Forsberg vs. Fedorov

[eva unit zero 271]

What makes you think that he will be healthy here since you just pointed out how he wasn't healthy for most of the year. As for his defensive prowess, we have more top notch defensive forwards than anyone else in the league with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Draper, Maltby, Cleary, Fillpulla, and Franzen. We don't need help there. I don't know what kind of 2nd line center Fillpulla will be, but at this point I'm more willing to give him a shot than Feds.

Whether Feds is healthy or not isn't the point...Even as much as the one injury plagued him last year, he still was among the top 180 forwards in the NHL, even though he was on the blueline to finish the season. Which was the point of my post.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

What makes you think that he will be healthy here since you just pointed out how he wasn't healthy for most of the year. As for his defensive prowess, we have more top notch defensive forwards than anyone else in the league with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Draper, Maltby, Cleary, Fillpulla, and Franzen. We don't need help there. I don't know what kind of 2nd line center Fillpulla will be, but at this point I'm more willing to give him a shot than Feds.

Flip will not be centering the 2nd line, either Z or Dats will do that. Here are our lines right now as I see it.

* Homer-Dats-Flip

* Hudler-Z-Sammy

Drake-Draper-Franzen

Grigorenko-Cleary-Maltby

with Kopecky #1 in reserve. Grigorenko will play on the 4th line unless he is more advanced than we think he is. Drake will play on the "grind" line and Draper will center it as always. Sammy will be on one of the top 2 lines. And that is where I would rather see Sergei.

The only thing that confuses me is that someone in the organization (Babs, Holland, Jimmy?) said that Drake was to be a mentor to Kopecky, who right now does not make the roster unless Grigorenko plays his way back to Russia or Hudler or Flip is sent down to GR. Hmm...

* The centers are exchangable with these lines

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Whether Feds is healthy or not isn't the point...Even as much as the one injury plagued him last year, he still was among the top 180 forwards in the NHL, even though he was on the blueline to finish the season. Which was the point of my post.

Only one of the top 180? SWEET! He might as well be one of the top 480. He couldn't crack the top 60 centers last season points wise. I suppose spots 60-70 are just outside of the cutoff I've established but this is the Detroit Red Wings, our #2 center should be better than a guy who can't crack the top 60. Our #2 center should be a guy who can rack up the points, not a guy who can't score as many points as Dustin Penner and is being relied on for his very sound defensive abilities. He's supposed to be a #2 center. I want scoring first, defense 2nd. Not the other way around. Based on his play the past few seasons, IMO he'd make a wonderful 3rd line center at this point in his career.

[OsGOD 3]

Only one of the top 180? SWEET! He might as well be one of the top 480. He couldn't crack the top 60 centers last season points wise. I suppose spots 60-70 are just outside of the cutoff I've established but this is the Detroit Red Wings, our #2 center should be better than a guy who can't crack the top 60. Our #2 center should be a guy who can rack up the points, not a guy who can't score as many points as Dustin Penner and is being relied on for his very sound defensive abilities. He's supposed to be a #2 center. I want scoring first, defense 2nd. Not the other way around. Based on his play the past few seasons, IMO he'd make a wonderful 3rd line center at this point in his career.

Well his productions... both in goals and overall points last season puts him sitting pretty as Top 6 on our entire team... And he didn't even have the benefit of playing for a winning team.

Actual he was top 60 for centers last year, 1 point behind Modano and 9 points behind the much coveted Horcoff. Pretty fine for once again playing on a losing team last season. Not to mention only two(2) wings were above him... one (dats) currently on the wings. Making him a capable 2nd line center for us

I'll take that.

Edited July 30, 2007 by OsGOD

[eva unit zero 271]

Only one of the top 180? SWEET! He might as well be one of the top 480. He couldn't crack the top 60 centers last season points wise. I suppose spots 60-70 are just outside of the cutoff I've established but this is the Detroit Red Wings, our #2 center should be better than a guy who can't crack the top 60. Our #2 center should be a guy who can rack up the points, not a guy who can't score as many points as Dustin Penner and is being relied on for his very sound defensive abilities. He's supposed to be a #2 center. I want scoring first, defense 2nd. Not the other way around. Based on his play the past few seasons, IMO he'd make a wonderful 3rd line center at this point in his career.

