BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 http://www.atlantathrashers.com/View.aspx?...07-88b7aec1534d Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 He's making 1.336m/yr for the next 3 years I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 the most interesting thing i saw on that page was there hosting the all star game next other than that 1.336 mil sounds like a good price for a player like him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted July 17, 2007 Damn....I wanted him more than any other d-man out there. Pickens are gettin' slim now.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 s***. Well , Minnesota still hasent signed Foster, I'd take him too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tipetz22 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) the most interesting thing i saw on that page was there hosting the all star game next other than that 1.336 mil sounds like a good price for a player like him I know, I am trying to go Edited July 17, 2007 by tipetz22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 It it is for 1.36 mil, what is Markov going to say now? I want Markov back: Lids - Markov Rafalski - Quincy Chelios - Lebda Lilja This is at the end of the season when Kronner is on the IR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted July 17, 2007 This is at the end of the season when Kronner is on the IR. Sad, but true.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 I just don't want to sign any more defensemen because that would force Lilja to be the odd man out. Isn't it crazy that absolutely NOBODY hates Lilja anymore? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 I just don't want to sign any more defensemen because that would force Lilja to be the odd man out. Isn't it crazy that absolutely NOBODY hates Lilja anymore? That is why we need to trade him IMMEDIATELY. His stock is higher than ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icer 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) That is why we need to trade him IMMEDIATELY. His stock is higher than ever. They can't. They already lost Lang. Who will be the scapegoat if Lilja gets traded? I suppose LGW could go back to blaming Osgood for everything but that's tough to do when he spends most of the season on the bench. Edited July 17, 2007 by Icer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mickeyisms Rule! 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 They can't. They already lost Lang. Who will be the scapegoat if Lilja gets traded? I suppose LGW could go back to blaming Osgood for everything but that's tough to do when he spends most of the season on the bench. Mikael "I shoot at goalies, not goals" Samuelsson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 That is why we need to trade him IMMEDIATELY. His stock is higher than ever. Even if Lilja's stock is high like you claim, what do you honestly think the Red Wings are going to get better in return? Lilja is a number six or seven defensemen, even with his solid playoff performance. That top six forward we need isn't coming in exchange for Lilja. I would be curious to know as why you think trading Lilja would accomplish anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 Even if Lilja's stock is high like you claim, what do you honestly think the Red Wings are going to get better in return? Lilja is a number six or seven defensemen, even with his solid playoff performance. That top six forward we need isn't coming in exchange for Lilja. I would be curious to know as why you think trading Lilja would accomplish anything. Hey Bro, don't put words in my mouth. There is no way Lilja's stock is objectively high, but it is relatively high (relative to him). I think there are a number of teams that could use Lilja in a much greater capacity. Think about how many minutes he logged in the playoffs. If we could trade him for picks/prospects, then we've lost some salary and can use that now or later. Addition by subtraction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 We could trade Lilja, we'll still have a scapegoat in Sammy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 sammy is going to be the whipping boy this year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
German Red Wing 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 s***. Well , Minnesota still hasent signed Foster, I'd take him too. Err... Just for the record, Foster has been re-signed by the Wild today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) Hey Bro, don't put words in my mouth. There is no way Lilja's stock is objectively high, but it is relatively high (relative to him). I think there are a number of teams that could use Lilja in a much greater capacity. Think about how many minutes he logged in the playoffs. If we could trade him for picks/prospects, then we've lost some salary and can use that now or later. Addition by subtraction. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk when I posted that, but trading Lilja still doesn't sound like a good move to me. Unless we know for sure that one of the young guys is ready to step-in and play full time on defense, Lilja is still needed as the 6th or 7th defensemen for next season. Lets assume Kronwall gets hurt, which is pretty certain. Then we would be left with Lidstrom, Rafalski, Chelios, and Lebda as the top four. No Lilja means that two of the four: Quincey, Meech, Kindl, and Ericsson, are going to be playing on a regular basis. Quincey may be able to handle it, but the other three might not. Besides, Chelios needs to play limited minutes in the regular season to keep him strong for the playoffs. As much as Lilja got ripped on here (myself included) before the playoff run last season, I think he proved that he is deserving of at least a chance to be in the Red Wings lineup every night. If they did trade Lilja, it would be imperative to get another depth defensemen in return, or to sign one of the remaining free agents. If Markov for some reason comes back, then trading Lilja would be more realistic, but at this point it doesn't seem to make much sense. Edited July 17, 2007 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2007 Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk when I posted that, but trading Lilja still doesn't sound like a good move to me. Unless we know for sure that one of the young guys is ready to step-in and play full time on defense, Lilja is still needed as the 6th or 7th defensemen for next season. Lets assume Kronwall gets hurt, which is pretty certain. Then we would be left with Lidstrom, Rafalski, Chelios, and Lebda as the top four. No Lilja means that two of the four: Quincey, Meech, Kindl, and Ericsson, are going to be playing on a regular basis. Quincey may be able to handle it, but the other three might not. Besides, Chelios needs to play limited minutes in the regular season to keep him strong for the playoffs. As much as Lilja got ripped on here (myself included) before the playoff run last season, I think he proved that he is deserving of at least a chance to be in the Red Wings lineup every night. If they did trade Lilja, it would be imperative to get another depth defensemen in return, or to sign one of the remaining free agents. If Markov for some reason comes back, then trading Lilja would be more realistic, but at this point it doesn't seem to make much sense. Amen. Only trade Lilja if we get Markov back. Otherwise, keep him. Also, I know it's tough to watch, but how are the kids going to be able to handle the NHL if you don't let them go out there and screw up without fear of demotion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) I just don't want to sign any more defensemen because that would force Lilja to be the odd man out. Isn't it crazy that absolutely NOBODY hates Lilja anymore? I don't hate Lilja, but I don't like him either. His givaway in Game 5 of the Anaheim series is not the first time he tried to carry the puck out of the corner, stickhandle through guys, only to completely lose the puck and the Wings get scored on. I remember two specific examples, against Phoenix and Edmonton, last season when he did the same thing, and the same exact results came about. You think at that point he'd learn what a horrible stickhandler he is and just play it safe. Since clearly he didn't, I really don't want him in the lineup. edited for grammar Edited July 18, 2007 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2007 It it is for 1.36 mil, what is Markov going to say now? I want Markov back: Lids - Markov Rafalski - Quincy Chelios - Lebda Lilja This is at the end of the season when Kronner is on the IR. Exelby's was restricted, so it's apples and oranges, but I hear you. I want Markov back badly as well. I keep hoping to come to this site and see a thread: "Official: Markov Re-signs." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#1redwingfan 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk when I posted that, but trading Lilja still doesn't sound like a good move to me. Unless we know for sure that one of the young guys is ready to step-in and play full time on defense, Lilja is still needed as the 6th or 7th defensemen for next season. Lets assume Kronwall gets hurt, which is pretty certain. Then we would be left with Lidstrom, Rafalski, Chelios, and Lebda as the top four. No Lilja means that two of the four: Quincey, Meech, Kindl, and Ericsson, are going to be playing on a regular basis. Quincey may be able to handle it, but the other three might not. Besides, Chelios needs to play limited minutes in the regular season to keep him strong for the playoffs. As much as Lilja got ripped on here (myself included) before the playoff run last season, I think he proved that he is deserving of at least a chance to be in the Red Wings lineup every night. If they did trade Lilja, it would be imperative to get another depth defensemen in return, or to sign one of the remaining free agents. If Markov for some reason comes back, then trading Lilja would be more realistic, but at this point it doesn't seem to make much sense. we also signed ference who has had some NHL experience and could most likely fill in Lilja's spot with ease. If we trade Lilja and 2nd or the 3rd rounder we could probably just upgrade him so that instead of our 5th or 6th defenseman being our scapegoat (Lilja), he could be our unsung hero who never gets the praise he deserves(The upgraded Dman)... just a thought Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Isn't it crazy that absolutely NOBODY hates Lilja anymore? It's quite fascinating actually.... in the last regular season meeting with the Ducks ( Wings won 1-0), after his fight with Moen where he became the "Pain Train", the bashing immediately stopped....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Well that's a thought, but how do you know the guy we trade for in exchange for Lilja is going to be an upgrade anyways? Scapegoats on LGW are like hot days in the summer: there are a lot of them. Trading Lilja away isn't going to change that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2007 Mikael "I shoot at goalies, not goals" Samuelsson I think you're being a bit too generous... I'd say he's: Mikael "I shoot at chests, but not breasts" Samuelsson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites