Go Ducks

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Shutdown lines go up against the same line every time, so your guys have been shutting down max 3 guys per team.....that means your guys shutdown Iginla and Langkow....didn't really happen.

Then they shutdown Cheechoo and Thornton: yes they did do that VERY effectively

Ducks: Shutdown Marian Gaborik and Pavol Demitra a LITTLE better than you guys vs. Calgary

Rendered H and D Sedin useless.

Ok we'll call it even....but I still think that this series will find the shutdown edge towards the Ducks.

Um, actually shutdown lines are always paired up against one singular line per team. And it wasnt just Langkow and Iginla...maybe youve also heard of Huselius and Tanguay??

As for it "not really happening" against Iginla and Langkow, you just PROVED you didnt watch ANY of the Detroit-Calgary series. Langkow, Iginla, Tanguay, and Huselius. Never posed a threat to the Wings on a consistent basis at all. In fact, Langkow couldnt buy a goal at even strength and one of his two whole goals came on a 5 on 3.

Michalek-Thornton-Cheechoo, and Tanguay-Huselius-Iggy, are a bit different than Demitra-White-Gaborik and Sedin-Sedin-Pyatt. Not to mention youre accusing Detroits top line of letting Langkow and Iggy get 4 pts in 6 games, yet yours let Gabby and Demitra get 4pts in 5.

Edited May 11, 2007 by YoungGuns1340

[livediehockey80 0]

I love all of the juicy smack talk between Wings and Ducks fans. Everyone in this forum has NO CLUE how this series will shake out.

Wings and Ducks fans better be prepared for a series sweep either way. They should also be prepared for a possible grueling 7 games series. Role players will likely be heroes. Goaltenders will come up big in some games and make huge mistakes in others. Lucky bounces and phantom penalties will happen.

If the Wings go down 4-0 in this series...I wouldn't think less of them. If they win 4-0 in the series...it's time to celebrate.

Time to drop the puck already.

[calfan 0]

Our Checking line > Aniheims

People say were a european based team. have you not heard of Big Bert , Dan Cleary , Selke trophy winner of 04 Kris draper , Kirk Maltby , Kyle Calder , and even my dawg Kyle Quincey.

I HATE that stereotype.

BTW , Steve Kouleas brought it up yesterday on the spin , I ******* hate that man so much. he's so canadian biased.

Well, of course your checkers are Canadian, but the majority of your "skill" players are European. Hate it all you want, but the Wings have been good at finding European talent for many, many years.

[calfan 0]

North American vs European is a tired and worn out argument.

Chicken-Swede captains will face off for the Cup this spring.

As for picking one of North American or European, I'll take the winners. The Wings have far more winners on their roster than the Ducks. As was mentioned, by Dreger I believe, the Wings know how to close things out once they get close. After tasting bitter defeat in '95 and '96 the Wings have won it all every time they've managed to reach the Conference Finals from there on out. '97, '98, and '02. Which also goes hand in hand with winning the last 11 games where clinching a series was possible.

But yeah... nationality is meaningless to all but Cherry and his ilk these days.

The points in bold were exactly what I was saying in my post regarding the intangibles.

As for nationality - I disagree. Not saying Canadians are the only ones with heart or anything as stupid as that, but hockey is a national passion here more so than anywhere else. I think they bring an edge to a team, especially when they are the leaders (and by that I don't mean the Captain) because it means more.

[Wingsor 2]

The points in bold were exactly what I was saying in my post regarding the intangibles.

As for nationality - I disagree. Not saying Canadians are the only ones with heart or anything as stupid as that, but hockey is a national passion here more so than anywhere else. I think they bring an edge to a team, especially when they are the leaders (and by that I don't mean the Captain) because it means more.

what do you mean? canada's national sport is actually lacrosse heheh

ok i was just kidding around.

it is though...

it should be hockey...but then again it should be every countries sport!

hockey roxxx

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

As far as this series goes, I don't think nationality means squat. All of these guys are gamers and want to win, no matter where they're from. All of the Europeans on the Wings have raised their game; played bigger and more physical than during the season, scored bigger goals and made bigger plays.

[Guest Tunbo Batman]

well, lets say this : the wings have a habit of winning the third round : the "duck" have a habit of losing in the third round.

[norrisnick 1]

The points in bold were exactly what I was saying in my post regarding the intangibles.

As for nationality - I disagree. Not saying Canadians are the only ones with heart or anything as stupid as that, but hockey is a national passion here more so than anywhere else. I think they bring an edge to a team, especially when they are the leaders (and by that I don't mean the Captain) because it means more.

Hockey being a national passion for Canada has no bearing in this as Canada as a whole isn't involved.

Just because Z is a huge soccer fan doesn't mean he's any less passionate about HIS sport than anyone else.

