Red Wings create their own sound in Motown

[zata40 3]

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&a...rticleid=337824

good read

[auxlepli 17]

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&a...rticleid=337824

good read

Yep! Great article. Gotta love NHL.com stories because they're always so up beat.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Even before I opened it up, I knew it was going to be written by Larry Wigge.

If its a pro-Red Wings article and its on NHL.com, you can bank on the fact that Larry wrote. You know he's a Red Wing fan!

[WingMachine91 0]

the only thing i dont like is that they were implying a line with flip centering draper and cleary on a "grind line"

i in no way see flip as a grinder and i think he needs to be on the top two lines, so he can develope into a zetter type player

[Guest Yzer19]

Maybe it's just me but I really didn't like the article. I'm so sick of articles harping on the fact that Yzerman and Shanny are gone and how the team is so much better. I wish they'd give it a rest once and for all. It got very old last year and it's even older now. Enough is enough. Give it a rest already. Yzerman and Shanny are gone, let's move on. To me these articles just seem like a slap in the face to both Yzerman and Shanny.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

Maybe it's just me but I really didn't like the article. I'm so sick of articles harping on the fact that Yzerman and Shanny are gone and how the team is so much better. I wish they'd give it a rest once and for all. It got very old last year and it's even older now. Enough is enough. Give it a rest already. Yzerman and Shanny are gone, let's move on. To me these articles just seem like a slap in the face to both Yzerman and Shanny.

i don't think it was saying that the team is better off with our yzerman and shanny at all. it simply says that the wings had rather big shoes to fill at the beginning of last season and they figured out a way to get it done and carry on the wings great winning tradition. good article, i thought.

[Curban915 0]

Maybe it's just me but I really didn't like the article. I'm so sick of articles harping on the fact that Yzerman and Shanny are gone and how the team is so much better. I wish they'd give it a rest once and for all. It got very old last year and it's even older now. Enough is enough. Give it a rest already. Yzerman and Shanny are gone, let's move on. To me these articles just seem like a slap in the face to both Yzerman and Shanny.

Look who is talking you cant get over Yezerman every post you find a way to talk about him.

I think the article was great, go back and the ones hat said the wings wont make the playoffs. Hell the almost had the best recored and they were 2 wins from the cup. This was a great read shows you alot what a team has to go threw in a years time.

[Guest Yzer19]

Look who is talking you cant get over Yezerman every post you find a way to talk about him.

I think the article was great, go back and the ones hat said the wings wont make the playoffs. Hell the almost had the best recored and they were 2 wins from the cup. This was a great read shows you alot what a team has to go threw in a years time.

I'm not a professional writer that is writing articles for a major website or paper. I just post on a message board. I also don't constantly bash Shanny and Yzerman in my posts. These articles make it seem like Yzerman and Shanny did nothing but hold these guys back and prevent them from be leaders. It would be nice if the writers would just stop mentioning Yzerman and Shanny. They aren't on the team anymore. This is the second year without them. How much longer is this going to go on. In 20 years from now are they still be talking about how Shanny and Yzerman on aren't the team anymore and they keep winning?

[Mickeyisms Rule! 0]

Maybe it's just me but I really didn't like the article. I'm so sick of articles harping on the fact that Yzerman and Shanny are gone and how the team is so much better. I wish they'd give it a rest once and for all. It got very old last year and it's even older now. Enough is enough. Give it a rest already. Yzerman and Shanny are gone, let's move on. To me these articles just seem like a slap in the face to both Yzerman and Shanny.

I gotta agree with Curban above me, here. Every time you post you kvetch about the loss of Yzerman. Maybe you need to come to terms with the fact that he has retired.

A good start would be to update your avatar to include the number 19, which is hanging from the rafters right by those other ones you have there.

I'll even supply you with the image.

Edited September 20, 2007 by Mickeyisms Rule!

[Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3]

I gotta agree with Curban above me, here. Every time you post you kvetch about the loss of Yzerman. Maybe you need to come to terms with the fact that he has retired.

A good start would be to update your avatar to include the number 19, which is hanging from the rafters right by those other ones you have there.

I'll even supply you with the image.

