Guest bullocks Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Red Wings GM Ken Holland is expected to meet with defenseman Mathieu Schneider's agent, Mike Gillis, before next Friday's NHL Entry Draft, reports the Detroit News. Schneider, 38, can be an unrestricted free agent July 1. He earned $3.3 million last season. The News suggests the Wings will likely pitch Schneider a contract offer when the two sides meet. Meanwhile, Holland is still waiting to hear back from Dominik Hasek's agent, Ritch Winter, about the goaltender's future. "We've played phone tag," Holland told the News. "I expect to hear about Dom's plans by the end of the week." SOURCE: http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/det070613.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 I say sign him, he has a solid year or two left in him barring injury. Hopefully for the hometeam discount... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bullocks Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Hopefully he'll take around like $3 mill...even tho he could get close to $4 i bet on the open market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 He'll be signed by or on Saturday. That's my guess anyways.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Hope your right, the sooner the better...I hate waiting to the last minute. Like Hasek kast year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Hopefully he'll take around like $3 mill...even tho he could get close to $4 i bet on the open market. Schneider could probably get around 5 pretty easily on the open market. There are several worse defensemen than him who make more than that. He should stay for around 3.5 to 4 though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayUp88 1 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Yes bring him back, he doesn't make as much as he should be i believe we should put forward the money for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Heck - last year I was sold on the fact that Eddie Belfour was gonna be between the pipes for us...Dom was certainly a nice surprise! thank God you were wrong! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladinator 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 If Schneider will sign for 3.5 million or less, I would jump at it...if he wants more than that I'd let him walk. Then we can bring in a cheap powerplay specialist and another solid blue-liner to pick up his minutes...I'd possible go as high as 4 million, but that would depend on what Hasek signs for... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 (edited) If Schneider will sign for 3.5 million or less, I would jump at it...if he wants more than that I'd let him walk. Then we can bring in a cheap powerplay specialist and another solid blue-liner to pick up his minutes...I'd possible go as high as 4 million You do realize that blueliners with similar or less than Schneider's talent level and performance have been going for 5-6 million or more on the open market? A couple names of guys I wouldn't trade Schneider for who make that kind of money: Jovanovski, McCabe, Blake, Gonchar Edited June 13, 2007 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Hope your right, the sooner the better...I hate waiting to the last minute. Like Hasek kast year... Holland probably knew well before we did about Hasek last year. At least that's the impression I've gotten from all the quotes. Holland probably has a good idea about all our free agents already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Defenseman with Schneider's abilities are definitely going at a premium right now. Hopefully it's not gonna cost the Wings too much, but it's still gonna be cheaper to keep him than to try and go out and replace him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladinator 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 You do realize that blueliners with similar or less than Schneider's talent level and performance have been going for 5-6 million or more on the open market? A couple names of guys I wouldn't trade Schneider for who make that kind of money: Jovanovski, McCabe, Blake, Gonchar That's fine, let him get that elsewhere if he can. I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. The Wings are well under .500 in playoff games with Schneider in the line-up since he came here, it's not like we've had a lot of success with him (I'm not trying to imply that it is all his fault by any means). A guy like Teppo Numminen could be had for a lot cheaper and could replace Schneider on the powerplay. The rest of his minutes could be split between a lot of other guys that are ready for bigger roles (Kronwall, Lebda, and some of our younger defensemen). Beyond Numminen, there are a lot of other defensemen that could be had for cheaper that could take on Schneider's powerplay role and part of his regular minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 13, 2007 A 3 year deal would be perfect. Schneids is the man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Defenseman with Schneider's abilities are definitely going at a premium right now. Hopefully it's not gonna cost the Wings too much, but it's still gonna be cheaper to keep him than to try and go out and replace him. I'm banking on the fact that he knows his