Kulfan's list of remaining forward options

[OsGOD 3]

Hmmm.... Yashin for 4mill or Bertuzzi for 4mill

Holland you are a Dumbass if you do this!

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-vo1OVYcyY

there used to be a good clip of Yzerman and Cheli getting into it too (when Cheli was still a Hawk), but I couldn't find it anymore.

Stevie beat up Lalor. When Yzerman went down fighting Maguire , Probert came over and started beating the holy hell outta him. Great clips harold , thanks for those!

I have 2 of the Cheli/Yzerman fights saved on my computer , those 2 used to go all out at each other.

Edit: Man , Probert was firing punches at anyone that was close to him , I miss the good ole' days!

And check it out , Stevie fighting with Bruins fans

Edited July 9, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[Kp-Wings 3]

I will hate Ken Holland for life if he did this. That would be considered unforgivable, especially a 4 million a season.

Wow, I have to say. I questioned Ken Holland before, but this is ridiculous. A lazy, under-achieving forward for 4 million a season? What the f*** is that about?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

On the contrary , Stevies been a couple scraps over his career. That just added to his grittyness. Zetterbergs past 2 playoffs proved he has grit in him. Datsyuk is just a feisty little bugger , I swear I saw him swinging at Pahlsson a couple times during the Anaheim series

So yeah , Euros arent soft. There are a couple who are , we dont have any on the wings though.

Maybe by the time Zetterberg or Datsyuk are 40 years old, theyll have had the two token fights that Yzerman was a part of.

At any rate, I would agree on average that Europeans are softer than North Americans, but European hockey itself isnt a rough and tumble game. I have no doubt that if a European player began playing in the States when he was, say, 10, that hed more likely be a gritty player. Thats how you survive for the most part in North American hockey. Its a primitive thought process to think that there is something in the blood of direct descendent Europeans that makes them "soft". Hell, Europeans have some of the most barbaric history in the world. This is a common misconception that stems from the fact that most enforcers are North American.

Franzen is probably one of our toughest forwards. Markov was our toughest Dmen. And all in all, hockey is becoming less and less about the extreme ends where you see pure enforcers and creme puff skilled forwards and more and more about the lunch pail and hard hat type player, which the Red Wings are full of.

...I love how people are calling Holland a dumbass for this rumor.

...When the real dumbasses are those who didnt even bother to read the article which says NOTHING about Holland having interest in Yashin at 4M per.

[Wingfan191 2]

I would love it if the Wings signed Yashin to a one year deal at less than 3 mil just to see what he can do. Most of you who bash him to no end are just clueless as to how good of a player he is and can be. You hear ONE negative thing about him from like 6 years ago and you he's all of a sudden a "lazy" "worthless" player. You need to open your freakin eyes and realize that this is a type of player who could do VERY well on Detroit.

He's NOT lazy for one, get that out of your head right now. Do ANY of you actually look at his stats and what he's accomplished or do you just make a brash decision based upon what you "heard" from some forum members?

I checked his stats and was AMAZED at how many pts he actually put up. I kept thinking he was only getting like 40 to 50 every season which is why everyone was saying he was such a lazy ass. But then you actually look and he's almost a pt a game player. He also stays relatively healthy. I never knew he had 4 consecutive 82 game seasons with Ottawa and almost did it again with the Isles. He's had 2 of his past 4 seasons cut a bit short due to injury, but he's not injury prone.

He's a big center with skill and we need some size up front. A one year deal will not f*** up the Wings system or team regardless of what he does. And if you'd notice, look at who he had to play with on the Isles and how much better he made those guys seem. I thought Kvasha was gonna be the next big thing and when he was traded I picked him up on my fantasy teams expecting him to be top line wing and score 40 goals, and yet, it never happened and now he's lucky to make a line up. Same with Hunter, Czerkawski, and Blake (Blake is not scoring anywhere near 40 next season on the Leafs, he'll max out at like 23).

Make our top line Filppula, Zatta, and Homer with Yashin, Datsyuk and Igor the 2nd line. Yashin and Pavel can switch off for faceoffs and can mix and match positions since they're both natural centers. Build Igor's confidence a bit by playing with 2 good players. He might put up great numbers this year, but could be expected to produce a bit lower next season if we let Yashin go or he moves to a different line.

Yeah, and where does this nut job stuff come from? Why, because he held out a year due to him thinking he deserved to paid more cause he was a star player back in 1999? He WAS a star player for the Sens back then and he should've been paid whatever he ended up getting, he did deserve it. Also, take into account that the season before AND after he held out, he STILL finished 1st on the team in pts. He didn't phone it in after getting the big raise. Since then what has come out that makes him seem lazy and a bad player? I don't recall anything off the top of my head. He seems to keep his mouth shut, he doesn't blame anyone, he sounded very sincere when talking about the Isles organization after they bought him out.