I love that picture

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I'm not a professional writer that is writing articles for a major website or paper. I just post on a message board. I also don't constantly bash Shanny and Yzerman in my posts. These articles make it seem like Yzerman and Shanny did nothing but hold these guys back and prevent them from be leaders. It would be nice if the writers would just stop mentioning Yzerman and Shanny. They aren't on the team anymore. This is the second year without them. How much longer is this going to go on. In 20 years from now are they still be talking about how Shanny and Yzerman on aren't the team anymore and they keep winning?

Oh good lord. Only you would go so far to think that this article, or any article for that matter, is an insult to Steve Yzerman.

Yzerman was synonymous with Red Wings hockey for the past 20+ years, and Brendan Shanahan a major part of it for roughly 10 years in recent times. It’s kinda a given that they will still be mentioned with Detroit for a while still even though they don't play for the Wings anymore.

So maybe you need to get over the fact that many people will still be talking about the Red Wings in a "post-Yzerman" era for at least the next few seasons.

With your line of thought here, we should just forget about Yzerman and Shanahan as well and get over him. Stop wearing their jerseys when they were Red Wings, throw away or sell any memorabilia of those players, and so forth. Not an easy thing, and it’s probably a next to impossible task, for many Red Wings fans to do.

Get it through your head, people have been telling you over and over again that nobody is slighting or intentionally going out of their way to insult Yzerman, or even unintentionally insulting him, so quit reaching and looking for ridiculous excuses to get pissed off at an issue that only you make up and make a giant soap opera out of.

[Guest Yzer19]

Curban915, Sorry about that. It's harder than I thought it would be.

Mickeyisms Rule, thanks for the picture but I like it better without the other banner in it. The first picture I had in there had one with the #19 banner, but I decided to put the one without it in hopes of moving on and forgetting the past 20+ years. It didn't work.

SouthernWingsFan, this was just a really bad article. I guess my problem isn't so much that they keep mentioning Yzerman and Shanny, it's that they are disrespecting them. How about giving them credit for making Lidstrom's job so easy because they were such great examples. Articles like this Wigge one, seem more like taunting than anything else. I don't remember Fedorov being disrespected like this after he left the Wings. The Wings also did better the year after Fedorov left. We ended up winning the president's trophy and getting to the second round of the playoffs without Fedorov. I seem to remember the articles saying that we would've did even better with Fedorov. Well guess what? I think the Wings would've did even better with Yzerman and Shanny last year instead of Bertuzzi and Calder. I think the Wings would've won the cup.

[55fan 5,133]

If I may quote Hasek from this article:

Quote:

"I'm proud of what I've done in this game with the Stanley Cup and trophies and gold medals," Hasek said of being named the NHL MVP twice and winning the Vezina Trophy as the League’s best goaltender six times. "But you don't prepare for the next season by living in the past. You come here to try to do everything to win again."

End quote.

I think this is where we stand with the Wings with regard to Stevie and Shanny. Yes, they are gone, but their legacy lives on. Our team has had Cups and trophies, and our players have won medals. All these things are in the past, but we are proud of them for what they have accomplished, and we look to them to do it again.

The past is an old friend. It's not part of the here and now, but it is what has made us what we are, and it will not, should not, be forgotten.

Everything we accomplish from here on out will someday be part of the past. Someday Zetterberg and Datsyuk will be the ones retiring, and the Wings of that day will have to fill their skates.

Stevie and Shanny are part of the past. They are enshrined in our hearts and memories. They are shining threads in the beautiful tapestry that is Red Wing history. We can't forget, and so when we move on without them, we only move on without them physically.

I think this is what the article was saying. We have big skates to fill, and fill them we are. I didn't see it as a slight to them; rather, it was a show of respect for what they have done, and for what we are doing right now.

I thought it was a good article. Now, for another drink. To Shanny, Stevie, and the future. May the Wings fly on forever.

Edited September 21, 2007 by 55fan

[Mickeyisms Rule! 0]

Curban915, Sorry about that. It's harder than I thought it would be.

