach. You are doing Fedorov fans no favors by trying to give them free psychiatric help.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

What doesn't make sense here is just about everyone who is a proponet of the booing keeps saying get over it. When in fact, they are the ones who need to get over it. I can understand Cheli getting booed in Vancouver, or Betruzzi in Colorado. However, other than leaving Detroit for LESS money to play elsewhere, Fedorov did nothing to deserve the boos. Yes, it is your right to boo him at the Joe, or where ever else you may pay to see him play. But it just goes to show how stupid and classless you are.

[HockeytownRN 0]

I attended the game last Tuesday, and asked EVERY person around me who started booing Sergei why they were doing it. They would just say, "Because he left". I asked if they watched the Wings at all in the 90's, and MOST said NO! They stopped booing shortly thereafter.

I know the people on this board are serious HOCKEY fans, and most of you remember the two way player Sergei was (heart or not, he gave me thrills with his puck handling). Even after the game at the bar my friend and I went to, I got into the "Booing Sergei" discussions. These people had no recollection of watching Sergei play hockey, nor did they even know how he defected from the Red Army to come to play hockey in Detroit.

I think people need to get over it also, but after talking to people last Tuesday I now know that most who boo Sergei have absolutely no idea why they are doing it.

Edited April 6, 2007 by HockeytownRN

[Kp-Wings 3]

I have a question: Why is this always the pinnacle discussion around here?

You're not going to stop people from booing him. It's just a fact. Fedorov will be booed by at least someone until he either returns to the Wings or retires. Until one of those two things happen, he will be booed.

[Stevie Y Forever 0]

"It wasn't the money, Detroit offered him more money, or at least a comparable deal. He left because he was tired of the ridicule from fan like the ones who boo him now."

"Fedorov was loved by the fans. If nothing else, the booing proves that."

You contradict yourself.

[Flip-check 6]

You're not going to stop people from booing him. It's just a fact. Fedorov will be booed by at least someone until he either returns to the Wings or retires. Until one of those two things happen, he will be booed.

I think everyone knows this. Just because they can't -stop- it however, doesn't mean they will cease to find it objectionable.

How many times do we hear people say, "Yeah, your boss is an *******, but you know... stupid people are out there, just get over it. No, they make a fuss about it, because it's not right. The same really applies here: there are an arena-full of Red Wing fans who act like assholes, every single game Columbus comes to town. And that's a lot of assholes.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I think everyone knows this. Just because they can't -stop- it however, doesn't mean they will cease to find it objectionable.

How many times do we hear people say, "Yeah, your boss is an *******, but you know... stupid people are out there, just get over it. No, they make a fuss about it, because it's not right. The same really applies here: there are an arena-full of Red Wing fans who act like assholes, every single game Columbus comes to town. And that's a lot of assholes.

Don't you find it annoying that this same situation is always brought up though? We might as well bring in some Williams and Lilja for Ryan Smyth trade topics in here while we're at it.

[scotzman 29]

I attended the game last Tuesday, and asked EVERY person around me who started booing Sergei why they were doing it. They would just say, "Because he left". I asked if they watched the Wings at all in the 90's, and MOST said NO! They stopped booing shortly thereafter.

I know the people on this board are serious HOCKEY fans, and most of you remember the two way player Sergei was (heart or not, he gave me thrills with his puck handling). Even after the game at the bar my friend and I went to, I got into the "Booing Sergei" discussions. These people had no recollection of watching Sergei play hockey, nor did they even know how he defected from the Red Army to come to play hockey in Detroit.

I think people need to get over it also, but after talking to people last Tuesday I now know that most who boo Sergei have absolutely no idea why they are doing it.

First off, I am amazed that you actually asked people at the game why they were booing Sergei... Did you ask them because you actually cared or were you the thought police of Joe Louis Arena? If that sounds confrontational, I'm sorry. Just kind of wondering what the intent of your questioning was...

Secondly, I went to my first Wings game when I was 4 years old, back in 1976 and followed them ever since... so therefore, I was there during the '90's and enjoyed the amazing plays of Sergei Fedorov. But I mention again, part of the reason he is not beloved by everyone in these forums is because he was a whiner and a selfish player at times. If you were a serious hockey fan of the Wings for any amount of time, you will also remember that.

