Lazerbeam 13 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 (edited) There's a couple of things about that goal that really bothered me. First of all, the fact that Dom got pushed into the net. The guys on CBC were saying that it doesn't matter that he was pushed into the net because that call can't be made by the guys upstairs. If the goalie is pushed into the net, apparently it has to be called on the ice by the ref as it happens. WHY? What kind of rule is this? If video review was made to get the correct call, how does this make sense? Secondly, the fact that there wasn't an angle (that I saw anyways) that could clearly show the puck was completely over the line. Sure, it might have seemed like it was past the line, but did we really know for sure? Let's go back to that Buffalo/NYR game last series with the play at the end that they waved off. With a bit of common sense, you could conclude that the puck went past the line just before Lundqvist got it with his pad. However, they called this no goal because apparently common sense isn't good enough. Until I see a clear shot of the puck well behind the two goal posts (we couldn't see the line because it was on Dom's leg), I'm not going to believe that this was a good goal. A lot of this is probably just out of frustration, but I honestly cannot believe they called it a goal. I have the game on tape and watched it again and it was completly over the line without a doubt--But the fact of the matter is that Hasek was pushed into the net with the puck which should be called NO GOAL!! Edited May 14, 2007 by Lazerbeam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzerTinov 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 The fact that they used to be able to review whether A SKATE was in the crease before the puck entered. And that in reality they cant review whether the goalie was shoved in is hilarious. Hey, in football cant they review whether a receiver gets shoved out of teh endzone on a catch? I see this as pretty much the exact same situation. I hope they have a nice talk about this rule in the offseason and it gets changed because this shouldnt have to happen again. And usually i hate debating the rules, Im a big time traditionalist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roberto Who? 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 I thought Dom was fine... he can't stop illegal goals, hard as he tries. He played great in the first, in case you didn't see the game. see all those shots taken on him and him blocking all of them reminded me of the vancouver series.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossCheck24 2 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 I believe the announcer on Vs. said that Hasek was "pitchforked" into the net at one point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsor 2 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 I have the game on tape and watched it again and it was completly over the line without a doubt--But the fact of the matter is that Hasek was pushed into the net with the puck wich should be called NO GOAL!! yes the first one was a goal, the second one wasnt..i have it on HD recorded watched it many times The fact that they used to be able to review whether A SKATE was in the crease before the puck entered. And that in reality they cant review whether the goalie was shoved in is hilarious. EXCELLENT EXCELLENT POINT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingNut 25 5 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Wings got robbed plain and simple. Since when can you push a goalie into the net? Now Anaheim has the momentum going home. Damn shame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzerTinov 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Just to appease this ducks fan. "We'll get em next game" Still doesnt change my opinion on the matter. If you think that call doesn't deserve discussion you are a very confused individual Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ILWingsFan1 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Just like I said after game 1, the Wings need to start running Giguere the way the Ducks are running Hasek. Of course that will probably lead the refs to dig the goalie interference call back out of their butts, where it's been the first two games while the Ducks are pushing Dom around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bullocks Report post Posted May 14, 2007 sure it was a bulls*** goal, should have never counted. we all know he was pushed into the net. but we also all know that anaheim was the better team tonight. also, they were the better team in game 1. so some of us should be happy going to anaheim 1-1. sure 2-0 would be nice, but 0-2 wouldnt be so good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSandMan Report post Posted May 14, 2007 It was a bad goal that shouldn't have been reviewed, Who cares? Shake it off and move on. Wings will beat the Refs and the Ducks next game, mark my words! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dw185 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Just to appease this ducks fan. "We'll get em next game" Still doesnt change my opinion on the matter. If you think that call doesn't deserve discussion you are a very confused individual I agree with you on the various points you made. That goal was utter crap. It's too bad that the referees couldn't call a penalty worth a damn... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lazerbeam 13 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 The fact that they used to be able to review whether A SKATE was in the crease before the puck entered. And that in reality they cant review whether the goalie was shoved in is hilarious. Hey, in football cant they review whether a receiver gets shoved out of teh endzone on a catch? I see this as pretty much the exact same situation. I hope they have a nice talk about this rule in the offseason and it gets changed because this shouldnt have to happen again. And usually i hate debating the rules, Im a big time traditionalist. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU I have been saying for the last 2 seasons that the NHL is a joke and they NEVER sit down and think through all the rules and changes to a game and to come up with these kind of scenarios that could happen and have them addressed before you have more controversy--just like they still refuse to go with NO TOUCH ICING, the rule will finally be changed after a player is killed or paralized crashing into the boards to nullify an icing call!! its always after the fact with the NHL--Bettman and the Board of Governors are a complete JOKE!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzerTinov 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Yeah, Im happy going to anaheim 1-1. Its not so much this individual game as it is a flaw like this in teh way the game is called. They always talk abt video review as being there to make sure the right call is made. And in this case it facilitated and caused the wrong call to be made. I almost think that reffing should be like court. If its clear that the goalie was shoved in the video, and they are unable to comment on whether the goalie was shoved but it is clear that it shouldnt be a goal. Why dont they have teh power to set a precedent if all the refs agree (who knows if they all did) and Toronto agrees on the phone. This sort of thing could prevent a whole lot of debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adtthosa 5 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 I just hope that we can use this call as motivation for the next game. Even if we technically should have won this game, we were outplayed for the vast majority of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 why cant u say...what a good game for both teams, we'll get em next