He only played 60 games at center and scored 39 points. As I illustrated, his scoring pace had he played all 72 games at center projects to 46 points, which would have ranked around 50th. None of the centers between 30 and 70 are better defensively than Fedorov. So he is top 60 in offense (second line offensively) and better than most of the top 60 offensive players defensively. I can understand arguing him as not a first liner...but he is EASILY still a top six forward. If you remove the 13 games Fedorov played on defense, he ties Scott Hartnell at 148th among forwards with 39 points.

There were 179 forwards who scored .5 PPG or better and played 40+ games. Fedorov, even with his minimal output in 13 games on the blueline, falls into that group. Given just his games at forward, he scored .65 PPG, ranking 114th among forwards with 40+ games played. That's top-four scoring, with elite defense on top of it.

As far as the 'Fedorov is overpaid' argument...Viktor Kozlov was signed for 2.5m, Lang for 4m. Those two were just behind Fedorov in PPG, and bring no defensive game. Then the real question is 'how much is quick skating, faceoff skill, and top notch defense worth fro man experienced center, without any offense?' And the answer is 2.128m, the salary of Kris Draper. Which means Fedorov is worth somewhere between 4.628m and 6.128m. Which is what he makes. Maybe Fedorov should make 5.378m, the average of the two? Mike Comrie pulled in 3.375 for similar offense to Fedorov. That plus Draper's salary would put him right near the middle of the previously established range.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

He only played 60 games at center and scored 39 points. As I illustrated, his scoring pace had he played all 72 games at center projects to 46 points, which would have ranked around 50th. None of the centers between 30 and 70 are better defensively than Fedorov. So he is top 60 in offense (second line offensively) and better than most of the top 60 offensive players defensively. I can understand arguing him as not a first liner...but he is EASILY still a top six forward. If you remove the 13 games Fedorov played on defense, he ties Scott Hartnell at 148th among forwards with 39 points.

There were 179 forwards who scored .5 PPG or better and played 40+ games. Fedorov, even with his minimal output in 13 games on the blueline, falls into that group. Given just his games at forward, he scored .65 PPG, ranking 114th among forwards with 40+ games played. That's top-four scoring, with elite defense on top of it.

As far as the 'Fedorov is overpaid' argument...Viktor Kozlov was signed for 2.5m, Lang for 4m. Those two were just behind Fedorov in PPG, and bring no defensive game. Then the real question is 'how much is quick skating, faceoff skill, and top notch defense worth fro man experienced center, without any offense?' And the answer is 2.128m, the salary of Kris Draper. Which means Fedorov is worth somewhere between 4.628m and 6.128m. Which is what he makes. Maybe Fedorov should make 5.378m, the average of the two? Mike Comrie pulled in 3.375 for similar offense to Fedorov. That plus Draper's salary would put him right near the middle of the previously established range.

Any time a conversation with Fedorov and us having to pay him anything over 3.5 million dollars arises, I lose what tiny interest I might have in seeing him back.

I wouldn't pay that man his current salary if my life depended upon it.

I don't care what other players in the league are overpaid, Fedorov is too old and not producing enough to warrant his current salary.

If Feds were a UFA today and let's say other UFA's that were signed like Drury, etc.. were still available, would you go for Feds first and pay him 5-6 million? I hope your answer is no. Would you pay him over 4 million? Again, I hope your answer is no.

Obviously my mind is made up so you'll have to forgive my stubborness. I just don't think he's worth that much anymore. I watched him all last season...again, not impressed. The only thing that impressed me was the game he played against us at the Joe where he had tons of jump and scored 2 goals. That was the best game I saw him play all season. Still, not enough for me to pay him 4 mil or more.

The way I look at it, I loved what he did here and harbor no ill will towards him so in my mind, i'm basing my opinion simply on what i've seen of him playing and the numbers he's posted. Frankly, and his defenders are more than welcome to holler bulls*** at me but I think too often their (including you Eva) are far too biased for him because of the "love affair" you had with him and spend too much time glorifying the past and what he did do to justify what you think he can still due 6 years later. I haven't seen a poster yet who isn't "in love" with Feds that wants him back. For example, I don't like Scott Hartnell at all and I think he's a punk but wouldn't mind having him on our team. I absolutely can't stand Andy MacDonald b/c I think he's a freaking jerk who hides behind a mask and won't stick up for himself yet I think he'd be an awesome addition. My point is, I haven't seen anybody come in and want Fedorov back here based on his play and numbers alone who doesn't have a personal, emotional bias towards him so much so that even if he sucked dogs*** they'd still want him back for personal reasons.

