Brodeur Quits Committee

[WingNut199 0]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2918344

Thought this was interesting because I guess I never really thought the goalies needed more "protection"

[Hank 0]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2918344

Thought this was interesting because I guess I never really thought the goalies needed more "protection"

Retraction:

I understand what Brodeur is saying in regards to protecting players running the crease, but in a lot of cases, it's the dmen that throw forwards into their goalies.

P.S. Goalies are notorious for exaggerating what they feel is necessary for a safe work environment. Afterall, Giggy thinks his bloated pads are essential to protect him and not the net. That's a load of BS and everyone in and outside of hockey knows it.

Goalies will push their agendas for their own benefit well before they make any decisions that are best for the game, the league or the fans.

I don't know one fan out there that likes the current state of the goalie eqiupment. It's rediculous.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Hank

[Guest jaytan]

If he's so worried his safety, maybe it's time for the guy to retire.

[WingNut199 0]

The biggest this for me is how easily a goalie gets shooken up after being knocked over. I mean, they have TONS of pads on when they fall gently on their backs (meaning the worst impact is almost always less than the average check against the boards), then 3 minutes later they're perfectly okay.

And another thing, how many times do you see a goalie fall over and need to stop play for 3 minutes after just being hit on the helmet with a stick? A lot. But why can a goalie take a 90mph slapshot to the helmet and not miss a beat?

Edited June 27, 2007 by WingNut199

[Vladinator 0]

Brodeur is 100% right.

Goalies get ran far more in hockey these days than they did in the past...

Also, defensemen aren't allowed to do crap about it. Defensemen need to be allowed to clear the crease, or the NHL needs to adapt a rule similar to the 3-second rule from the nba...

[Gordie Howe hat trick 110]

I have always felt that you do not touch an opponent's goalie for any reason. Sure defenders sometimes throw people into them and that is understood. But just piling into the net like some players do is just nuts to try and justify. I think if we got rind of the instigator rule teams would do a better job than the refs can of protecting goalies.

I also agree that if you decide to hang out in the crease you should get a fair share of punishment, I know Homer wouldn't complain he does take his at times.

[Dixie Wingslover 0]

I think where the confusion is coming from.... is that Martin is saying 'protection' instead of 'enforcement'

In the past, when players were not at all allowed in the crease, the new standard often sees players making contact with goaltenders or having two skates in the crease when a goal is scored

Holmstrom literally spent years honing his game so that he can play as close to the crease as possible without bein IN the crease. In the past, goals had been disallowed if someone had a foot in the crease. Let alone some of the beatings I have seen Dom and other goalies take..... remember a certain goal that pushed the goalie over the line????? and the guy was in the crease? If the existing rules were enforced.... that one would never have counted. In the new rules, goalies have been restricted to a smaller playing area...... it only makes sense that the refs should be more aware of who is in the crease, and what they are doing there. But they are not. I tend to agree with his frustration.

I have always felt that you do not touch an opponent's goalie for any reason. Sure defenders sometimes throw people into them and that is understood. But just piling into the net like some players do is just nuts to try and justify. I think if we got rind of the instigator rule teams would do a better job than the refs can of protecting goalies.

I also agree that if you decide to hang out in the crease you should get a fair share of punishment, I know Homer wouldn't complain he does take his at times.

Getting rid of the instigator rule would go a long way toward helping to police that garbage. And for the most part, Homer takes punishement when he is NOT in the crease. The vast majority of the time he is just outside the crease. Unless a defenseman helps him in.... which is rarely.

It is also my opinion that this running of the goalie crap correlates directly to the implemetation of the insitgator rule. Before, almost never..... since, all the time.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Dixie Wingslover

[Gordie Howe hat trick 110]

I have always felt that you do not touch an opponent's goalie for any reason. Sure defenders sometimes throw people into them and that is understood. But just piling into the net like some players do is just nuts to try and justify. I think if we got rind of the instigator rule teams would do a better job than the refs can of protecting goalies.

I also agree that if you decide to hang out in the crease you should get a fair share of punishment, I know Homer wouldn't complain he does take his at times.

I would like to ammend this statement, I meant the Slot and not the actual crease It is a goal crease for a reason

[hockey&beer 16]

Brodeur is 100% right.

Goalies get ran far more in hockey these days than they did in the past...

Also, defensemen aren't allowed to do crap about it. Defensemen need to be allowed to clear the crease, or the NHL needs to adapt a rule similar to the 3-second rule from the nba...

The problem is that the D-man can only "clear the crease" by backing the opposition into the goaler. Yes the days are gone that a D-man can nudge, slash, or cross-check a man from in front of the crease and ALL have adapted to pushing the man into the crease hoping that when the shot comes, the forward has already made contact and the zebra's arm is up.