Baseball is America's past time. You think Cheli isn't passionate about hockey?

Hasek?

All these guys picked hockey as their sport. Their livelihood. You bet your ass they're passionate about it.

[OsGOD 3]

Michalek-Thornton-Cheechoo, and Tanguay-Huselius-Iggy, are a bit different than Demitra-White-Gaborik and Sedin-Sedin-Pyatt.

I dunno... those Alien twins are pretty shifty fellers. He may have a point.

[Hank 0]

Um, actually shutdown lines are always paired up against one singular line per team. And it wasnt just Langkow and Iginla...maybe youve also heard of Huselius and Tanguay??

As for it "not really happening" against Iginla and Langkow, you just PROVED you didnt watch ANY of the Detroit-Calgary series. Langkow, Iginla, Tanguay, and Huselius. Never posed a threat to the Wings on a consistent basis at all. In fact, Langkow couldnt buy a goal at even strength and one of his two whole goals came on a 5 on 3.

Michalek-Thornton-Cheechoo, and Tanguay-Huselius-Iggy, are a bit different than Demitra-White-Gaborik and Sedin-Sedin-Pyatt. Not to mention youre accusing Detroits top line of letting Langkow and Iggy get 4 pts in 6 games, yet yours let Gabby and Demitra get 4pts in 5.

Not to mention that Minnesota's and Vancouver's coaches will bench any player that crosses the redline while playing 5-on-5. The Wings bring a lot more speed and offensive pressure than both of those teams combined.

But in the end, all we can do is let the puck drop. I have no clue how this series is going to play out. I think it's going to be a defensive battle with special teams winning the series.

Just drop the puck already.

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Not to mention that Minnesota's and Vancouver's coaches will bench any player that crosses the redline while playing 5-on-5. The Wings bring a lot more speed and offensive pressure than both of those teams combined.

But in the end, all we can do is let the puck drop. I have no clue how this series is going to play out. I think it's going to be a defensive battle with special teams winning the series.

Just drop the puck already.

Well said Hank,enough has been said back and forth the past few days this is going to be a great series with alot of talent on the ice for both teams so lets sit back collect are thoughts and enjoy the battle GO WINGS

[RedwingRunnamuck 0]

I dont care if anyone has a intelligent stat or what team has a better shut-own line. Break out your quasi-know-all "my team is better" jargon, it's all for naught at this point. The Duck are good, The Wing is good. Stats mean nothign at this point, we are in the third round of the best sport in the world. BUT, I am a RED WING fan. Therefore, beat the s*** outta the ducks, have a good time doing it, score more goals than the ducks do, and bring Ol'Stanley back to its home. Lord Stanley is not too good for its home, and if you didnt know where that is, its Detroit.

LET THEM SEE RED.

Edited May 11, 2007 by RedwingRunnamuck

[ducksfanforlife 0]

Um, actually shutdown lines are always paired up against one singular line per team. And it wasnt just Langkow and Iginla...maybe youve also heard of Huselius and Tanguay??

As for it "not really happening" against Iginla and Langkow, you just PROVED you didnt watch ANY of the Detroit-Calgary series. Langkow, Iginla, Tanguay, and Huselius. Never posed a threat to the Wings on a consistent basis at all. In fact, Langkow couldnt buy a goal at even strength and one of his two whole goals came on a 5 on 3.

Michalek-Thornton-Cheechoo, and Tanguay-Huselius-Iggy, are a bit different than Demitra-White-Gaborik and Sedin-Sedin-Pyatt. Not to mention youre accusing Detroits top line of letting Langkow and Iggy get 4 pts in 6 games, yet yours let Gabby and Demitra get 4pts in 5.

That's what I said first of all in terms of them going up against one line only.....

2nd of all: Fine so you guys "shut down" Iginla and Langkow....Huselius and Tanguay didn't have that great of an impact during the regular season: they are comparable to Pierre Marc Bouchard and Brian Rolston who the Ducks stymied.

Basically, I guess I shouldn't be that annoyed considering the Ducks shutdown line is still way underrated.....whatever....Good luck tonight!

[Guest bullocks]

whats the spin? unfortunately i live in windsor, one mile on the wrong side of the border...cant get alot of american feeds once the playoffs start.

Is the spin on ESPN? god i miss direct TV

the spin is a segment they do on the score...which is a canadian television station...not american...so u should get it...for me, its better then tsn, and sportsnet...funny guys.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

That's what I said first of all in terms of them going up against one line only.....

2nd of all: Fine so you guys "shut down" Iginla and Langkow....Huselius and Tanguay didn't have that great of an impact during the regular season: they are comparable to Pierre Marc Bouchard and Brian Rolston who the Ducks stymied.

Basically, I guess I shouldn't be that annoyed considering the Ducks shutdown line is still way underrated.....whatever....Good luck tonight!

