Kenny's plans

[Booster313 138]

Anachronism, I love that word. But sersiously, Sergei is one of the best two-way guys. Just watch him play. He may not be as threatening offensively as he once was, but he is still up there. Couple that with his defensive prowess and you've got what? One of the best two-way guys in the league.

Again, I challange not just you, but anyone to show me a guy who is offensively threatening as Sergei, and defensively solid.

Well you won't get any argments from me about Sergi, I agree and I think he is exactly the type of player Kenny would pick up at the trade deadline, however if you want other 2-way forwards I would argue that Dats and Z are both premier 2-way forwards. Are they going to be as good as Feds, only time will tell.

[ShanahanMan 473]

Bertuzzi needs to be back.

but why would kenny let go of Markov? i thought he played great this year,

and what in the world happened for Babs and kenny to fall out of love so quickly with kyle calder?

From what I heard, its not that we don't want Markov back........HE doesn't want to come back. So, we'll just sign a solid defenseman to take his place. Calder is gone for sure, he just didn't show up.......i even started to feel that Williams would have been better in his place (and trust me, its very hard for me to say that).

More and more buzz is surrounding Kozlov and his as well as Detroit's desire to have him back in a Wings uniform. I'd love to see him back and finish his career with the Wings.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Well you won't get any argments from me about Sergi, I agree and I think he is exactly the type of player Kenny would pick up at the trade deadline, however if you want other 2-way forwards I would argue that Dats and Z are both premier 2-way forwards. Are they going to be as good as Feds, only time will tell.

Hank and Pav are more threatening on offense, but in no way are in Sergei league on the other side of the puck. They are solid backcheckers, and decent PK'ers. Complete players in their own right, and by no mens hurt the team in a defensive situation. But again, Sergei is something special on D, and on O.

[RedRockit 0]

More and more buzz is surrounding Kozlov and his as well as Detroit's desire to have him back in a Wings uniform. I'd love to see him back and finish his career with the Wings.

I'd love him back too: I've always felt he was underrated and underappreciated for his contibutions, and maybe he felt that too, hence his seeming ennui during the latter part of his time in Detroit. He may not have the size that we need to compete against the more physical teams, but Koz could sure help us out (80 points and 28 goals this season).

i somehow just don't see it happening, though. He fits in a lot of ways, but my feeling is that KH will go in a different direction.

And yes, I'd take Fedorov back in a heartbeat. I think he'd come back in a heartbeat. And I think he'd play his arse off-- his pride would be on the line, and he plays best under those conditions, it's always seemed to me.

Edited June 9, 2007 by RedRockit

[Guest bullocks]

Dainius Zubrus was who I was thinking up. He scored 24 goals this season 61 points, and has good size being 6'3, 212 pounds. While he didn't score any goals with Buffalo during the playoffs this year, his physical play was top class, and I think him and Bertuzzi would form a great line together. He could come for around 2.5 to 3 million also, from what I've heard anyways.

Zubrus impressed me this post season. I didn't think he was as physical as he proved. He didn't put up many points, but in the regular season he did.

From what I heard, its not that we don't want Markov back........HE doesn't want to come back. So, we'll just sign a solid defenseman to take his place. Calder is gone for sure, he just didn't show up.......i even started to feel that Williams would have been better in his place (and trust me, its very hard for me to say that).

More and more buzz is surrounding Kozlov and his as well as Detroit's desire to have him back in a Wings uniform. I'd love to see him back and finish his career with the Wings.

Sadly, i think Kozlov coming to Detroit is picking up steam, and it's not a good thing. Were going in the totally wrong direction if we get him. Unless it's for REALLY cheap.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Sadly, i think Kozlov coming to Detroit is picking up steam, and it's not a good thing. Were going in the totally wrong direction if we get him. Unless it's for REALLY cheap.

I feel the same, it'll be like hitting reverse. Even its for a good price, its still a roster spot for a type of guy i dont think we need...thats what i value the most.

[sharomyga 6]

gotta keep Markov!!!

[RedFX 48]

gotta keep Markov!!!

The only way I see Markov coming back is if someone else on the D gets booted out. Right now we have 8 defensemen and if we add Sarich thats nine. Kenny apparently would like to get stronger, so you'd have to let one of those guys go and assume Quincey goes back to GR to have a big defensemen like Sarich brought in. (Or if not Sarich, Souray maybe? What about Sean O'Donnell or Brad Stuart?)

Another guy to throw into the mix is Jakub Kindl. He's that big, strong, physical defensemen we need and Kenny can bring him up at a cheaper rate than bringing in a veteran d-man. (Not what I'd do, but again, thinking like Kenny here).

As far as that other forward spot, I really hope we go after Hartnell. I live in Nashville, so I'm able to see him play alot, and I can tell you he is exactly the kind of player the Red Wings need. A strong, gritty forward who crashes the net (something no one did in the Anaheim series). Plus, he's got a monster one-timer, so he would fit in perfectly on that power-play unit.