For the record: If Feds was a UFA and he would sign here for 3.5 million or so (but on a 1 year only), I'd take him for the many reasons his supporters have stated. However, he wouldn't be my first choice if the UFA pool was still as it was on day 1.

Edited July 30, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Whether Feds is healthy or not isn't the point...Even as much as the one injury plagued him last year, he still was among the top 180 forwards in the NHL, even though he was on the blueline to finish the season. Which was the point of my post.

FYI-Centers I would take before Fedorov for any number of reasons including but not limited to them being better, younger, cheaper, etc... Of course many of these guys aren't nearly as good defensively or have the complete skill set that Feds ONCE possessed and still does to a lesser degree but i'm trading alot of that for his ridiculous salary and his age.

I'm borrowing this from NHL.com, eliminating any current Wings and players I think suck

Crosby

Thornton

Lecavalier

Sakic

Savard

Briere

Jokinen

Spezza

Malkin

BrindAmour

Sedin

Camalleri

Marleau

Stastny

MacDonald

Sundin

Staal

Straka

Richards

Bergeron

Drury

Elias

Legwand

Roy

Parise

Horton

Kopitar

Gomez

Getzlaf

Hecht

Arnott

Fisher

Boyes

Jordan Staal

Wellwood

Prucha

Stoll

Jeff Carter

Steen

Feds

So you guys are right, after further analysis and numbers aside, I still think he's probably up there in the top 60 without question. However, that doesn't mean i'd rather see him centering the 2nd line versus a Getzlaf or Brad Richards, Cammaleri or Patty Bergeron.

[Opie 308]

I would cream my pants if the wings picked up "patty" Bergeron!!!

[bringback91 2]

I'd take Feds.

[Izzy24 44]

Says bringback91, "I'd take Feds."

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I'd take Feds.

huh? do you mean over that entire list? or just over Brad Richards, Patrice Bergeron, Ryan Getzlaf and Mike Cammalleri?

[bringback91 2]

huh? do you mean over that entire list? or just over Brad Richards, Patrice Bergeron, Ryan Getzlaf and Mike Cammalleri?

Neither, responding to the O.P.'s question of who I'd rather the Wings take between Forsberg or Fedorov. Besides, the fact we both know where each other stand on this particular issue, so really whats the point of going through all that again?

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

huh? do you mean over that entire list? or just over Brad Richards, Patrice Bergeron, Ryan Getzlaf and Mike Cammalleri?

There's a chance that Fed's would come back to the Wings. getting any of the above would be damn near impossible. exept maybe a very small chance of getting Cammalleri.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Neither, responding to the O.P.'s question of who I'd rather the Wings take between Forsberg or Fedorov. Besides, the fact we both know where each other stand on this particular issue, so really whats the point of going through all that again?

Oh.

As for our history on this subject, don't know why that means you can't have a conversation about it. The point of it has nothing to do with rehashing any old debates about Fedorov. This was a specific thread about Feds/Forsberg (I too would take Feds) and in the last few posts it was about other players I think are better centers than him. Would you take Fedorov over that entire list of players? Would you take him over the majority of the list? Would you take him over the 4 guys I singled out? Just because I don't think he's all that anymore and you love the guy doesn't mean there aren't things were discussing or comparisons worth debating about. That is of course unless you'd want Feds back over every other player in the NHL, which in that case, you're right, there'd be no point in furthering that discussion.

There's a chance that Fed's would come back to the Wings. getting any of the above would be damn near impossible. exept maybe a very small chance of getting Cammalleri.

I know. Seriously, how many of those on the list are even available. My list was more of a general statement that if available i'd take any of those guys over Fedorov.

And technically, Fedorov isn't any more available than the other players. He's under contract like the rest of them and would only be had through trade or buyout like the rest of them. Of course some are probably being shopped more than say Crosby is.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I know. Seriously, how many of those on the list are even available. My list was more of a general statement that if available i'd take any of those guys over Fedorov.

And technically, Fedorov isn't any more available than the other players. He's under contract like the rest of them and would only be had through trade or buyout like the rest of them. Of course some are probably being shopped more than say Crosby is.