The bottom line is, some people blindly love Sergei and some don't. To me it feels like when someone talks smack about someone you love. While it may be true, you are in love with them and can't see what other people choose to see. Those who hold Feds up on a pedestal will never see eye to eye with those who decide to boo him. Nor will the boo-ers see your side, so why can't we just allow people to boo if they want to.

[HockeytownRN 0]

Don't you find it annoying that this same situation is always brought up though? We might as well bring in some Williams and Lilja for Ryan Smyth trade topics in here while we're at it.

I know there have been a kajillion threads about Fedorov, yet here I am reading through four pages again. Can't explain why, I guess I am interested in seeing why people boo the guy.

Seriously, has ANY ex-Wing ever been booed before? I can't recall any. It just doesn't seem right in Hockeytown.

First off, I am amazed that you actually asked people at the game why they were booing Sergei... Did you ask them because you actually cared or were you the thought police of Joe Louis Arena? If that sounds confrontational, I'm sorry. Just kind of wondering what the intent of your questioning was...

Secondly, I went to my first Wings game when I was 4 years old, back in 1976 and followed them ever since... so therefore, I was there during the '90's and enjoyed the amazing plays of Sergei Fedorov. But I mention again, part of the reason he is not beloved by everyone in these forums is because he was a whiner and a selfish player at times. If you were a serious hockey fan of the Wings for any amount of time, you will also remember that.

The bottom line is, some people blindly love Sergei and some don't. To me it feels like when someone talks smack about someone you love. While it may be true, you are in love with them and can't see what other people choose to see. Those who hold Feds up on a pedestal will never see eye to eye with those who decide to boo him. Nor will the boo-ers see your side, so why can't we just allow people to boo if they want to.

I knew this would happen, especially since it is the first time I have ever replied in one of these discussions. I have every right to ask people why they boo him. I paid 85.00 to sit in the third row, along with my best friend who drove from North Carolina to see the game. It pisses me off when people boo. I don't tell them not to, and I won't tell you or anyone else in this discussion not to. I have every right to ask why they do it though. As I said, they don't even friggen know why. I am not in "Love" with Sergei thank you. Just because I am a female it doesn't mean I am a puck bunny. I am Canadian, I have watched hockey since I could hold my own bottle. If I saw ONE good reason why people should boo, I'd be done with this conversation but I haven't seen one yet.

[Flip-check 6]

Don't you find it annoying that this same situation is always brought up though?

No. It doesn't. Why should I? If it's something that's wrong, why should it be bad to take issue with it? I've never been the type of person to "roll over" when I see something that's questionable and stupid, because it's not "a bother" for me to stick up for the truth--and neither is it some duty here, because let's face it, this is hockey.

This is open stupidity on the part of fans though, which is why I don't believe in turning my head away. If it's dumb, it deserves to be critiqued, like all things. Because it's just like HockeytownRN said:

"If I saw ONE good reason why people should boo, I'd be done with this conversation but I haven't seen one yet."

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

First off, I am amazed that you actually asked people at the game why they were booing Sergei... Did you ask them because you actually cared or were you the thought police of Joe Louis Arena? If that sounds confrontational, I'm sorry. Just kind of wondering what the intent of your questioning was...

Secondly, I went to my first Wings game when I was 4 years old, back in 1976 and followed them ever since... so therefore, I was there during the '90's and enjoyed the amazing plays of Sergei Fedorov. But I mention again, part of the reason he is not beloved by everyone in these forums is because he was a whiner and a selfish player at times. If you were a serious hockey fan of the Wings for any amount of time, you will also remember that.

The bottom line is, some people blindly love Sergei and some don't. To me it feels like when someone talks smack about someone you love. While it may be true, you are in love with them and can't see what other people choose to see. Those who hold Feds up on a pedestal will never see eye to eye with those who decide to boo him. Nor will the boo-ers see your side, so why can't we just allow people to boo if they want to.

That makes no sense. Why is it confrontational to ask someone why they are booing? The booing is disrespectful. Asking why someone is booing makes perfect sense, espically when there is no real reason to boo Fedorov.

I have no problem with admitting that Fedorov did cause his fair share of problems on the Wings. But if you were the best player on the team, and weren't getting the ice time, wouldn't you complain? Something that I will never understand is how Fedorov can be booed for his antics, yet Hasek is praised. If for one second you think that Sergie's return wouldn't be welcomed, just look at Hasek and the mess he made. Then, try to say anything unkind about Hasek in a thread. People will go nuts on you. For some reason, they seem to have forgotten all the bulls*** he pulled. The same WOULD happen with Fedorov. And he would make the Wings infanitly better than Hasek does.

"It wasn't the money, Detroit offered him more money, or at least a comparable deal. He left because he was tired of the ridicule from fan like the ones who boo him now."

"Fedorov was loved by the fans. If nothing else, the booing proves that."

You contradict yourself.

No I didn't. The same fans that boo him now are the ones that give this reason for booing:'he left'. So, one would have to interpet that as they loved him when he was here, and are hurt that he left.

One cannot deny that he was ridiculed when he was here, deservingly or not.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I know there have been a kajillion threads about Fedorov, yet here I am reading through four pages again. Can't explain why, I guess I am interested in seeing why people boo the guy.

Seriously, has ANY ex-Wing ever been booed before? I can't recall any. It just doesn't seem right in Hockeytown.

I knew this would happen, especially since it is the first time I have ever replied in one of these discussions. I have every right to ask people why they boo him. I paid 85.00 to sit in the third row, along with my best friend who drove from North Carolina to see the game. It pisses me off when people boo. I don't tell them not to, and I won't tell you or anyone else in this discussion not to. I have every right to ask why they do it though. As I said, they don't even friggen know why. I am not in "Love" with Sergei thank you. Just because I am a female it doesn't mean I am a puck bunny. I am Canadian, I have watched hockey since I could hold my own bottle. If I saw ONE good reason why people should boo, I'd be done with this conversation but I haven't seen one yet.

And they have every right to tell you to f*** off.

Actually, you don't have a right to pester people around you at a sporting event. That's not a law, just my opinion.

No. It doesn't. Why should I? If it's something that's wrong, why should it be bad to take issue with it? I've never been the type of person to "roll over" when I see something that's questionable and stupid, because it's not "a bother" for me to stick up for the truth--and neither is it some duty here, because let's face it, this is hockey.

This is open stupidity on the part of fans though, which is why I don't believe in turning my head away. If it's dumb, it deserves to be critiqued, like all things. Because it's just like HockeytownRN said:

"If I saw ONE good reason why people should boo, I'd be done with this conversation but I haven't seen one yet."

Yeah, but after how many years of this we still aren't getting anywhere. I mean, who is more stupid, those that boo or those that continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?

Some people are dumb schmucks and some aren't. Some like to boo for what they feel are legit reasons and some do it because the guy next to him is. So what. You find it objectionable. Awesome. The guy booing doesn't. Sorry but we aren't changing the world here. In the end raise all the hell you want about people booing. IMO you are wasting your breathe. Call me crazy but when I realize there's no point in something I move on. Especially when its as trivial as booing a hockey player.

No. It doesn't. Why should I? If it's something that's wrong, why should it be bad to take issue with it? I've never been the type of person to "roll over" when I see something that's questionable and stupid, because it's not "a bother" for me to stick up for the truth--and neither is it some duty here, because let's face it, this is hockey.

This is open stupidity on the part of fans though, which is why I don't believe in turning my head away. If it's dumb, it deserves to be critiqued, like all things. Because it's just like HockeytownRN said:

"If I saw ONE good reason why people should boo, I'd be done with this conversation but I haven't seen one yet."

How about signing a offer sheet from Carolina while he was a restricted free agent. Even though I don't boo I find that to be of particular distaste.

Of course the defense is he should be able to get as much money as possible and blah, blah. Well, signing with another team while you are restricted has nothing to do with loyalty to the Wings in any way, shape or form. I'd let people boo him over that.

[sibiriak 84]

And they have every right to tell you to f*** off.

Actually, you don't have a right to pester people around you at a sporting event. That's not a law, just my opinion.

So I couldn't bother the booing idiots sitting next to me, but they are allowed to bother me by their booing? C'mon. if someone boos, you can counter-boo or applaud, or ask them why are they booing. There's nothing wrong with it.

[Flip-check 6]

No I didn't. The same fans that boo him now are the ones that give this reason for booing:'he left'. So, one would have to interpet that as they loved him when he was here, and are hurt that he left.

I get what you meant. He was loved then, but he also got a lot of scrutiny and ridicule for stuff too: so yeah, you have no contradiction. Also, I cannot emphasize this enough:

That makes no sense. Why is it confrontational to ask someone why they are booing? The booing is disrespectful. Asking why someone is booing makes perfect sense, espically when there is no real reason to boo Fedorov.

