Offsides 21 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Do you know how many games Feds played on D this past season or over the past few seasons? Do you know what his statistics were for those games? Do you know what his +/- was for those games? To tell you the truth I couldn't tell you that about any Red Wing either. I don't memorize stats...lol. I just watch and see how the person plays. I personally don't know any of that info but would love to see it. If Feds is such a great defenseman (I wonder if he'll go into the Hall of Fame as a center or Dman?? Hmmm?????) can you back that up with anything other than your opinion. Oh that's just dumb. He'll go down as one of the most versatile players, he's not a D-man...how does this support your claim at all. Yes, i'm humoring this ridiculous debate just a little longer in the hopes somebody can give me a good reason why he should come back to the Wings. I'm not open minded very often so please take advantage. You don't like me? WaaahhhhH!!! How could you like me or anyone for that matter. You use all of that up to stroke your Fedorov. There's not enough left in you to like anybody. I've already given many good reasons he should come back, you're just too set against him to listen. The reason why I don't like you is because you are petty and vulgar. Grow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) To tell you the truth I couldn't tell you that about any Red Wing either. I don't memorize stats...lol. I just watch and see how the person plays. Oh that's just dumb. He'll go down as one of the most versatile players, he's not a D-man...how does this support your claim at all. I've already given many good reasons he should come back, you're just too set against him to listen. The reason why I don't like you is because you are petty and vulgar. Grow up. Yeah, stats are so trivial I don't know why they bother to keep them Ummm, the Hall of fame comments are called sarcasm. you can look it up if you want to know what that means you've given some reasons yes, many of which are about his ability to play defense. therefore, i asked you about his play as a defenseman and instead of having anything to back it up you just want me to take your word for it that he's still great on the blueline? why don't you try to sell me something else? petty, vulgar, grow up? Oh yeah, for the record, if there were no NHLers left and I had to choose Fedorov or Forsberg I would choose Fedorov. see, i can be reasonable Edited July 28, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Oh yes, i'm a Fedorov hater to the bone. Loved what he did for this team and will never forget it. I'm just bright enough to know when a good thing is over and its time to move on. Yeah, I live in Ohio and so do my pals. I'm betting they see him live in the rink about 41 times per season more than you do, so yeah, i'll take their opinion over yours any day of the week. Obviously if I claimed he's a borderline 2nd line player I don't think he's completely washed up. So next time, read, comprehend and then say something stupid. You know, instead of not reading, not comprehending and then saying something stupid. Becuase the latter just makes you look lazy to boot. Yeah, I don't stroke Sergei's shaft like you so I must be a hater. Yup, that's me. Got my Feds dartboard up right now as a matter of fact. You live in whatever RPG world it is you like to dwell in, its your life. But facts are facts and when all anybody has to say about Feds is how good he is defensively and make excuses for his sagging numbers then I think that's enough of a smoking gun for me to want to pass on the guy. Hey, an aging, slower, less talented, less offensively oriented, strong defensive center to anchor the 2nd scoring line! FUGGIN SWEET! Jesus, why wouldn't we just give the 2nd line job to Draper then. Same ******* player. Oh P.S. where did I all but admit I don't pay attention? Me thinks you're mistaking me for Pskov or another poster. One of them said they don't watch the BlueJackets very much. If you read carefully you'd see where I stated I "see a lot of him". You know, instead of making fun of me for stating that I live in Ohio, if you'd read the next sentence there was a point to that statement. Of course i'm not surprised that you missed something. The reason's his point's production's dropped since he left the Wings is because he played on the Duck's team when they were crap , and well he play's for the Blue Jacket's now..... and they arn't exactly the best team in the NHL are they. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) At this stage of the game... I have seen 3 cups in my life, I am more than Content... Now I want a collection of guys on our team that i like and enjoy to watch play on the ice.... Hence, Sergei Fedorov is my pic out of these two... I like Forsberg also, but after meeting and talking to Sergei several time, i like him A LOT more.... not to mention he would BOOST our OFFENSE and DEFENSE... no matter what anybody tends to think. He is still better than all but maybe a 1/2 handfull on our team in BOTH departments. Edited July 28, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted July 28, 2007 The reason's his point's production's dropped since he left the Wings is because he played on the Duck's team when they were crap , and well he play's for the Blue Jacket's now..... and they arn't exactly the best team in the NHL are they. I totally understand that and agree that some of his production is a result of his environment. However, he plays with Zherdev and Nash and gets top line minutes so I'm not going to cry a river for him. No matter who he plays for or how crappy he is that is only part of the equation. He's been gone a long time now. He's way older, much slower and as father time has a tendency to do, he starts to strip away your skills as you get older. Sorry, I don't hate Feds I just want somebody younger, stronger and faster with more upside than him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckhog419 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 bring back feds! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 I totally understand that and agree that some of his production is a result of his environment. However, he plays with Zherdev and Nash and gets top line minutes so I'm not going to cry a river for him. No matter who he plays for or how crappy he is that is only part of the equation. He's been gone a long time now. He's way older, much slower and as father time has a tendency to do, he starts to strip away your skills as you get older. Sorry, I don't hate Feds I just want somebody younger, stronger and faster with more upside than him. Playing wth nash and zherdev is not really as glamorous as it sounds... They are Horrible linemates... great players but horrible team players. Feds was getting the minutes but how often does Rick or Nik actually GIVEUP the puck to a teammate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Playing wth nash and zherdev is not really as glamorous as it sounds... They are Horrible linemates... great players but horrible team players. Feds was getting the minutes but how often does Rick or Nik actually GIVEUP the puck to a teammate? Exactly , There's no doubt that Nash and Zherdev are individually very talented players . But they arn't exactly team players . If we could get Feds back for less salary that he's on now. I'd have him back playing for the Wings in a heartbeat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) ...you guys are crazy, I would choose Fedorov, but there is potential for BOTH of them being here. So why be upset about it? They'd be rentals for some veteren scoring in the playoffs. If you just rent them for a few months, then what is the harm? ...get used to the idea of Fedorov though, he will be here come deadline and re-sign for a couple of cheap years to end his career in the city he belongs. It has be written, it will be done, trust me on this, this is guranteed... Edited July 28, 2007 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 ...you guys are crazy, I would choose Fedorov, but there is potential for BOTH of them being here. So why be upset about it? They'd be rentals for some veteren scoring in the playoffs. If you just rent them for a few months, then what is the harm? ...get used to the idea of Fedorov though, he will be here come deadline and re-sign for a couple of cheap years to end his career in the city he belongs. It has be written, it will be done, trust me on this, this is guranteed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 If these are my only two options then Fedorov as a rental player would be my choice. but I would rather see what's behind door number three. As far as bringing him back after that... Fedorov, Lidstrom, Zetterberg pick two because that's all we will be able to afford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kreator13 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 fedorov had less points than lang in the last 2 seasons so getting fedorov would be pointless. sure you could say he didnt have anyone that great around him, but even in that case wouldnt he at least have as many points as lang if he were worth picking up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Bottom line is we need a top 6 forward. And Fedorov is a top 6 forward. He's a reliable center. And he seems to always step his game up during the post-season. I would have no problem with this move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Feds got awesome D skills as well as the ability to still score great goals... he is much more valuable than Points would lead one to believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Bottom line is we need a top 6 forward. And Fedorov is a top 6 forward. He's a reliable center. And he seems to always step his game up during the post-season. I would have no problem with this move. Fedorov would be a good fit for what the Wings need , and it would also be guaranteed that he would raise his game if he came back to the Team where he had most of his success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) Could you tuck tail and run any faster after I put you in your place? Nah, instead of rebutting, you change the subject. You've got the right of it on this one. Wow, I don't suppose you remember our ailing D this year? DUH. What, are you referring to what was quite possibly the best D in the entire league? Are you referring to injuries? If so, I don't quite get how Fedorov applies. Also, aren't we chock-freaking-full of defensemen? Don't think we *MIGHT* just be able to find somebody better than Fedorov, or is the tops because he's a former Wing? No, I just thought everything you said was so dumb that I didn't bother to respond. I just don't like you very much...is the problem. As you've only really said this in a couple other isolated cases--in which your arguments likewise hit a wall--I don't know if this is anything better than a cop-out on your part. Remember our discussion about gender roles? I believe it ended with you accusing me of sexism and/or citing tradition before you left in a huff. Stuff like that is pretty unnecessary. I can be an *******, but even I think that diverting an argument via insults is weak. Edited July 28, 2007 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) What, are you referring to what was quite possibly the best D in