Mickeyisms Rule, thanks for the picture but I like it better without the other banner in it. The first picture I had in there had one with the #19 banner, but I decided to put the one without it in hopes of moving on and forgetting the past 20+ years. It didn't work.

SouthernWingsFan, this was just a really bad article. I guess my problem isn't so much that they keep mentioning Yzerman and Shanny, it's that they are disrespecting them. How about giving them credit for making Lidstrom's job so easy because they were such great examples. Articles like this Wigge one, seem more like taunting than anything else. I don't remember Fedorov being disrespected like this after he left the Wings. The Wings also did better the year after Fedorov left. We ended up winning the president's trophy and getting to the second round of the playoffs without Fedorov. I seem to remember the articles saying that we would've did even better with Fedorov. Well guess what? I think the Wings would've did even better with Yzerman and Shanny last year instead of Bertuzzi and Calder. I think the Wings would've won the cup.

I can accept that you are having trouble getting over the loss of Yzerman and Shanny. But I just re-read that article and didn't get any kind of impression that there was a slight to either of them. In fact, it was a celebration of the leadership they brought to the team when they were with the team.

The questions posed were things like, "who will step up and fill the vacuum left by these two great leaders?" There were no statements like, "boy am I glad those bums are gone so the Red Wings don't suck anymore."

Denial is not a river in Egypt. Yzerman is retired and Shanny is a Ranger. If you are a Wings fan, then you will get over it. If all you are is a fan of Yzerman and Shanny, then you may want to go post on the HF Boards in the "History of Hockey" topic.

While I look forward to a new season, you are looking back at seasons gone past. The Red Wings STILL KICK ASS. They just have different people doing the kicking.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

SouthernWingsFan, this was just a really bad article. I guess my problem isn't so much that they keep mentioning Yzerman and Shanny, it's that they are disrespecting them. How about giving them credit for making Lidstrom's job so easy because they were such great examples. Articles like this Wigge one, seem more like taunting than anything else. I don't remember Fedorov being disrespected like this after he left the Wings. The Wings also did better the year after Fedorov left. We ended up winning the president's trophy and getting to the second round of the playoffs without Fedorov. I seem to remember the articles saying that we would've did even better with Fedorov. Well guess what? I think the Wings would've did even better with Yzerman and Shanny last year instead of Bertuzzi and Calder. I think the Wings would've won the cup.

Again.....

You, AND ONLY YOU, are making a big deal out of this, where there is nothing to make a fuss out of. Nobody is disrespecting anyone in this column.

[Guest Yzer19]

55fan, if it was written the way you wrote it your post then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Unfortunately, it's not. You are just making an assumption. I can understand not wanting to live in the past and not wanting to dwell on your own accomplishments, but they should at least respect the team's past and the great players that have played for the team. It just seems to me there is lack of respect for Yzerman. I just read another article not to long ago that said Lidstrom should've been captain of the team 16 years ago. It's little thinks like that, that bother me. If they are going to keep mentioning Yzerman and Shanny in articles then show them respect and give them the credit they deserve for helping to make these guys better leaders and for being such a good example. I'm tired of reading articles that try to prop up the other players at the expense of Yzerman and Shanny. They were a big part of the team and they deserve credit too. It's not like this was a last place team that miraculously turned into a playoff team after Yzerman and Shanny left.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

It just seems to me there is lack of respect for Yzerman.

There isn't.

[Guest Yzer19]

I can accept that you are having trouble getting over the loss of Yzerman and Shanny. But I just re-read that article and didn't get any kind of impression that there was a slight to either of them. In fact, it was a celebration of the leadership they brought to the team when they were with the team.

The questions posed were things like, "who will step up and fill the vacuum left by these two great leaders?" There were no statements like, "boy am I glad those bums are gone so the Red Wings don't suck anymore."

Denial is not a river in Egypt. Yzerman is retired and Shanny is a Ranger. If you are a Wings fan, then you will get over it. If all you are is a fan of Yzerman and Shanny, then you may want to go post on the HF Boards in the "History of Hockey" topic.

While I look forward to a new season, you are looking back at seasons gone past. The Red Wings STILL KICK ASS. They just have different people doing the kicking.