The goalie situation strikes me a bit comical. I know people are anxious to get Howard in goal, but letting Hasek go to make that happen? C'mon guys. First off, Howard is in no ways proven his ability to play in the NHL. Second of all, if he blows it, we have an equally unreliable Chris Osgood to back him off. If Howard is to be the #1, resign Hasek, let Ozzie go and have Howie be the backup this year. This way, when Dom hangs em up, Howie will some NHL expierience.

....or plan B, sign Giguere

[Kp-Wings 3]

Quincey is still eligible to be assigned to the AHL next year, which is where he will go.

Meech hasn't proved himself worth a roster spot, and the Wings will either try and shop him, or waive him. If he's lost on waivers, then so be it. Not a huge loss.

That said, the Wings would have 7 defenseman, if they re-signed Schneider, Chelios, and Markov. I don't know where you're reading that Markov doesn't want to come back. He said earlier that he was tired of switching teams, and would like to stay. Unless something just happened recently, anything you've read about Markov is purely Eklund garbage or on par with that. If Markov doesn't come back, I'll be disappointed, but he can still be replaced. There are plenty of cheap, physical, defenseman on the open market that come as a replacement, Greg de Vries being the most noteworthy.

[croaker 0]

Please stop it!!

Enough with the Sergei back to the Wings at the deadline talk... do you really think we are going to:

1). Trade within our division?

2). Sign/trade for a guy who in no uncertain terms, told us he didn't want to be here?

3). Trade for another aging veteran that we don't need?

The answer, I think not.

Sergei was a great player and we all loved what he did while he was here (besides ***** and moan), but it's over. No Darren McCarty. No Marty LaPointe. No Shanny. No Steve Yzerman. No Larionov and by the way, Fischer ain't coming back either. STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!!

Sorry for the outburst.

Outburst or not...........you are dead right. We can't re-sign the Sergei from the late 90s and the one from 07 aint worth a damn.

[LeftWinger 4,963]

...lets put it this way, if Fedorov & Kozlov are on the team that lost to Anaheim, we don't lose. Both Feds and Kozzie were/are power play specialists, one of those guys would have scored at least ONE powerplay goal in games 5&6. Add these two to the team for pennies on the dollar (compared to what they made pre-lockout) and we have a GREAT chance of winning the Cup in 08'...

...Sign Chelios, sign Schneider, sign Hasek, sign Bertuzzi, sign Kozlov, trade Hudler for Fedorov, then sign your 7th d-man and 13th forward with the money you save by paying both Fedorov and Kozlov the money you paid Lang and Markov last year. Unless Markov will sign for less money, but I doubt it...

[LeftWinger 4,963]

Please stop it!!

Enough with the Sergei back to the Wings at the deadline talk... do you really think we are going to:

1). Trade within our division?

2). Sign/trade for a guy who in no uncertain terms, told us he didn't want to be here?

3). Trade for another aging veteran that we don't need?

The answer, I think not.

...ie, the Chris Chelios trade in 1998, dude you just described it to a tee. He came from Chicago (within our division,) although he listed Detroit as one of the teams he would waive his no-trade clause for, he was VERY upset when the trade happened, I remember it like it was yesterday. Oh and guess what? He was an aging veteren that we didn't need. Stop hating on Sergei because he pissed you off when he left, dude, you quit living in the past and realize that Sergei can help this team in the short term. Soon enough, Hasek, Lidstrom, Draper and Maltby will ALL be retiring and then the Wings will lose the final pieces of their Stanley Cup core. Lets win a couple more Cups with this team and then rebuild...

...or, better yet, why don't you become GM, then you can attempt all your playstation trades. Even better yet, why don't you just create yourself on this team and score 300 goals and win ALL major awards?

...bottom line, this team was tied for the most points in the NHL, they made it all the way to the Semi's when they weren't supposed to get out of the first round. If you had the playoff scoring of Fedorov and Kozlov, we beat Anaheim AND Ottawa. These guys wil not cost as much as signing a Ryan Smith or Scott Gomez, s*** dude, we have a great crop of young talent that will take this franchise into the next 10 years, but until we flat out lose in the first round or don't even make the playoffs, we don't need a huge overhaul. Feds and Kozzie would add the talent we need to get back to the SCF's. You know it to be true...

Edited June 10, 2007 by LeftWinger

[theman19 47]

it's my earnest wish that kozzie comes back this year, and puts up 70 points so i can rub all you neighsayors nose in it. Have you checked his stats from the last two seasons?

[Kp-Wings 3]

it's my earnest wish that kozzie comes back this year, and puts up 70 points so i can rub all you neighsayors nose in it. Have you checked his stats from the last two seasons?

It's my earnest wish that we never even come to that, and Kenny signs someone else instead.

[RedFX 48]

...Sign Chelios, sign Schneider, sign Hasek, sign Bertuzzi, sign Kozlov, trade Hudler for Fedorov ,then sign your 7th d-man and 13th forward with the money you save by paying both Fedorov and Kozlov the money you paid Lang and Markov last year. Unless Markov will sign for less money, but I doubt it...

That has no chance in hell.

[ShanahanMan 473]

trade Hudler for Fedorov,

what? that couldn't even happen on PS2.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Dainius Zubrus was who I was thinking up. He scored 24 goals this season 61 points, and has good size being 6'3, 212 pounds. While he didn't score any goals with Buffalo during the playoffs this year, his physical play was top class, and I think him and Bertuzzi would form a great line together. He could come for around 2.5 to 3 million also, from what I've heard anyways.

If we resign Cheli and Schneids, we don't need to go after another D-Man unless we go back to sitting Lilja which by the way he played in the playoffs, isn't going to happen. I expect he will get every opportunity to prove himself in October.

Lids

Nick Jr.

Cheli

Lebda

Lilja

Schneids

So if you sign a free agent - who sits? I say give Lilja an opportunity. If he goes back to sucking, then make a trade. But we would be stupid to not give him the chance.

I feel the same, it'll be like hitting reverse. Even its for a good price, its still a roster spot for a type of guy i dont think we need...thats what i value the most.

Agreed. Let the young guys play. There is no future in Kozlov and '06-'07 was his only good year since he left. No thanks. I want to see guys like Hudler, and Filpulla playing.

[Seraph 240]

I think the resurfacing nostalgia about Feds is as annoying as the next guy, but I wanted to add that I think his mentality would be different if he were to come back. Now that the drive to succeed individually is becoming unreachable in his mind, he can actually concentrate on playing for the team rather than worrying about being a star again.

[Guest bullocks]

it's my earnest wish that kozzie comes back this year, and puts up 70 points so i can rub all you neighsayors nose in it. Have you checked his stats from the last two seasons?

yes, and when he gets lazy in the post season and *****'s out from hits, then i'll rub yours in it. personally, i could care less if he got 120 points in the regular season.

[Kp-Wings 3]

If we resign Cheli and Schneids, we don't need to go after another D-Man unless we go back to sitting Lilja which by the way he played in the playoffs, isn't going to happen. I expect he will get every opportunity to prove himself in October.

Lids

Nick Jr.

Cheli

Lebda

Lilja

Schneids

So if you sign a free agent - who sits? I say give Lilja an opportunity. If he goes back to sucking, then make a trade. But we would be stupid to not give him the chance.

Zubrus is a forward, not a defenseman.

[ShanahanMan 473]

yes, and when he gets lazy in the post season and *****'s out from hits, then i'll rub yours in it. personally, i could care less if he got 120 points in the regular season.

you should. Stuff like points tend to matter in hockey.

Edited June 10, 2007 by ShanahanMan

[chrisdetroit 189]

I feel the same, it'll be like hitting reverse. Even its for a good price, its still a roster spot for a type of guy i dont think we need...thats what i value the most.

The one thing that we were missing this year was a guy with a great shot from the slot ala Brett Hull or Shanny. This killed us on the powerplay that pretty much sucked all year and this reared it's ugly head in the playoffs. Is Kozlov that guy? Maybe. According to TSN he has a heavy shot. I don't remember that about him though.

If Kozlov is that guy, I'm ok to get him cheap. Otherwise forget it. Anybody else out there that can fit this bill? NO not Shanny, he's done. Anybody know?

[LeftWinger 4,963]

That has no chance in hell.

..there are lots of chances in hell, and just because you like Hudler doesn't mean it won't happen. Right now he is expendable, it's either him or Filpulla playing, who do you choose? Hudler has a bad case of the Greg Johnson, Stacy Roest syndrome. Too much talent to crack the lineup, if he stays in Detroit, he'll get spot duty until he becomes a UFA, then it's bye bye! Especially with Grigorenko coming over to play and he WILL play in Detroit, at least for the first couple of months. His contract says if he doesn't make the big club he CAN go back to Russia to play, so you can pretty much give him a roster spot. That leaves Hudler and Filpulla.... Choose... I choose filpulla and so does Babcock. Hudler will be packaged and Sergei will be a Wing again.

...The New Russian 5 power play...

Kozlov Datsyuk Grigorenko

Markov Fedorov

...you have to admit that, on paper, looks deadly. Follow it up with Holmstrom, Zetterberg, Bertuzzi, Lidstrom, Schneider. Wow!

...bottom line, Sergei and Slava will HELP this team. Sure we could use MORE grit, but I think we had enough to win the Cup this past year, we just fell short on goals...

[spydrwebb 0]

but I think we had enough to win the Cup this past year, we just fell short on goals...

even teams with the most talent and grit can't overcome this deficiency.

scoring NEEDS to be a priority.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Kozlov would have made no difference in the Anaheim series. If Zetterberg, who by the way blows Kozlov out of the water, couldn't score on Giguere, what makes you think Kozlov would have?

Giguere was, once again, the hot goalie of the playoffs. There's no stopping it. Heatley and Spezza both struggled against him too, and they are also both far better than Kozlov. So please, let's stop kidding ourselves here and say Kozlov would have been the difference maker, because he really wouldn't have been.