Here are his stats from the past 11 seasons...

96-97 Ott 82gp 35g 40a 75 pts

97-98 Ott 82gp 33g 39a 72 pts

98-99 Ott 82gp 44g 50a 94 pts

99-00 Held out

00-01 Ott 82gp 40g 48a 88 pts

01-02 NYI 78gp 32g 43a 75 pts

02-03 NYI 81gp 26g 39a 65 pts

03-04 NYI 47gp 15g 19a 34 pts

04-05 NYI No season

05-06 NYI 82gp 28g 38a 66 pts

06-07 NYI 58gp 18g 32a 50 pts

So out of the past 9 seasons in which he played, he's missed only parts of 2 due to an injury and has still put up good numbers. I think his worst season was 02-03 when he played 81 games and only put up 65 pts and yet he still led his team in pts that year by 10, as Blake finished with 55. That team was pretty s***ty that year as well.

The guy can still play and put up big numbers. Now put him on a team where he's not the #1 player and isn't expected to be and let's see how much more relaxed he can be. Hell, if he puts up 65 pts in 80 games for Detroit, I'd be thrilled.

Edited July 9, 2007 by Wingfan191

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Robert Lang puts up decent numbers each season too, and he is a hard worker compared to Yashin. If we wanted a lazy, unmotivated second line center, we should have just re-signed Lang. I don't understand how by just putting on a Red Wings uniform will inspire Yashin to drop his laziness and play with some effort. Just because Yashin has on the winged wheel doesn't mean he automatically comes equipped with Dan Cleary's work ethic. Yashin is worse than Lang and not worth signing for any price tag. I don't want him here for four million, one million, or 100 dollars. Hopefully, Holland feels the same way.

Edited July 9, 2007 by GoWings1905

[Guest REDWINGS4LYFE]

I think he will mesh in perfectly, but pay him 2.2 million and sign foreskin for 3 million we got the cup

[Wingfan191 2]

Robert Lang puts up decent numbers each season too, and he is a hard worker compared to Yashin. If we wanted a lazy, unmotivated second line center, we should have just re-signed Lang. I don't understand how by just putting on a Red Wings uniform will inspire Yashin to drop his laziness and play with some effort. Just because Yashin has on the winged wheel doesn't mean he automatically comes equipped with Dan Cleary's work ethic. Yashin is worse than Lang and not worth signing for any price tag. I don't want him here for four million, one million, or 100 dollars. Hopefully, Holland feels the same way.

How can you POSSIBLY say Yashin is worse than Lang!??! Is this some bizzaro world I'm in?!? Holy s*** people, open your eyes and look at what the guy has done and who he was surrounded by. Lang put up big numbers for one reason only, Jagr. Yashin has never had that kind of help on his teams. He's had like one or two off seasons where he's played over 78 games and only put up 65 pts, boo hoo. Every player has that happen to them. And like I was saying, he doesn't need to be the super star like in New York. He won't be captain, he won't have to lead anyone, he can relax and have fun with some young talented players. We need a forward, regardless, and he's potentially the best bang for the buck. He gets 2.2 mil from the Isles, and no where have I heard except on message boards like these (with no source) that he's demanding a high pay day to sign somewhere. He knows he's not getting it. You would have to be ******* stupid to pass him up at 2 to 3 mil for ONE season. Especially when we have 6 mil left in cap space and we're not getting any other "star" player.

Edited July 9, 2007 by Wingfan191

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Robert Lang puts up decent numbers each season too, and he is a hard worker compared to Yashin. If we wanted a lazy, unmotivated second line center, we should have just re-signed Lang. I don't understand how by just putting on a Red Wings uniform will inspire Yashin to drop his laziness and play with some effort. Just because Yashin has on the winged wheel doesn't mean he automatically comes equipped with Dan Cleary's work ethic. Yashin is worse than Lang and not worth signing for any price tag. I don't want him here for 4 million, one million, or 100 dollars. Hopefully, Holland feels the same way.

Wrong. Yashin is not a lazy player when compared to Lang. And hell be playing on a one year contract regardless of where he goes in order to rectify his reputation. Lang ran off with 4M and will retire in a Hawks jersey. You obviously didnt watch him under Nolan this year, because he was a much more motivated player, even with having to play with his old demons and no other decent forwards.

And I love the comments you make about Dan Cleary and his "work ethic". That "work ethic", ironically, didnt come about until he put on a Wings jersey. Nearly the entire first decade of his career - yes, nearly 10 years - Dan Cleary had a piss poor attitude and work ethic. The only reason he made something of himself on the Wings is because he needed to create a new reputation of himself, which has worked out well for both parties.