best chance at a cup is in Detroit, and the more generous he is with his salary, the better those chances are going to look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larionov_8 12 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 I agree that Tempo would be a good d-man -- Detroit pursued him over the last few seasons. But let's not discount Schneider's abilities. For all of his reputation as being a defensive dud in the past, his veteran smarts are really key to his good play. Thats why I think that he, similar to Chelios, can keep playing a few more years. I'd say a two year contract would be optimal, but I wouldn't be bothered by 3 years either. Numminen will probably have a few years in him too, but he also has that heart condition...and we've already lost one d-man to a bad heart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Heck - last year I was sold on the fact that Eddie Belfour was gonna be between the pipes for us...Dom was certainly a nice surprise! thank God you were wrong! X2!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dixie Wingslover 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2007 Given his playoff performance, and the iffy nature of the break ( shattered )..... I would think he is a bargain at 2.5-2.7 with solid performance bonuses..... he's not gonna get a ride with a better team to hoist the Cup next year...... I predict Dom will be somewhere between 1.2 and 1.7 with similar performance bonuses to this season, maybe up to $500,000. Bertuzzi numbers Ecklund is throwing around are probably close, think he will be in the same range as Cheli as he is so iffy, probably 1 year with bonuses as well. I am a cheapskate from way back, would rather walk away from a deal than over pay. Besides, the teams that over spend are gonna end up taking it back out of players salaries with the escrow thing.... and don't think they don't realize this when they negotiate these days. Thinking of next year and D men.... anybody know what Steve Macintyre is doing these days? He beat up Big Snake, and at 6'6" and 265 lbs...... a two way with the Griffins for a little enforcer, and some payback on another big-a$$ defenseman is just too too tempting He was with the Mallards last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheWestWing 71 Report post Posted June 14, 2007 I'd give him one year at most, and only with a gun to my head. HighAndWide never seemed on track when he came back from his mid-year injury, and now shattered bones..... 'Veteran Smarts'? Cheli is smart - like a brat - that's his worth. Schneids is getting slower than slow and is becoming more of a D liability. Put Lebda on the PP with Nik - he's the next coming of Jesus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 14, 2007 That's fine, let him get that elsewhere if he can. I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. The Wings are well under .500 in playoff games with Schneider in the line-up since he came here, it's not like we've had a lot of success with him (I'm not trying to imply that it is all his fault by any means). A guy like Teppo Numminen could be had for a lot cheaper and could replace Schneider on the powerplay. The rest of his minutes could be split between a lot of other guys that are ready for bigger roles (Kronwall, Lebda, and some of our younger defensemen). Beyond Numminen, there are a lot of other defensemen that could be had for cheaper that could take on Schneider's powerplay role and part of his regular minutes. I don't anticipate Schneider costing the Wings more than 4m, or 4.5 at the highest. But to say he's not worth even 4m when guys who are worse than him AT BOTH ENDS are getting paid 5, 6, 7 million is a bit of a stretch. Schneider has been a BARGAIN and if Holland ends up keeping him as it looks like he will, will CONTINUE to be a bargain. Numminen made almost as much as Schneider last season, and wasn't nearly as effective offensively. A little comparison: Numminen played 199 minutes on the PP, and posted 12 PP points. Schneider played 362 minutes, and posted 31 PP points. Numminen's rate would have only had him scoring 22 PP points in Schneider's time. So no, Numminen COULDN'T replace Schneider on the PP. Also, consider one important factor: Schneider is likely to sign with Detroit at a significant discount from what he could get on the open market. Numminen isn't. If Numminen is still good enough that considering him as a replacement for Schneider is a viable option, then he should get at the very least 3.75m on the open market. Schneider is likely to return for less than 4.5m. About 500k difference between the two. There are a handful of defensemen in the NHL, period, capable of filling Schneider's shoes when it comes to the PP...and none of them are cheaper FA options this summer. The Anaheim series highlighted just how key Schneider is to the Wings' PP--without him in the lineup, the Ducks could just key on Nick and the Wings couldn't score on the PP. Numminen doesn't bring anywhere near the same kind of threat that Schneider does. Despite the general feeling, Schneider is not nearly as huge a defensive liability as he's made out to be. He's never going to be considered one of the league's best defensive defensemen, but he can certainly be considered above average in his own end. If