Youre way off on Huselius "not having much of an impact" and for the most part, Tanguay too. Tanguay put up nice numbers and they wouldve been even nicer if Calgary had had Iginla and Conroy for the entire season.

As for Huselius...I really dont know what you are smoking. The guy had a break out season, became a top performer in all regards, and had something like a 16 game point streak. He was absolutley unstoppable for much of the season.

Nobody isnt giving the Ducks shutdown line respect. All three guys are awesome and Pahlsson leads the pack, but when the respect isnt coming the other way, you can expect responses like these.

[ZAMBONI 0]

Youre way off on Huselius "not having much of an impact" and for the most part, Tanguay too. Tanguay put up nice numbers and they wouldve been even nicer if Calgary had had Iginla and Conroy for the entire season.

As for Huselius...I really dont know what you are smoking. The guy had a break out season, became a top performer in all regards, and had something like a 16 game point streak. He was absolutley unstoppable for much of the season.

Nobody isnt giving the Ducks shutdown line respect. All three guys are awesome and Pahlsson leads the pack, but when the respect isnt coming the other way, you can expect responses like these.

I don't think any real fan of the game is unfamiliar with Maltby and Draper and the kind of veteran savvy they bring each night. At least i hope not.

[motorcitykid 42]

If Babcock thinks he can read the Ducks, then he is screwed. We aren't even close to the same team we were in '03.

Actually it's Duck fans who keep telling everyone to look back to 2003, not Red Wing fans. That's a hell of a long time to go back for inspiration the Ducks and their fans are seeking.

We all know who's dealt with what these playoffs. Again, this ain't Vancouver and it sure as hell ain't Minnesota. The Quacks are in for a suprise at the calibre of hockey they're about to face.

Wings in 6. Or to be nice .. Wings in 7.

[ZAMBONI 0]

Actually it's Duck fans who keep telling everyone to look back to 2003, not Red Wing fans. That's a hell of a long time to go back for inspiration the Ducks and their fans are seeking.

We all know who's dealt with what these playoffs. Again, this ain't Vancouver and it sure as hell ain't Minnesota. The Quacks are in for a suprise at the calibre of hockey they're about to face.

Wings in 6. Or to be nice .. Wings in 7.

To be fair the Wings haven't done any real damage since Bowman was still Coaching so i'd say lets leave out the past and talk about the intangibles both teams bring in the present. Babcock from what i have seen has changed his coaching philosophy to suit the team he currently ices. They are still dependent upon great backchecking and clogging the neutral zone with their locks to create rushes the other way,but i don't believe coaching is gonna decide the series anyway,its gonna be decided on mistakes in your own zone. I hope the ducks prevelance for penalties does not catch up with them.

[Defenseman13 0]

Now ive always liked the WIngs, and my favorite player was Steve Yzerman. Even wear his number when playing hockey and have the Red WIngs team signed jersey from 2002, but my Ducks will win this series I believe.

The absence of Schneider will cost the Wings dearly. I just cant see the WIngs beating the Ducks in this series.

The Ducks are ready and well prepared, and are on mission. Ive seen every Wings games this postseason, and the Ducks speed is going to catch the Wings offguard. The Red Wings blueline is considerably slow, with the exception of Lebda and maybe Lidstrom. In my opinion, and you guys may not agree, but I think that the long passes the Ducks make in this series from blueline to blueline will really hurt the Wings. The defensive positioning of the Wings defensemen I think will cost the Wings the series. If the Wings fall down early like they did in the first 5 games in the San Jose series, mark my words, they will not pull out the wins like they did against San Jose in games 2 and 4.

The Wings defense has serious weaknesses. Pahlsson is the most underrated player in the NHL, IMO.

And watch out for this player I mention to you guys. His name is Ryan Getzlaf. He wil be the difference maker in this series.

I'll be at the games here in Orange County

Predicting Ducks in 6.

However, as odd as this may sound to some of you, I wouldnt be surprised if the Ducks end up sweeping this series.

Good luck

Just wanted to bump the post that started this thread and keep it alive.

Good times. No sweep?

[RedWings 79]

First post shows a lack of knowledge of the Red Wings.

Schneider is not exactly the safest defenseman in the world, losing him does not mean for us having a worse defense...

I was much more concerned about our special teams (we lack him at the blue point definitely)

Detroit defense is as good as it gets...

Lids is here half of the game, Cheli plays like a top 2 defenseman... And the other guys stepped up and don't do mistakes...

IMO Robert Lang is definitely our biggest defensive liability, i wish he would be injured

[ducksfanforlife 0]

Youre way off on Huselius "not having much of an impact" and for the most part, Tanguay too. Tanguay put up nice numbers and they wouldve been even nicer if Calgary had had Iginla and Conroy for the entire season.