the entire league? Are you referring to injuries? If so, I don't quite get how Fedorov applies. Also, aren't we chock-freaking-full of defensemen? Don't get me wrong. I want Feds as a forward. but if we needed him to pinch in on D he can...and that's important...he can play any position. Don't think we *MIGHT* just be able to find somebody better than Fedorov, or is the tops because he's a former Wing? First...who do you think? I really would like to know. And yes, he's definitely tops becuase he's one of my favorite players and he's a former Red Wing...and why not? He's also a great player, and in my opinion is biased against for the same reasons you think I'm biased towards him. As you've only really said this in a couple other isolated cases--in which your arguments likewise hit a wall--I don't know if this is anything better than a cop-out on your part. Remember our discussion about gender roles? I believe it ended with you accusing me of sexism and/or citing tradition before you left in a huff. Stuff like that is pretty unnecessary. I can be an *******, but even I think that diverting an argument via insults is weak. LOL My argument didn't hit a wall. GS&T decided that I was getting him mixed up with another poster, even though I directly quoted him, and said exactly what I meant to say. Then he decided to say a whole bunch of nothingness that was very longwinded....though I daresay not as much as you can be...and not as well or thoughfully put together. If anyone was diverting an argument via insults it was started by him with his vulgar comments and it's not the first time. Edited July 28, 2007 by Offsides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) What, are you referring to what was quite possibly the best D in the entire league? Are you referring to injuries? If so, I don't quite get how Fedorov applies. Also, aren't we chock-freaking-full of defensemen? Quantity by far out weighs quality in this statement... or else the loss of Kronner and Schnides would have NOT played a roll in the downfall a few short months ago. Feds is a great defensive player as a forward and very good at playing full on defense. I would take him on the point over many of our current d-men on the team and in the system. Edited July 28, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 This thread has become way too hostile, let's talk about goalies! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 This thread has become way too hostile, let's talk about goalies! I'm thinking your right .......chillness people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Wow, I don't suppose you remember our ailing D this year? DUH. Again: what does that have anything to do with him being a top 6 forward? I don't give a s*** if Fedorov can play defense. The Wings need a forward right now, and probably will again at the deadline. Unless Kronwall goes down to injury (again), I see no reason to pick up Fedorov. Just because Bowman played him at defense, and now Hitchcock takes a page out of that book doesn't mean he's some great defenseman that you make him out to be. I consider Quincey, who is currently our #7 defenseman, far and beyound anything of what Fedorov can do at that position. Besides that, I think it's time to move on. You know, if Fedorov wanted to play here so ******* badly, he would have accepted the 4 year or whatever deal the Wings threw at him. That's still a long term contract in my opinion. I don't know why he felt playing in some s*** market like Anaheim was any better for him, but to me, it was a slap in the face the way he left. Oh well, it's not like what I'm saying will actually mean anything to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) And he (FEDOROV) is just that...a top 6 forward on any team as well as our team... Bingo Bango issues solved all around. Quincy better than feds on D... hahahahahahha okay my side hurts I will stop now. Now if you would have said Lids... then yeah I would not have a stitch in my side right now ... but unproven quincy??? no way jose! Edited July 28, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozac 10 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 The Fedorov I remember, the great, albeit at times enigmatic Fedorov was a thing of beauty to watch on the ice. He had some much talent that the game looked effortless for him. Do you know why he was the hardest working player you saw that night? Because he isn't the player he used to be and the talent has fallen off to such a point that working hard is how he stays in the game. Hey, working hard is great but that's not what made Feds great. Feds didn't have to work all that hard to be great. Like I said, he did great things effortlessly. He can't do that anymore. Think about the things we've heard people say about Feds in recent threads 1. his numbers are down because he has to play more D 2. his defense is still pretty good 3. even though he's slower he works really hard Do people realize that that's not Sergei Fedorov. That's Kris Draper. And IMO and no offense here but we don't need another Kris Draper. Not Kris Draper, try Robert Lang but without the "Lazy and Sucks" tag behind the name. Don't you wish we a Robert Lang who wasn't lazy and didn't suck? I do, and the answer is Fedorov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Not Kris Draper, try Robert Lang but without the "Lazy and Sucks" tag behind the name. Don't you wish we a Robert Lang who wasn't lazy and didn't suck? I do, and the answer is Fedorov. except all around better than even a not so sucking or lazy lang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Cool, an Internet Tough Guy competiton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