Now, does anyone expect Yashin to be a completely new player regardless of which team he plays for next year? Absolutely not, but most comments Ive heard about Yashin on this board so far have been completely misinformed. He IS a nice guy. He is NOT a locker room cancer. He is NOT as lazy as Robert Lang, and the list keeps growing. Nobody expects him to be a gritty guy - he is a soft player - but he would be a more potent attacker than was Robert Lang while being younger and faster than Lang. He is somebody that will thrive when he is not expected to be the captain and savior of his team, ironically, just as was a help to Dan Cleary after being expected to be a top 6 NHL stud.

That being said, 4M was too much for Lang and Bertuzzi, its too much for Yashin as well. 3M max is all Id give him.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

How can you POSSIBLY say Yashin is worse than Lang!??! Is this some bizzaro world I'm in?!? Holy s*** people, open your eyes and look at what the guy has done and who he was surrounded by. Lang put up big numbers for one reason only, Jagr. Yashin has never had that kind of help on his teams. He's had like one or two off seasons where he's played over 78 games and only put up 55 pts, boo hoo. Every player has that happen to them. And like I was saying, he doesn't need to be the super star like in New York. He won't be captain, he won't have to lead anyone, he can relax and have fun with some young talented players. We need a forward, regardless, and he's potentially the best bang for the buck. He gets 2.2 mil from the Isles, and no where have I heard except on message boards like these (with no source) that he's demanding a high pay day to sign somewhere. He knows he's not getting it. You would have to be ******* stupid to pass him up at 2 to 3 mil for ONE season. Especially when we have 6 mil left in cap space and we're not getting any other "star" player.

Why do the Red Wings need someone right NOW? They are easily going to win their division, and if need be they save the cap space and add a real impact forward at the trade deadline. Lets give guys like Filppula, Hudler, and maybe Grigorenko a chance to show what they can do with an increased role next season. If these guys don't get a chance now, when will they ever? Sure, Yashin has great career stats, but he's not the guy he is now that he was during those massive point seasons. As much as I hate to say it, I would rather have Forsberg than Yashin. I guarantee after a couple of shifts, Yashin would be hated more on here than Lang in his prime.

[Guest Lebda4Pres]

96-97 Ott 82gp 35g 40a 75 pts

97-98 Ott 82gp 33g 39a 72 pts

98-99 Ott 82gp 44g 50a 94 pts

99-00 Held out

00-01 Ott 82gp 40g 48a 88 pts

01-02 NYI 78gp 32g 43a 75 pts

02-03 NYI 81gp 26g 39a 65 pts

03-04 NYI 47gp 15g 19a 34 pts

04-05 NYI No season

05-06 NYI 82gp 28g 38a 66 pts

06-07 NYI 58gp 18g 32a 50 pts

If you look once he signed with NYI his points went wayt down just like langs did when he came to detroit. I think yashin would be a good fit on a team with talent and a serious attitude and a chance at teh cup. I think if he signs with us you could see his numbers come back up

[Zion 93]

Yashin will not play here. I promise.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Yashin will not play here. I promise.

I hope you're right.

Why does everybody think playing for the Red Wings will completely change Yashin's attitude? Why? Are the Wings all of a sudden made of magic that can turn even the worst of attitudes into star players? I guess by that logic we should sign every lazy, greedy, and no-work ethic player in the league and they will all of a sudden start playing good, because their on the Wings roster. Uh huh, that's how it is.

The comments I'm seeing here are pathetic. I'm going to say it again: If Ted Nolan, the ultimate motivational coach, can't motivate you, then who in the flying f*** can?

I won't deny Yashin's talent. He is a very talented player. But so is Robert Lang. Now that we got rid of Lang, why bother signing another guy who doesn't maximize his talents to his full potential? I don't get it.

If Yashin must be signed, then let the lazy fatass work for his money, by signing him to an incentive laden contract. Don't give him anything above 2 million, otherwise he'll go into auto-pilot mode, just like he's been for the last 5 years.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Yashin will not play here. I promise.

I dearly hope you are right about this.

[Offsides 21]

96-97 Ott 82gp 35g 40a 75 pts

97-98 Ott 82gp 33g 39a 72 pts

98-99 Ott 82gp 44g 50a 94 pts

99-00 Held out

00-01 Ott 82gp 40g 48a 88 pts

01-02 NYI 78gp 32g 43a 75 pts

02-03 NYI 81gp 26g 39a 65 pts

03-04 NYI 47gp 15g 19a 34 pts

04-05 NYI No season

05-06 NYI 82gp 28g 38a 66 pts

06-07 NYI 58gp 18g 32a 50 pts

If you look once he signed with NYI his points went wayt down just like langs did when he came to detroit. I think yashin would be a good fit on a team with talent and a serious attitude and a chance at teh cup. I think if he signs with us you could see his numbers come back up

You are using my signature. hmmmm

Edited July 9, 2007 by Offsides

[Guest Crymson]

Now that it has been established that the above info about Yashin is untrue, perhaps this post should be removed or altered.