As for Huselius...I really dont know what you are smoking. The guy had a break out season, became a top performer in all regards, and had something like a 16 game point streak. He was absolutley unstoppable for much of the season.

Nobody isnt giving the Ducks shutdown line respect. All three guys are awesome and Pahlsson leads the pack, but when the respect isnt coming the other way, you can expect responses like these.

Huselius is still comparable to Rolston.....I didn't realize how many pts he actually got since we hadn't played them in the playoffs...he did have quite a year.

Wow ok I didn't also realize how good of a season Tanguay had......at the beginning of the year all i can remember hearing is how much he was disappointing but.....oh well

For your checking line the respect is automatic....they're well-known already, probably the most well-known checking line in the league so.....to be comparing them to the Ducks' checking line is also showing some respect: although I didn't get a good vibe from the shutdown line in Game 1(for the Ducks that is)

[Ducks2007 0]

Now ive always liked the WIngs, and my favorite player was Steve Yzerman. Even wear his number when playing hockey and have the Red WIngs team signed jersey from 2002, but my Ducks will win this series I believe.

The absence of Schneider will cost the Wings dearly. I just cant see the WIngs beating the Ducks in this series.

The Ducks are ready and well prepared, and are on mission. Ive seen every Wings games this postseason, and the Ducks speed is going to catch the Wings offguard. The Red Wings blueline is considerably slow, with the exception of Lebda and maybe Lidstrom. In my opinion, and you guys may not agree, but I think that the long passes the Ducks make in this series from blueline to blueline will really hurt the Wings. The defensive positioning of the Wings defensemen I think will cost the Wings the series. If the Wings fall down early like they did in the first 5 games in the San Jose series, mark my words, they will not pull out the wins like they did against San Jose in games 2 and 4.

The Wings defense has serious weaknesses. Pahlsson is the most underrated player in the NHL, IMO.

And watch out for this player I mention to you guys. His name is Ryan Getzlaf. He wil be the difference maker in this series.

I'll be at the games here in Orange County

Predicting Ducks in 6.

However, as odd as this may sound to some of you, I wouldnt be surprised if the Ducks end up sweeping this series.

Good luck

Thats one.

Like I said in the first post of this thread, the Ducks speed from blueline to blueline via tape to tape passes is really gonna hurt the Wings. Brian Engblom said the exact same thing regarding the Ducks transition speed from blueline to blueline during one of the intermission reports during game 2.

Ducks have outplayed the Wings by far so far this series, if it wasnt for Hasek making some incredible stops in the first two games.

Three more to go for the Ducks.

Good luck to you guys.

[Wild Wing 0]

^You know, I respectfully disagree with you. I think both teams have played equal games, and no one is being outplayed. Yes, the Ducks look really quick and seem to be controlling the puck an awful lot, but you have to tip your hat to an outstanding defensive effort by everyone wearing a red jersey on that ice. Plus, their offense is suprisingly fast, and they sure has hell are not "old." Furthermore, speed alone does not win the Western Conference Finals for us. We have our work cut out for us, and both teams have to continue their dominating play that got them to the WCF in order to advance.

[Guest bullocks]

Thats one.

Like I said in the first post of this thread, the Ducks speed from blueline to blueline via tape to tape passes is really gonna hurt the Wings. Brian Engblom said the exact same thing regarding the Ducks transition speed from blueline to blueline during one of the intermission reports during game 2.

Ducks have outplayed the Wings by far so far this series, if it wasnt for Hasek making some incredible stops in the first two games.

Three more to go for the Ducks.

Good luck to you guys.

Engblom is a bum first of all...anything he says is anti-red wings. but ur right, anaheim has outplayed detroit so far...but i wouldnt say "by far"...could easily be detroit going to anaheim 2-0...but at the same time, i dont think theyd deserve that. anaheim's 3rd goal was iffy, im sure u heard all about it. but ya, good luck. if the wings wake up in anaheim, we'll be comming home 3-1

[Ducks2007 0]

^You know, I respectfully disagree with you. I think both teams have played equal games, and no one is being outplayed. Yes, the Ducks look really quick and seem to be controlling the puck an awful lot, but you have to tip your hat to an outstanding defensive effort by everyone wearing a red jersey on that ice. Plus, their offense is suprisingly fast, and they sure has hell are not "old." Furthermore, speed alone does not win the Western Conference Finals for us. We have our work cut out for us, and both teams have to continue their dominating play that got them to the WCF in order to advance.

I completely understand what you are saying WIld Wing.

Datsyuk, Hank, Listrom, Chelios, and Hasek are the Wing players that have so much of the burden on them to keep the Wings in this series. Ive mentioned before that I think Datsuk and Hank are IMO, the two best players in the NHL today.

However, I think that as this series goes along, the ice will be tilted more and more in favor of the Ducks