Tenders, although needing protection because they cannot concentrate on the puck and all the players at the same time, take advantage of the rules as they stand now anyways. Be it flopping (Hasek), mask flying off (Roloson in last years P.O. run), running "interference" behind the net (Turco, Brodeur, Miller... et al). Refs need to start calling D-men for pushing players in, consistantly calling tenders for embellishment, and simply pay attention to what is going on in front of the net. There are 4 refs out there and none can see that as a shot comes in from the point, headed towards the net, Roy cranks Homer in the twig and berries!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited June 27, 2007 by hockey&beer

[poolerman 0]

Retraction:

I understand what Brodeur is saying in regards to protecting players running the crease, but in a lot of cases, it's the dmen that throw forwards into their goalies.

P.S. Goalies are notorious for exaggerating what they feel is necessary for a safe work environment. Afterall, Giggy thinks his bloated pads are essential to protect him and not the net. That's a load of BS and everyone in and outside of hockey knows it.

Goalies will push their agendas for their own benefit well before they make any decisions that are best for the game, the league or the fans.

I don't know one fan out there that likes the current state of the goalie eqiupment. It's rediculous.

Marty ya big baby...look at the films of Smith and Hexstall...you have a goalie stick use it

when someone'scoming off the wing going todo the full charge..lift your stick up..hold it point first where he'sgoing to crash and after they take him off the ice you will have some respect..protect yourself..suspension -time off big deal

the guy crashing just missed losing an eye.. will think twice..

by the way Marty..time to cut down on the pads...the trapper by 20 % at least and no more cheaters on the trappers.

cut down on goalies shoulder pads also..they for protection not to block out the sun.

[Gordie Howe hat trick 110]

I agree totaly that pad size has gotten way out of control, I think people wouldnt call for bigger nets if the pad problem was solved. But like I did say earlier players crashing into them needs to be solved. Brodur would be correct to argue that point, but not to attempt to justify the pads.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Marty ya big baby...look at the films of Smith and Hexstall...you have a goalie stick use it

when someone'scoming off the wing going todo the full charge..lift your stick up..hold it point first where he'sgoing to crash and after they take him off the ice you will have some respect..protect yourself..suspension -time off big deal

the guy crashing just missed losing an eye.. will think twice..

So you condone a similar action then when Ed Belfour chopped Martin Lapointe in the groin during the 1998 Detroit-Dallas playoff series?

And I can't wait to see how this thread is going to relate to Brodeur being "overrated".

[Izzy24 44]

The biggest this for me is how easily a goalie gets shooken up after being knocked over. I mean, they have TONS of pads on when they fall gently on their backs (meaning the worst impact is almost always less than the average check against the boards), then 3 minutes later they're perfectly okay.

And another thing, how many times do you see a goalie fall over and need to stop play for 3 minutes after just being hit on the helmet with a stick? A lot. But why can a goalie take a 90mph slapshot to the helmet and not miss a beat?

How many times have you seen a goalie "take a 90mph slapshot to the helmet and not miss a beat?" Goalie helmets offer quite a bit of protection, but I can assure you a 45mph shot to the head sucks.

[Guest jaytan]

I have no problem with forwards crashing goalies a little bit.... As long as defencemen are allowed to give them a taste of their own medicine and there's no roadblocks to fighting.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I have no problem with forwards crashing goalies a little bit.... As long as defencemen are allowed to give them a taste of their own medicine and there's no roadblocks to fighting.

I think the crease crashing has gotten out of hand in recent years. Goals are so hard to come by in the playoffs, as is any shot from the slot, so bulldozing your way into the goaltender has become an effective way to score.

The goalies have a lot of pads, but they're sitting ducks. I wouldn't want to be inthe butterfly position and have a 200 lbs guy slam into me.

[Production Line 1]

I think the crease crashing has gotten out of hand in recent years. Goals are so hard to come by in the playoffs, as is any shot from the slot, so bulldozing your way into the goaltender has become an effective way to score.

The goalies have a lot of pads, but they're sitting ducks. I wouldn't want to be inthe butterfly position and have a 200 lbs guy slam into me.

I agree with what you say. It used to be players would slow up as they came to the net, now some don't. Its kinda hard to play your game if you are a butterfly goalie knowng while your down some 200 lb player is crashing or falling on your knee. I can't believe how many players crash the goalie in recent years. A little tug from a d man and they plow into them...a 4 min minor to the crashee and a 2 min minor to the d man could and would take alot of that out of the game..Now Ii your like Homer putting his butt in the goalies face you better be willing to take the stickwork of him. But that does not concern the goalies health, he just does'nt want a goal slip by him unseen. I could go on and on about this subject. Again this is all I.M.O.

[poolerman 0]

So you condone a similar action then when Ed Belfour chopped Martin Lapointe in the groin during the 1998 Detroit-Dallas playoff series?

And I can't wait to see how this thread is going to relate to Brodeur being "overrated".

Eddy was making a point...we scored

Marty wasn't running eddy he was blocking his view... Eddy was asking him to move

My objection is to guys just crashing the net..maybe it's time to bury the posts again and players

will choose charge the net and run the goalie...or miss and break my legs..

players are going to the net with next to no penalty