possible, I would like to see Holland bring back the entire D unit we had this season--Lidstrom/Markov, Schneider/Kronwall, Lebda/Chelios, and Lilja. Best group in the league, plenty of grit and snarl, good quickness, plenty of offense, and stifling defensive play. The Wings are well under .500 in playoff games with Schneider in the line-up since he came here, it's not like we've had a lot of success with him . The Wings are 15-18 in the postseason with Schneider. Guess what? They're 17-22 in the postseason with Zetterberg. That must mean Zetterberg drags the team down even more in the playoffs than Schneider does! (I'm not trying to imply that it is all his fault by any means) Then why even bring it up? That's like saying 'Lidstrom didn't win the Norris in 00 or 04, and Bush won the election both those years.' The only reason to bring up something in that fashion is to imply that correlation=causation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 14, 2007 But we will get him for what I hope is half what he could get on the open market... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladinator 0 Report post Posted June 14, 2007 (edited) I don't anticipate Schneider costing the Wings more than 4m, or 4.5 at the highest. But to say he's not worth even 4m when guys who are worse than him AT BOTH ENDS are getting paid 5, 6, 7 million is a bit of a stretch. Schneider has been a BARGAIN and if Holland ends up keeping him as it looks like he will, will CONTINUE to be a bargain. Numminen made almost as much as Schneider last season, and wasn't nearly as effective offensively. A little comparison: Numminen played 199 minutes on the PP, and posted 12 PP points. Schneider played 362 minutes, and posted 31 PP points. Numminen's rate would have only had him scoring 22 PP points in Schneider's time. So no, Numminen COULDN'T replace Schneider on the PP. Also, consider one important factor: Schneider is likely to sign with Detroit at a significant discount from what he could get on the open market. Numminen isn't. If Numminen is still good enough that considering him as a replacement for Schneider is a viable option, then he should get at the very least 3.75m on the open market. Schneider is likely to return for less than 4.5m. About 500k difference between the two. There are a handful of defensemen in the NHL, period, capable of filling Schneider's shoes when it comes to the PP...and none of them are cheaper FA options this summer. The Anaheim series highlighted just how key Schneider is to the Wings' PP--without him in the lineup, the Ducks could just key on Nick and the Wings couldn't score on the PP. Numminen doesn't bring anywhere near the same kind of threat that Schneider does. Despite the general feeling, Schneider is not nearly as huge a defensive liability as he's made out to be. He's never going to be considered one of the league's best defensive defensemen, but he can certainly be considered above average in his own end. If possible, I would like to see Holland bring back the entire D unit we had this season--Lidstrom/Markov, Schneider/Kronwall, Lebda/Chelios, and Lilja. Best group in the league, plenty of grit and snarl, good quickness, plenty of offense, and stifling defensive play. I didn't say that he wasn't worth the money, just that I wouldn't pay him that with the cap in place & our current situation. Yes, Schneider had more points than Numminen, but was Numminen playing with Nick Lidstrom? EVERY defenseman in the league would see their numbers increase if they were paired with Lidstrom on the powerplay. Besides that, the Anaheim series really highlighted a weakness in Detroit's powerplay strategy. They look for the point shot FAR TOO MUCH. Their whole powerplay is based around the point shot, which (IMO) is a flawed strategy. I'm not saying to ignore the point shot, but they really need to work the play down low more often. If the loss of 1 player (who isn't even our best powerplay defenseman) completely negates our powerplay, then we have a problem in strategy because that should NEVER be the case. Edited June 14, 2007 by Vladinator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 15, 2007 Besides that, the Anaheim series really highlighted a weakness in Detroit's powerplay strategy. They look for the point shot FAR TOO MUCH. Their whole powerplay is based around the point shot, which (IMO) is a flawed strategy. I'm not saying to ignore the point shot, but they really need to work the play down low more often. If the loss of 1 player (who isn't even our best powerplay defenseman) completely negates our powerplay, then we have a problem in strategy because that should NEVER be the case. It wasn't so much that the loss of Schneider negated the PP. It was that without Schneider's shot, Anaheim could key on Lidstrom and leave Samuelsson relatively unguarded. This meant the Ducks could pretty much shut down any offense from the point. Part of the blame for that falls to Babcock; he should have either used a more talented player than Samuelsson, or adapted the system to involve more puck movement down low rather than load up Nick's point shots and keep hammering away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Our special teams need work. Keeping Matty is a good start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