This is what this topic is all about though , there's been rumour's about Fedorov being baught out . And Forsberg is available. The two are being put head to head to see who the fan's would want to play for the Wings more.

None of the rest are available or are getting linked with the Wings.

[bringback91 2]

Oh.

As for our history on this subject, don't know why that means you can't have a conversation about it. The point of it has nothing to do with rehashing any old debates about Fedorov. This was a specific thread about Feds/Forsberg (I too would take Feds) and in the last few posts it was about other players I think are better centers than him. Would you take Fedorov over that entire list of players? Would you take him over the majority of the list? Would you take him over the 4 guys I singled out? Just because I don't think he's all that anymore and you love the guy doesn't mean there aren't things were discussing or comparisons worth debating about. That is of course unless you'd want Feds back over every other player in the NHL, which in that case, you're right, there'd be no point in furthering that discussion.

I choose to not discuss not only this but many topics with you do to your over-zealous posts, and your hard headed "I'M RIGHT!, YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT!" attitude. I'm not saying you have to or even should change, I've just been down that path with you a few times, and it's grown old with me. No offense. But since you asked, some of those guys on that list are a joke and just go to show your somewhat anti-Fedorov stance, yet even with all that said you still put together a more intellegent post than some around here who don't contribute anything. Before you ask, pretty much most of your list from Legwand down. And most of the guys above it are untouchable, and if there not, I think you may overvalue them just a tad. And for the record Gordo, no I'm not in love with Fedorov, I just happen to like how the guy plays the game, still think he has lots of skill (at least more than all but 2 of Wings forwards) and think he'd greatly benifit the team, whilst being obtainable. No I don't think he's the best player in the leauge. Again I ask, what's wrong with me thinking that, and why does it bother you so much? If you left that kind of crap out of your posts, you may find more people willing to engage in a discussion.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

This is what this topic is all about though , there's been rumour's about Fedorov being baught out . And Forsberg is available. The two are being put head to head to see who the fan's would want to play for the Wings more.

None of the rest are available or are getting linked with the Wings.

Isn't Cammy potentially available? If his hearing goes to well the Kings might not accept.

And there's no way to know if any of the others aren't being talked about in trade discussions.

PS: Where's all the Feds talk coming from? Any papers published anything to that effect?

I choose to not discuss not only this but many topics with you do to your over-zealous posts, and your hard headed "I'M RIGHT!, YOU MUST BE AN IDIOT!" attitude. I'm not saying you have to or even should change, I've just been down that path with you a few times, and it's grown old with me. No offense. But since you asked, some of those guys on that list are a joke and just go to show your somewhat anti-Fedorov stance, yet even with all that said you still put together a more intellegent post than some around here who don't contribute anything. Before you ask, pretty much most of your list from Legwand down. And most of the guys above it are untouchable, and if there not, I think you may overvalue them just a tad. And for the record Gordo, no I'm not in love with Fedorov, I just happen to like how the guy plays the game, still think he has lots of skill (at least more than all but 2 of Wings forwards) and think he'd greatly benifit the team, whilst being obtainable. No I don't think he's the best player in the leauge. Again I ask, what's wrong with me thinking that, and why does it bother you so much? If you left that kind of crap out of your posts, you may find more people willing to engage in a discussion.

I guess i'm one of those people that can debate a heated topic and still get over it and be willing to discuss it further.

My list was my list. It wasn't anti-Fedorov. It was pro other players I personally think are better. you call it a joke? That's your opinion but honestly, does that sound like reasonable debate to you? Please don't point your finger at me when you're no better.

I wanted to hear what you had to say regarding some of those players in the hypothetical case brought up. Obviously our past run ins are something you can't get over. Too bad.

And PS: Do you think I care how many people want to engage in discussions with me? There are people I love to discuss, debate and even duke it out with on here because they're passionate and savvy hockey people. We don't have to agree and we don't have to get along. Its a discussion forum and yes, I use it to get my point across no matter who doesn't like it or the way in which I do it. I wanted you to answer b/c I like hearing your thoughts. Oh well.

[Offsides 21]

Camarelli is a good player who I'd like to have on the Wings...but this topic was about Forsberg v. Fedorov. I'd want Fedorov, yes, becuase he was a Wing and because he is good. I'd not want Forsberg...because I strongly dislike Forsberg for numerous reasons...in spite of that he's good.