Booing is not "entertaining" (unless you're supremely simple, like harold said earlier), it is not "fun" (unless you're booing Tootoo, you know, someone who deserves his bad reputation), and it is not at all intelligent unless there is actually a good reason for the booing in the first place. Yes, you do need a good reason to do something, believe it or not.

Feds having frustrating antics in his contract years is not enough justification either.

Edited April 6, 2007 by Flip-check

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

That makes no sense. Why is it confrontational to ask someone why they are booing? The booing is disrespectful. Asking why someone is booing makes perfect sense, espically when there is no real reason to boo Fedorov.

I have no problem with admitting that Fedorov did cause his fair share of problems on the Wings. But if you were the best player on the team, and weren't getting the ice time, wouldn't you complain? Something that I will never understand is how Fedorov can be booed for his antics, yet Hasek is praised. If for one second you think that Sergie's return wouldn't be welcomed, just look at Hasek and the mess he made. Then, try to say anything unkind about Hasek in a thread. People will go nuts on you. For some reason, they seem to have forgotten all the bulls*** he pulled. The same WOULD happen with Fedorov. And he would make the Wings infanitly better than Hasek does.

No I didn't. The same fans that boo him now are the ones that give this reason for booing:'he left'. So, one would have to interpet that as they loved him when he was here, and are hurt that he left.

One cannot deny that he was ridiculed when he was here, deservingly or not.

I agree with some of your points until you say Fedorov would make the Wings infinitely better than Hasek. So we lose arguably the best goalie in the game this season and replace him with Osgood as the starter and who as a backup exactly? Oh yeah, not to mention that Sergei's salary would've probably made it impossible to acquire Bertuzzi or make any other adjustments.

So we'd get a nearing 40 year old centerman to go with Draper, Datsyuk, Hudler, Lang, Zetterberg.....ummmm....how many centers do you need on one team?

Seriously, you didn't think about that comment very long before you posted it. And if you did..........yikes.

[Kp-Wings 3]

I have no problem with admitting that Fedorov did cause his fair share of problems on the Wings. But if you were the best player on the team, and weren't getting the ice time, wouldn't you complain? Something that I will never understand is how Fedorov can be booed for his antics, yet Hasek is praised. If for one second you think that Sergie's return wouldn't be welcomed, just look at Hasek and the mess he made. Then, try to say anything unkind about Hasek in a thread. People will go nuts on you. For some reason, they seem to have forgotten all the bulls*** he pulled. The same WOULD happen with Fedorov. And he would make the Wings infanitly better than Hasek does.

First of all, how did he not get enough ice team? Please explain how a first liner did not get enough ice time.

Second of all, the comparison to Hasek is perhaps the worst I've ever seen. Hasek has played here for a grand total of 2 seasons (not counting his 14 game stint in 2003-2004). He really didn't have a connection to this team like Sergei did. This is why if Hasek left, nobody would be as mad at him as they were with Fedorov.

Third of all, you're nuts if think Hasek is praised for his antics. With the exception (and no offense) to Puckloo, nobody really backs Hasek heart and soul. You're clearly making all of this up out of the clear blue sky, mainly becuase you don't like Hasek. Just read these boards after Hasek has a bad game. Most of the boards will be calling for his head.

Last but not least, Hasek and Fedorov are two totally different people. Hasek doesn't complain about the players on the team. Fedorov did. He always felt he was a better player then Yzerman, and always felt he should have the "C" instead. It's never been proven, but it's always been rumored that Fedorov never liked Yzerman to begin with, because Yzerman had everything that Fedorov wanted.

Fedorov was a great player when he played here. But the kind of stuff he did at the same time off the ice was pretty low. Let's time travel back to 1997-1998 when he refused to sign with the Wings. And in that same year, signs an offer sheet to Carolina. Or let's remember the 2002-2003 season when he began to throw a fit because he was being benched because of poor play. He could have kept his mouth shut, but instead he spouts off to the media. Just like he had on many other occasions when he played here.

I loved Fedorov when he played here, and was one of my favorite players. I never boo him either. But the thing that really gets me is how people make him out to be this nice guy that was always happy and loved everything, which is not true. He always complained about something. Stop trying to make him out to be this perfect person who never complained or threw little fits, because he did, and well all know it.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Actually, you don't have a right to pester people around you at a sporting event. That's not a law, just my opinion.

Yeah, but after how many years of this we still aren't getting anywhere. I mean, who is more stupid, those that boo or those that continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?

Of course the defense is he should be able to get as much money as possible and blah, blah. Well, signing with another team while you are restricted has nothing to do with loyalty to the Wings in any way, shape or form. I'd let people boo him over that.

You make no sense. Has the booing caused Sergei to play worse? No. Has the booing caused him to miss a game at the Joe? No. The booing isn't doing anything, but motivating Sergei to play better. In fact, it's coutnerproductive.

And the offer sheet he sigend with Carolina was not what Sergie was worth. If he was a UFA that year, he would have gotten $8 per, at least. No one wanted to give up the collection of picks they would have had to give Detroit if they signed him.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

So I couldn't bother the booing idiots sitting next to me, but they are allowed to bother me by their booing? C'mon. if someone boos, you can counter-boo or applaud, or ask them why are they booing. There's nothing wrong with it.

I hear you. I just go to sporting events to enjoy myself. People that applaud or boo simply don't bother me. People who stand constantly or can't hold their piss for more than 20 minutes or get so drunk they fall over and spill s*** on me are the ones who bother me.

What cracks me up is if it bothers people so much then what can you really do about it? So you ask someone why they boo knowing whatever answer they give you aren't going to find to be legitimate so what's the point? If people are so offended by the booing and this is such an important topic that needs to be defended, a wrong righted, then next time someone boos Feds tell them if they keep it up they're going to have a problem.

I mean, if this is so important to some of you enough with the pshycho analyzing and just get down to it. Toss some haymakers.

You make no sense. Has the booing caused Sergei to play worse? No. Has the booing caused him to miss a game at the Joe? No. The booing isn't doing anything, but motivating Sergei to play better. In fact, it's coutnerproductive.

And the offer sheet he sigend with Carolina was not what Sergie was worth. If he was a UFA that year, he would have gotten $8 per, at least. No one wanted to give up the collection of picks they would have had to give Detroit if they signed him.

BLAH, BLAH. Get over yourself and quit being a homer. He was a Wing. He signed on to play for another team. He forcer the Wings hand. You say nobody wanted to give up the picks? How do you figure? The offer was made, duh. The offer was signed wasn't it? The Wings were forced to match. Yeah, that's loyalty their.

BOTTOM LINE: HE SIGNED THE OFFER. STOP BEING A BLIND HOMER.

[Flip-check 6]

Some people are dumb schmucks and some aren't. Some like to boo for what they feel are legit reasons and some do it because the guy next to him is. So what. You find it objectionable. Awesome. The guy booing doesn't. Sorry but we aren't changing the world here. In the end raise all the hell you want about people booing. IMO you are wasting your breathe. Call me crazy but when I realize there's no point in something I move on. Especially when its as trivial as booing a hockey player.

Yeah, I don't think it's "world peace" level here, so thankfully, aside from the sheep-like nature of people to follow other people's stupidity... there's nothing generally harmful in a bunch of people sitting in an arena, booing without even knowing why. Some might have an idea, but a lot of people out there probably haven't a clue why if you asked 'em.

But again, I don't think there's "no point" to voicing my dispute with open social idiocy. It would be quite foolish if I expected the whole of Joe Louis to turn around and say, "You know, we don't even know why we're doing this! You're right! Sorry, Feds."

But the thing there? People dispute things despite whether or not they have the power to change it, simply on grounds of principle alone. I wouldn't spend hours showing people what I think, but a few minutes on some internet hockey board ain't too much of a waste, though you're right, booing a hockey player is pretty trivial.

However, it's probably because it's the matter beyond #91 that's connected to this that I post. Really, Feds isn't the point here. It's the brainlessness of fans that bugs the hell out of me most. And I think everyone dislikes it when that starts running rampant.

Edited April 7, 2007 by Flip-check

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

First of all, how did he not get enough ice team? Please explain how a first liner did not get enough ice time.

Second of all, the comparison to Hasek is perhaps the worst I've ever seen. Hasek has played here for a grand total of 2 seasons (not counting his 14 game stint in 2003-2004). He really didn't have a connection to this team like Sergei did. This is why if Hasek left, nobody would be as mad at him as they were with Fedorov.

Third of all, you're nuts if think Hasek is praised for his antics. With the exception (and no offense) to Puckloo, nobody really backs Hasek heart and soul. You're clearly making all of this up out of the clear blue sky, mainly becuase you don't like Hasek. Just read these boards after Hasek has a bad game. Most of the boards will be calling for his head.

Last but not least, Hasek and Fedorov are two totally different people. Hasek doesn't complain about the players on the team. Fedorov did. He always felt he was a better player then Yzerman, and always felt he should have the "C" instead. It's never been proven, but it's always been rumored that Fedorov never liked Yzerman to begin with, because Yzerman had everything that Fedorov wanted.

Fedorov was a great player when he played here. But the kind of stuff he did at the same time off the ice was pretty low. Let's time travel back to 1997-1998 when he refused to sign with the Wings. And in that same year, signs an offer sheet to Carolina. Or let's remember the 2002-2003 season when he began to throw a fit because he was being benched because of poor play. He could have kept his mouth shut, but instead he spouts off to the media. Just like he had on many other occasions when he played here.

I loved Fedorov when he played here, and was one of my favorite players. I never boo him either. But the thing that really gets me is how people make him out to be this nice guy that was always happy and loved everything, which is not true. He always complained about something. Stop trying to make him out to be this perfect person who never complained or threw little fits, because he did, and well all know it.

First, a player of Fedorov's caliber should have been on the ice for 25 minutes a game. He wasn't. He did everything he was asked, and when he wasn't putting up ridiculous offensive numbers, he was benched. I won't argue with Scottie, obviously he knows a lil more about hockey than anyone here, but IMO you don't bench someone for not putting up numbers, aferall, it's hard to score from the bench.

Second, the comparison to Hasek makes perfect sense. It does not matter how long he played here. The comparison wasn't about that. The comparison was about his distractions. Wich he was more of a distraction that Fedorov ever was.

Third, Hasek DID complain about Joseph and Osgood. Just that unlike Fedorov, the media didn't crucify him for it. Fedorov never questioned Yzerman wearing the 'C'. Did he want it? Maybe. He never said he did, he never said he didn't like Yzerman. That's pure speculation on your part, and thus an irrelevant argument.

Lastly, I never said Sergei was perfect, in fact, I think I said something like 'Fedorov caused his fair share of problems'. So why would you even bring that up? Actually, I think that was part of my post that you quoted. Did you actually read it? Can you read? Seriously, even Yzerman had his troubles here. He got coaches fired for christs sake! How is tha NOT a locker room issue? And up until Bowman came along, Yzerman was half the player Fedorov was, Yzerman WAS a defensive liability. It wasn't until Bowman convinced him to play defence that he became the solid two-way player everyone remembers.

[grsbmd 0]

I think a lot of people are overanalyzing this. It's just a thing that the crowd does. When everyone around you is doing something, it's fun to do the same thing.

At Yost, we call people some pretty bad names, but it doesn't mean that we actually have a personal grudge against every opposing player who goes to the penalty box. It's just something that the crowd does. Personally I can sympathize with people who booed him the first few times, but now it's just a tradition. Most people have all but forgotten any grudges and are just playing along.

[Flip-check 6]

I think a lot of people are overanalyzing this. It's just a thing that the crowd does. When everyone around you is doing something, it's fun to do the same thing.

At Yost, we call people some pretty bad names, but it doesn't mean that we actually have a personal grudge against every opposing player who goes to the penalty box. It's just something that the crowd does. Personally I can sympathize with people who booed him the first few times, but now it's just a tradition. Most people have all but forgotten any grudges and are just playing along.

I dig getting in on clapping, the wave, and a bunch of other fan participation things, but I probably wouldn't boo just because everyone else is doing it.

When you don't know why you're doing something, except because your neighbor is too, that's not much of a reason.

[Offsides 21]

Red Wing fans think themselves the classiest in the world.

Booing Sergei is NOT classy. It's very embarassing, actually. It's been too long, it's tired...I wish one of the Red Wings would say something about it, as I've heard quite a few announcers bring it up.

If it was one or two drunk guys doing it, people would roll their eyes at them, maybe get a chuckle and call them an '*******' under their breath...but because everyone's doing it no one sees that they are all ridiculous.

[wingsfan40 0]

For me I see it like this...... I was the biggest fan of Sergei when he was a Wing but as soon as he left I have said some pretty nasty things since he's been gone. It's the same thing when I think of my last girlfriend who left me. I loved her but when she left I was heartbroken and I will never be able to feel the same way as when she was with me because I feel betrayed to some extent and will always remember the pain. For me its the same thing with Fedorov.

Makes me laugh but on the same hand you have to bury the hatchet at some point