I'm definitely not having any trouble getting over the loss of Shanny. As for Yzerman, maybe a little. I still think he could've played and that he would've led the Wing to a cup last year instead of the choke job in the WCF. Anyways I'm just sick and tired of Yzerman and Shanny being thrown under the bus in articles and stuff to prop up the other players. In the article, Holland gives credit to Bowman for the success of the team. While Bowman deserves some credit, so do the players. I don't know, maybe the best thing would be for Yzerman to part ways with the Wings and go to another team. It's clear he will never be respected in Detroit. He needs to build his own team and lead them to cup in order to earn respect. He can no longer do it as a player.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I'm definitely not having any trouble getting over the loss of Shanny. As for Yzerman, maybe a little. I still think he could've played and that he would've led the Wing to a cup last year instead of the choke job in the WCF. Anyways I'm just sick and tired of Yzerman and Shanny being thrown under the bus in articles and stuff to prop up the other players. In the article, Holland gives credit to Bowman for the success of the team. While Bowman deserves some credit, so do the players. I don't know, maybe the best thing would be for Yzerman to part ways with the Wings and go to another team. It's clear he will never be respected in Detroit. He needs to build his own team and lead them to cup in order to earn respect. He can no longer do it as a player.

:looney:

[Guest Yzer19]

There isn't.

Trust me, there is a lack of respect for Yzerman. If they respect him so much then why don't they admit they were a better team with Yzerman in the lineup? Maybe it's because the Wings think they are better without Yzerman or at least that's what they want us to think. It's not true. The reality is with Yzerman there instead of Calder we probably would've won the cup. Calder did absolutely nothing for the Wings playoffs. He's not a better player than Yzerman or even Shanny for that matter. Yzerman would've helped the team with faceoffs, leadership, and 2nd line scoring. He was one of our best players in the 06 playoffs. Only Zetterberg was better.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Trust me, there is a lack of respect for Yzerman. If they respect him so much then why don't they admit they were a better team with Yzerman in the lineup? Maybe it's because the Wings think they are better without Yzerman or at least that's what they want us to think. It's not true. The reality is with Yzerman there instead of Calder we probably would've won the cup. Calder did absolutely nothing for the Wings playoffs. He's not a better player than Yzerman or even Shanny for that matter. Yzerman would've helped the team with faceoffs, leadership, and 2nd line scoring. He was one of our best players in the 06 playoffs. Only Zetterberg was better.

No, there is no lack of respect for Yzerman.

And the Yzerman/Calder comparison is a ridiculous apples to oranges comparison since Calder barely played at all in the playoffs and Calder isn't considered one of your main emotional leaders or main point producers.

I'll say it again, you are :looney: with this stuff.

Edited September 23, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[Kp-Wings 3]

If there was a lack of respect for Steve Yzerman, then why did they give him a VP position almost immediately after he retired, give him a 2 1/2 hour jersey retirement ceremony, and ask for his advice on every roster or team move they make?

All you're doing is trying to make a lame ass arguement for some reason. Yes, I would love to see Yzerman back too, and I think he could have been a great for us last playoffs. But let's face the facts: he's lucky he can even walk let alone skate after the surgery he had in 2002. He gave us three bonus seasons of excellent play, so be happy for that.

Stop blowing this whole thing out of proportion. Yzerman is appreciated very much.

[Yzermania19 1]

Good God, how many times do we have to go through this? Do you have a lack of short-term memory or something?

THERE IS NO LACK OF RESPECT FOR STEVE YZERMAN!!!

PLEASE get that through your stubborn brain!!!

All the article says is that, people thought the Wings were going to go downhill after Stevie retired and Shanny moved on, and that didn't happen. That's no disrespect to either Stevie or Shanny; if anything it is a compliment to them. I mean, how do you think Stevie would feel if, after he retired, the Wings said, "well that's it...we lost our Captain and our leader so we might as well just forget it. We can never be a good team again, not without Stevie. We're going to fold up the tents and go home because there goes our best chance of ever winning a Stanley Cup again, at least for the forseeable future." Do you see how ridiculous that is?