I have a feeling that a lot of people feel this way about Fedorov. He's good, but they strongly dislike him. Which is a shame really, because he did a lot for this team and whether he comes back or not...should get some credit for that.

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

I am sick of hearing of getting Forsbum or Serg coming back they both are or were great players at one time, there are 2 quality players at the tail end of there carrers not signed yet and they both maybe in expensive and still leave cap room at deadline they are Peca and Bondra they played together in Washington and if memory serves me right they were pretty good together also they have never won a cup and maybe just a little hungrier then Forskin and Sergi

Edited July 31, 2007 by DEVILSWATERBOY

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Camarelli is a good player who I'd like to have on the Wings...but this topic was about Forsberg v. Fedorov. I'd want Fedorov, yes, becuase he was a Wing and because he is good. I'd not want Forsberg...because I strongly dislike Forsberg for numerous reasons...in spite of that he's good.

I have a feeling that a lot of people feel this way about Fedorov. He's good, but they strongly dislike him. Which is a shame really, because he did a lot for this team and whether he comes back or not...should get some credit for that.

i too would take feds over forsberg (even though forsberg put up 55 points in 57 games, yikes!)

I am sick of hearing of getting Forsbum or Serg coming back they both are or were great players at one time, there are 2 quality players at the tail end of there carrers not signed yet at they both maybe in expensive and still leave cap room at deadline they are Peca and Bondra they played together in Washington and if memory serves me right they were pretty good together also they have never won a cup and maybe just a little hungrier then Forskin and Sergi

Peca is intriguing to me because of his hard hitting style, leadership and veteran presence. he knows how to play a team game like ours.

unfortunately i haven't seen him play much so don't know what he's got left in the tank and i certainly wouldn't take him as a #2 center over Feds.

[bringback91 2]

I guess i'm one of those people that can debate a heated topic and still get over it and be willing to discuss it further.

My list was my list. It wasn't anti-Fedorov. It was pro other players I personally think are better. you call it a joke? That's your opinion but honestly, does that sound like reasonable debate to you? Please don't point your finger at me when you're no better.

I wanted to hear what you had to say regarding some of those players in the hypothetical case brought up. Obviously our past run ins are something you can't get over. Too bad.

And PS: Do you think I care how many people want to engage in discussions with me? There are people I love to discuss, debate and even duke it out with on here because they're passionate and savvy hockey people. We don't have to agree and we don't have to get along. Its a discussion forum and yes, I use it to get my point across no matter who doesn't like it or the way in which I do it. I wanted you to answer b/c I like hearing your thoughts. Oh well.

Yep, me too, but some times I just figure "what's the point?" when it gets to the point where it's like a dog chasing his tail. The discussion part is fine, it's the rest of the slop in alot of your posts that bothers me and makes me avoid debate with you. I'm not pointing my finger at you and saying "I'm better, and know more about hockey than you", simply saying I don't go out of my way to alienate certain posters, lump them into catagories, or tell them who they are or what they think. That's the difference between me and you.

When taken with the rest of the post refering to the list, yes it sounds like a reasonable debate.......

"But since you asked, some of those guys on that list are a joke and just go to show your somewhat anti-Fedorov stance, yet even with all that said you still put together a more intellegent post than some around here who don't contribute anything. Before you ask, pretty much most of your list from Legwand down. "- myself

Like I said, past debates, discussions and such are fine, obviously I still read your posts and some even agree with, but others I read and realize your in a mood or zone or something and it's not really worth anything for me to respond, cause it'll go no where.

No I don't think you care at all how many people want to discuss things with you. But then I'd have to ask, why post in a discussion forum? I like reading all differing opinions on various subjects and when I post even in disagreement, I don't try to act better or more knowledgeable than the other person when it's an opinion based thread.

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

i too would take feds over forsberg (even though forsberg put up 55 points in 57 games, yikes!)

Peca is intriguing to me because of his hard hitting style, leadership and veteran presence. he knows how to play a team game like ours.

unfortunately i haven't seen him play much so don't know what he's got left in the tank and i certainly wouldn't take him as a #2 center over Feds.