Edit: edited.

Edited July 9, 2007 by Crymson

[Matt 1,049]

This thread is based on misinformation and should be deleted in any event.

Should I really have to warn you twice to refrain from dictating what should and should not be posted here?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Should I really have to warn you twice to refrain from dictating what should and should not be posted here?

Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!

[esteef 2,679]

dont get me wrong, i dont think Yashin is the sollution. but it seems like every remaining UFA has some question marks.

lets get a few things straight.................

#1. no one, and i mean no one, including Yashins camp, believe that hes going to get 4 million from any NHL team. hes already getting upwards of 2 mil from the isles and adding another 4 mil would suggest hes a top flight center.........even Yashin himself could admit that he is most certainly not worth that. if the man really wants to play in the NHL next season he cant ask for more than 2 mil or hes out of luck. so dont worry about us selling the farm for this guy

#2. hes played on crap teams his whole career where hes been expected to be the heavenly savior each time. no one can live up to un-atainable goals. im open to the idea of giving him a shot on a winning team that has a chance at the cup

#3. im struggling to see how our 2nd line looks better as it is right now (and im including every possible combo that people have suggested) than it would with a talented center capable of putting up solid #'s. call him a cancer in the locker room but i dont think he can break the resolve of the players we already have there.

#4. say what you want about Lang. yes he was lazy and he sucks..........but he scored 20 goals, including some big goals in the playoffs, and those need to be replaced somehow. without a legit 2nd line center we are in trouble even without possible injuries.

so im just trying to say that it will be a gamble no matter who we sign and it wont be the end of the world if it ends up being Yashin

Agree all the way around. I'm not sitting here with my fingers crossed hoping for Yashin, but for the right price and on the right team, he could end up being this year's Cleary, and at the very least, replace what we lost in Lang (if anything).

Cheers!

esteef

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

...Hmmm, just as I thought. Yashin, born in Europe, has an accent, sure he weighs over 200, but plays like he's 125...

...Lets see, if both Yashin and Comrie are cancer in the room, then I guess I was right about Holland and the reason he wasn't interested in Comire. He wasn't born in Europe, he doesn't speak with an accent, he likes to hit and won't shy away from the physical play. What about Yashin makes him different? Oh yeah, $4MM will be more than Comrie is making and would've made here in Detroit. Now tell me I am making this crap up!!!!

...if Holland give Yashin $4MM and passed on Comrie for $3.5MM then Holland should be slapped... (and fired)

...Comrie is better than Yashin...

[Guest Crymson]

Should I really have to warn you twice to refrain from dictating what should and should not be posted here?

I didn't see you the first time.

You misunderstand me in any event, but I did phrase it badly.

[OsGOD 3]

So did Roenick ever Retire?

if not

SIGN 'EM KENNY!

Edited July 9, 2007 by OsGOD

[#1redwingfan 0]

Maybe by the time Zetterberg or Datsyuk are 40 years old, theyll have had the two token fights that Yzerman was a part of.

At any rate, I would agree on average that Europeans are softer than North Americans, but European hockey itself isnt a rough and tumble game. I have no doubt that if a European player began playing in the States when he was, say, 10, that hed more likely be a gritty player. Thats how you survive for the most part in North American hockey. Its a primitive thought process to think that there is something in the blood of direct descendent Europeans that makes them "soft". Hell, Europeans have some of the most barbaric history in the world. This is a common misconception that stems from the fact that most enforcers are North American.

Franzen is probably one of our toughest forwards. Markov was our toughest Dmen. And all in all, hockey is becoming less and less about the extreme ends where you see pure enforcers and creme puff skilled forwards and more and more about the lunch pail and hard hat type player, which the Red Wings are full of.

...I love how people are calling Holland a dumbass for this rumor.

...When the real dumbasses are those who didnt even bother to read the article which says NOTHING about Holland having interest in Yashin at 4M per.

Thank you for posting this, it was satisfying to read. It is extremely accurate in comparison to some of the other ignorant posts that are in the thread.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Lets give guys like Filppula, Hudler, and maybe Grigorenko a chance to show what they can do with an increased role next season. If these guys don't get a chance now, when will they ever?

Exactly. Let the kids play and see what happens.

[Guest Crymson]

Exactly. Let the kids play and see what happens.

Agreed. We tried this last season and it worked quite well.