game...instead just like on the canucks board u throw out excuses... Because it was a bush goal? AND your coach called both our goals last game flukey and gave no credit to the wings for playing good playoff hockey (where flukey goals win cups- it's all about chances). This is an instance where the complaining fans have a valid point. According to the NHL rulebook you guys lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puertoricanWingsfan 5 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Can't blame Hasek... he played one hell of a game. That save in the first period was the greatest save I've ever seen. We just got unlucky that's all. still pisses me the hell off though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 BUT, we all know you've gotta roll with the punches, and this is one game, and in the end the Ducks wanted it just a tiny bit more, as we saw in the overtime. Hey, it's no biggy, the wings have won series they split at home before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzerTinov 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU I have been saying for the last 2 seasons that the NHL is a joke and they NEVER sit down and think through all the rules and changes to a game and to come up with these kind of scenarios that could happen and have them addressed before you have more controversy--just like they still refuse to go with NO TOUCH ICING, the rule will finally be changed after a player is killed or paralized crashing into the boards to nullify an icing call!! its always after the fact with the NHL--Bettman and the Board of Governors are a complete JOKE!!! I dont agree with you in saying that the NHL is a joke. It is a great league that fights for many good things. Hahah like fighting for example. The fact that they have not erased that from teh game despite onslaught from some of the media is a testament to how good our league really is. They clearly do sit down to consider the rules and changes because they made rule changes after the lockout. Most of which are good changes. I personally dont mind no touch icing, I mean i agree its dangerous, but a lot of great plays and things develop from the race. Sometimes it may not look like the other team has a chance at it, and sometimes they end up getting it. Bettman and the board of governors are not a joke. They are heavily scrutinized by everyone. Basically anytime anything is wrong in the eyes of anyone, they take heat. And anytime they do something great, they get almost no credit. People blame Bettman for the lockout. I think thats wrong. The salary cap was necessary. And if the players could have sucked it up and accepted that they woulda saved themselves and the league as a whole money. People say parity sucks. But honestly, North America loves the NFL and why? Because general managing actually mattters. Every season there is so much change in the offseason, and thats what makes it exciting, because your team has a chance to redefine itself every year. AND, in teh even of a dynasty its a far bigger deal. It means you have the best organizatino from top to bottom. Ah well, that is a piece of what i think of the nhl. hahah All of the above IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 see all those shots taken on him and him blocking all of them reminded me of the vancouver series.... Naw, we're way better than Vancouver. Statistically, the game was pretty much even, check out the box score, as far as SOG, sv%, face-offs etc. Either team could have won in ot. I too don't like the pushing the goalie thing into the net, but then the rules need to be changed and the officials need to blow it if the guy has the puck stopped. Dom's kind of unconventional, so you don't really know if he's stopped or not. Taking off my homer glasses, Ducks would have tied it anyways imo. Also, they're lucky pavel didn't miss the net early on in ot - so here we go 1-1. Here comes the Pond folks.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 the fact of the matter is this: relatively even game, eventhough Versus loves to give the Ducks the courtesy reach-around. 2nd goal was legitimately in, just couldn't tell before going to the video. 3rd goal however should have been ruled no goal. Dom had the puck on his lap out of goal. Duck player, without a trip or force of any kind dives into the crease, colliding with Dom, effectively pushing Dom and the puck over the line. I guess it is a bit ridiculus when games are decided on bad calls like this. And for all you Duck fans, this goes outside of the realm of an ugly, legitimate goal. Funny how Dom can get mowed down, rabbit punched by deuche bags like one Andy McDonald, have bogus interfering goals like the game tier and yet because Tomas effectively and legally blocks the line of sight of the opposition's goaltender, the Wings get the stigma of a team that is overly physical with the goaltender. Someone explain this. On a brighter note, the series is still tied and we have to get one in the Pond. Go Wings.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSandMan Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Despite Refs giving the Ducks a goal, we should have won tonight. We proved their goalie isn't a match without his oversized pads... We beat him so many times tonight. -Holmstrom open net, didn't finish -Zetterberg open net, didn't finish -Dats OT chance. It's obvious Detroit is the more hungry and talented team. And we have more heart and will to win. The Ducks aren't what I thought they'd be, thought they'd bring it more than the Sharks. Without the Refs help, this team is nothing. Expect to see Detroit blasting them at the pond... we'll wear this team down and get inside their heads and take this series. Mark my words! The Ducks are not a SCF team, we are! Go Wings!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 the fact of the matter is this: relatively even game, eventhough Versus loves to give the Ducks the courtesy reach-around. 2nd goal was legitimately in, just couldn't tell before going to the video. 3rd goal however should have been ruled no goal. Dom had the puck on his lap out of goal. Duck player, without a trip or force of any kind dives into the crease, colliding with Dom, effectively pushing Dom and the puck over the line. I guess it is a bit ridiculus when games are decided on bad calls like this. And for all you Duck fans, this goes outside of the realm of an ugly, legitimate goal. Funny how Dom can get mowed down, rabbit punched by deuche bags like one Andy McDonald, have bogus interfering goals like the game tier and yet because Tomas effectively and legally blocks the line of sight of the opposition's goaltender, the Wings get the stigma of a team that is overly physical with the goaltender. Someone explain this. On a brighter note, the series is still tied and we have to get one in the Pond. Go Wings.... Why only get one @ the pond ... lets get two @ the pond ... im confident i dont know why but go wings go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 I'm over the fact that it's 1-1 but look at the non-goal for Buffalo, the puck was in but they reviewed that if went off of a glove when the guy made a shooting motion with his stick and didn't swat the puck in with his glove, which that rule is supposed to prevent. This tying "goal" tonight missed the forest for the trees, yeah it was in but it went illegally, which the review is supposed to prevent. The NHL really makes wonder sometimes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Just puttin' this out there, if it hasn't already: Rule 78a: If an attacking player initiates contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzerTinov 0 Report post Posted May 14, 2007 Im actually very excited to see what TSN and Off the Record have to say about this. Should be interesting. Babcock and Carlyle too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