Well maybe but go for Sergi at trade deadline as far as Peca 2 years ago he was a thorn in the Wings side with Edmonton very gritty Bondra just could not mesh with the Senators anyways this is about Forskin or Sergi take Serg over Forsbum, Forskin what ever the dive artist name is

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Yep, me too, but some times I just figure "what's the point?" when it gets to the point where it's like a dog chasing his tail. The discussion part is fine, it's the rest of the slop in alot of your posts that bothers me and makes me avoid debate with you. I'm not pointing my finger at you and saying "I'm better, and know more about hockey than you", simply saying I don't go out of my way to alienate certain posters, lump them into catagories, or tell them who they are or what they think. That's the difference between me and you.

When taken with the rest of the post refering to the list, yes it sounds like a reasonable debate.......

"But since you asked, some of those guys on that list are a joke and just go to show your somewhat anti-Fedorov stance, yet even with all that said you still put together a more intellegent post than some around here who don't contribute anything. Before you ask, pretty much most of your list from Legwand down. "- myself

Like I said, past debates, discussions and such are fine, obviously I still read your posts and some even agree with, but others I read and realize your in a mood or zone or something and it's not really worth anything for me to respond, cause it'll go no where.

No I don't think you care at all how many people want to discuss things with you. But then I'd have to ask, why post in a discussion forum? I like reading all differing opinions on various subjects and when I post even in disagreement, I don't try to act better or more knowledgeable than the other person when it's an opinion based thread.

i guess I don't care just because i don't care. i don't need everyone to talk to me and i don't need everyone to agree with me. of course by now you probably realize i was an only child so i guess i display alot of characteristics of such. not all good of course yeah, I do tend to lump certain groups together. but that's the way i see it. if i see a bunch of impartial slappies, i call them as such. i don't mind offending them. why should i? You on the other hand, you i like talking to even though we get on each others nerves and agree on pretty much nothing that i'm aware of. As for me getting in a mood. s***, i'm always in a mood. i can pretty much debate, argue, fight about anything anytime. its not a desirable trait but WTF can you do?

[bringback91 2]

i guess I don't care just because i don't care. i don't need everyone to talk to me and i don't need everyone to agree with me. of course by now you probably realize i was an only child so i guess i display alot of characteristics of such. not all good of course yeah, I do tend to lump certain groups together. but that's the way i see it. if i see a bunch of impartial slappies, i call them as such. i don't mind offending them. why should i? You on the other hand, you i like talking to even though we get on each others nerves and agree on pretty much nothing that i'm aware of. As for me getting in a mood. s***, i'm always in a mood. i can pretty much debate, argue, fight about anything anytime. its not a desirable trait but WTF can you do?

It's all gravy. Not giving a s*** what others think is good to a certian extent in my book. The offending them part, eh, not so much my thing but hey who am I to say?

Eh, believe it or not we do agree on a few things, Feds over Forsberg, I agree with this you said from another thread....

"If i'm reading this correctly, I agree. I love the Drake signing. However, Avery would be nice but only at a fair price and frankly, the market is so f-ed up "fair price" doesn't exist."

And for the record, I can't stand Avery, think he's a loud mouth prick. But would love to see him on the wings for around 2 mil. Think he'd be a great fit. See I even fit into the "Holy Grail" catogory you've been searching for.

[Vladinator 0]

I'd prefer Forsberg over Fedorov

Both are skilled, clutch players. Both are not nearly the player that they once were.

Forsberg addresses more of a need for the wings that Fedorov does at this point though.

Forsberg would also be available around December, where Fedorov wouldn't be available until the trade deadline. I'd rather add a major player sooner rather than later simply for team chemistry.

What it comes down to for me is attutude and ability. Forsberg's only downside is his injury history, his numbers (when playing) are still comparable to those in the past. As I illustrated in another thread, Forsberg has only missed 16 out of a possible 160 playoff games in his career, and 11 of those were from the ruptured spleen (which is not an injury that can happen again). He may miss in the regular season, but like Mario, in the playoffs he is there.

Fedorov on the other hand has had a significant drop in his numbers. Nothing seems to spark him anymore. Perhaps a return to Detroit would do this, but seeing as how he wanted out of here so bad to begin with, I just don't see that happening. I admit that I haven't watched a whole lot of games with Feds since he left here, but the few that I have seen really showed that his play has seriously dropped. He always did seem to float at times, but (again based on the few games that I've watched) now it is more like he hustles at times and floats most of the time.

I'd prefer a player that is going to hustle, but might get hurt over a player that will likely stay healthy, but probably won't hustle...