Instead, the Wings said, "okay, no Stevie, no Shanny, but we can do this! We've got a lot of good players, both young and veteran, who have played alongside Stevie for years and have learned from him...let's take all that knowledge and honor him the best way we know how - by winning!" Steve mentored a lot of the younger Wings players - can you imagine how proud he must have been over the way they played last season? You really insult Steve when you say things like "If they respect him so much then why don't they admit they were a better team with Yzerman in the lineup? Maybe it's because the Wings think they are better without Yzerman or at least that's what they want us to think. It's not true. The reality is with Yzerman there instead of Calder we probably would've won the cup." I mean, really, what a slap in the face!!

And also, once again - Stevie retired because he felt he could not play at the level he needed to be at in order to be an effective player for the Wings. And no, the Wings would not necessarily have won the Stanley Cup if Stevie was in the lineup this past spring. With that logic, the Wings should have 20 Stanley Cups, one for each season Stevie played for the Wings and they made the playoffs.

Please stop this insanity!!! You are an Yzerman fan - so am I. I miss him terribly on the ice and it's still strange to see Nick with the C. I would have loved to see him play several more years but his body - especially his knees - wouldn't let him do it. Let him go. He's not a player anymore. Let him enjoy his retirement and focus on being the best team VP he can be and perhaps work his way up to a GM position.

Every professional athlete - great or not - has to retire at some point and leave the game behind. The truly great ones know when it's time to step aside and let the next generation take over. Stevie knew his time as an NHL player was over. He bowed out gracefully rather than being forced out. He is to be admired for that.

He gave the Wings and the fans 22 fabulous seasons with enough magical goals and thrilling moments to fill hundreds of hours of video. He's a surefire Hall of Famer. No one will ever wear #19 in Detroit again. He deserves to be honored and revered like the Wings greats who have gone before - Gordie Howe, Ted Lindsay and the others whose numbers have been retired. You do him no honor by whining every time someone says something you view as a slight or an insult to Stevie. And you do him a great dishonor by implying the team cannot win the Cup without him in the lineup.

[Guest Yzer19]

Yzermania19, I never said the Wings can't win a cup without Yzerman. That's just not true. They've already won many cups without Yzerman. Other teams didn't have Yzerman on the team and have won cups. I just think that this past year Yzerman would've made a huge difference in the playoffs. He was always one of our best playoff players and you can't deny that. BTW Yzerman called it at the start of the last season that the team would be every bit as competitive as they were in the past. We obviously have different opinions of what is insulting and what's not. All I want to see is for them to give Yzerman credit for mentoring these younger players and even the vets especially Lidstrom who played with Yzerman for 15 years. He must have learned something from Yzerman. BTW did you see the article that said Lidstrom should've been captain 16 years ago? So basically that means that Lidstrom was always a great leader and he learned nothing from playing with Yzerman and Shanny.

kp-wings, did the wings really even have a choice? What would've happend if they didn't give Yzerman a VP job and if they didn't retire his number? It wouldn't have affected the team, but my guess is the fans wouldn't have been too happy about it and the Wings organization would look really bad. There would've needed a really good excuse for not doing either of those things especially the job since Yzerman had been looking forward to working in management. Even if they said Yzerman didn't want his number retired, they still would look bad.

Edited September 23, 2007 by Yzer19

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Yzermania19, I never said the Wings can't win a cup without Yzerman. That's just not true. They've already won many cups without Yzerman. Other teams didn't have Yzerman on the team and have won cups. I just think that this past year Yzerman would've made a huge difference in the playoffs. He was always one of our best playoff players and you can't deny that. BTW Yzerman called it at the start of the last season that the team would be every bit as competitive as they were in the past. We obviously have different opinions of what is insulting and what's not. All I want to see is for them to give Yzerman credit for mentoring these younger players and even the vets especially Lidstrom who played with Yzerman for 15 years. He must have learned something from Yzerman. BTW did you see the article that said Lidstrom should've been captain 16 years ago? So basically that means that Lidstrom was always a great leader and he learned nothing from playing with Yzerman and Shanny.

They give Yzerman credit for being a leader, learning from Yzerman, etc.

Now get of your conspiracy theory high horse and let this s**t go for crying out loud.