stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) first off, we have a WEALTH of talent just waiting on D - Ericsson, Quincy, Kindl, Brenden Smith in 3 years (yes, I left Meech out on purpose) and we already have a damn solid blueline... Secondly, ALL things aside, with what's out there, what do YOU think looks better going into the playoffs - Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Hudler - Forsberg - Samuelsson Franzen - Filpulla - Draper Drake - Cleary - Maltby Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Lilja Chelious-Lebda Hasek Osgood OR Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Hudler - Zetterberg - Samuelsson Draper - Filpulla - Cleary Drake - Kopecky - Maltby Lidstrom-Rafalski Markov-Kronwall Chelios-Lebda Hasek Osgood I think the choice is obvious... especially considering cap space/length of deal each guy would want... Edited October 15, 2007 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 Obviously you feel the first option is the better one given the title of the thread. However, I agree. That lineup is phenomenal, especially if they bring in a deadline acquisition on top of adding Forsberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 Obviously you feel the first option is the better one given the title of the thread. However, I agree. That lineup is phenomenal, especially if they bring in a deadline acquisition on top of adding Forsberg. haha, ok, so my bias is a little obvious in the title... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 first off, we have a WEALTH of talent just waiting on D - Ericsson, Quincy, Kindl, Brenden Smith in 3 years (yes, I left Meech out on purpose) and we already have a damn solid blueline... Secondly, ALL things aside, with what's out there, what do YOU think looks better going into the playoffs - Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Hudler - Forsberg - Samuelsson Franzen - Filpulla - Draper Drake - Cleary - Maltby Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Lilja Chelious-Lebda Hasek Osgood OR Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Hudler - Zetterberg - Samuelsson Draper - Filpulla - Cleary Drake - Kopecky - Maltby Lidstrom-Rafalski Markov-Kronwall Chelios-Lebda Hasek Osgood I think the choice is obvious... especially considering cap space/length of deal each guy would want... I completely disagree. I think the lack of d is a bigger issue than the lack of offensive depth. To say that the Wings have a wealth of talent waiting on to get a chance on d is true. However, if there is so much talent, why is a mediocre, at best, d man in Lilja on the roster? BTW, how do you justify having Lilja on the second d pairing in the first example, but not on the roster in the second? Not having a solid second unit d pair is much more of a problem than the second line up front. The biggest flaw I see with you roster example is Forsberg will cost double what Markov will cost. I'd much rather take Markov, and maybe someone like Selanne, than just Forsberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) I could see the Wings making a pitch for a guy like Michael Ryder. He's going to be a UFA and I don't see the Habs making the playoffs. He'd be a nice fit with either Datsyuk or Zetterberg. EDIT: If the Wings did pick up Ryder at the deadline he'd only cost them $612,000 for the remainder of the season. That leaves plenty of room if Detroit wanted to pick up a guy like Forsberg. Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Homer Hudler-Forsberg-Ryder Cleary-Filpulla-Sammy Drake-Franzen-Maltby NICE! Edited October 15, 2007 by Hank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,962 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) first off, we have a WEALTH of talent just waiting on D - Ericsson, Quincy, Kindl, Brenden Smith in 3 years (yes, I left Meech out on purpose) and we already have a damn solid blueline... Secondly, ALL things aside, with what's out there, what do YOU think looks better going into the playoffs - Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Hudler Fedorov - Forsberg - Samuelsson Franzen Cleary - Filpulla - Draper Downey- Drake - Maltby 13th FWD Samuelsson Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Lilja Quincey Chelios-Lebda 7th D-man Lilja Hasek Osgood ...there that makes it better! Edited October 15, 2007 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 I think the topic is right on, I feel our D is gonna be just fine since on top of our regular defencemen we still have guys like Quincey and Ericsson down in Grand Rapids waiting for their chance. We need a top-six forward first and foremost, preferably a goal-scoring winger rather than another playmaking center. That's why I'm not so high on Forsberg and of course his health is what it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) I completely disagree. I think the lack of d is a bigger issue than the lack of offensive depth. To say that the Wings have a wealth of talent waiting on to get a chance on d is true. However, if there is so much talent, why is a mediocre, at best, d man in Lilja on the roster? BTW, how do you justify having Lilja on the second d pairing in the first example, but not on the roster in the second? Not having a solid second unit d pair is much more of a problem than the second line up front. The biggest flaw I see with you roster example is Forsberg will cost double what Markov will cost. I'd much rather take Markov, and maybe someone like Selanne, than just Forsberg. How did you come to that conclusion? If Markov signs for anything over $2.75 million (which he will), no way does Forsberg get $5.5 million at this stage of his career given his injury situation and how long it will be before he joins said team. Edited October 15, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,962 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 How did you come to that conclusion? If Markov signs for anything over $2.75 million (which he will), no way does Forsberg get $5.5 million at this stage of his career given his injury situation and how long it will be before he joins said team. ...agreed, honestly though, I would pay Forsberg $5.5 million before I'd pay Markov $2.75... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 I agree, going into this years playoffs, I am much more comfortable with the situation of our D than our Offense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 Our D will settle down. If people are worried about the defense, they need to realize that it takes a period of time to adjust when you are replacing a 25-30 minute logging top 2 Dman, where youve had the same top 2 for, what? 3 seasons? Rafalski has played his entire career in one system. Try and remember how long it took Datsyuk and Zetterberg and our other scoring forwards to adjust to last years defense-first style when theyd played on an offense powered Wings teams for their entire careers. Rafalski will only get more and more integrated into our system, and when he does, our entire D will become more steady. And Im not sure if it was in this thread or another, but somebody said it was a longshot to get Ryder. Thats bulls***. If the Habs are down and out, Ryder will be the first one on the trading block. I could see the Wings making a pitch for a guy like Michael Ryder. He's going to be a UFA and I don't see the Habs making the playoffs. He'd be a nice fit with either Datsyuk or Zetterberg. EDIT: If the Wings did pick up Ryder at the deadline he'd only cost them $612,000 for the remainder of the season. That leaves plenty of room if Detroit wanted to pick up a guy like Forsberg. Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Homer Hudler-Forsberg-Ryder Cleary-Filpulla-Sammy Drake-Franzen-Maltby NICE! So...Drapes gets the boot??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 The guy I want is Micheal Ryder, the Habs wont be making the playoffs this year, he's on a one year deal so he wont cost alot of cap at the deadline, would only take sammy/hudler pick to get, Thats what I want. The wings have been rumored to be getting him as there goal scorer for the last 2 summers, sooner or later he's gonna come here. Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Ryder-Filpula-Franzen Maltby-Draper-Cleary Drake-Kopecky/Ellis-Downey/Sammy/Hudler (whichever one isnt traded) I do think, we need to add one more defenceman, but a goal scoring 2nd liner is more important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 Defense wins championships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Dynasty 267 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) So...Drapes gets the boot??? I was just about to say... I say that Sammy is the odd ball. Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Homer Hudler-Forsberg-Ryder Cleary-Filpulla-Franzen Drake-Draper-Maltby Edited October 15, 2007 by Wings_Dynasty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danroy169 0 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 If we're talking about the future (off season and seasons upcoming) then yes I agree, we need offense. However as it is this season, there are not that many options as far as offense goes. People seem to think that the Red Wings can trade for anyone, but the Wings don't really have all that many tradeable assets. The thing about trades are, usually both sides like to win. Like I said in the Markov thread, I would love to have Forsberg, however I would love to have Markov if Forsberg doesn't work out. You can never have a good enough defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 Forsberg is a great option. The injury thing is sort of meh but Detroit is probably one of the few teams that doesn't need him to be insanely good during the season and therefore there is less pressure around him in terms of expectations. Obviously he'll be expected to perform but it's not as critical to Detroit as it is to other teams. At the same time he comes to a team that wants to win, that wants to be the best and where he might be one of the final pieces in the puzzle. Why not show everyone he's as good as ever by coming in and dominating with a team that has a realistic shot. Also, there's NO way he'll go to a team that already looks like it's struggling or seems unbalanced. On the other hand we've lost to the 'Hawks twice . In the end I think he'll end up with Colorado. They have the cap space and a role for him. And can you imagine if he was on Detroit and we met them during the finals sometime. It would be way too strange... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grittzkey 1 Report post Posted October 15, 2007 Bring back Hatcher@@@@@ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 How did you come to that conclusion? If Markov signs for anything over $2.75 million (which he will), no way does Forsberg get $5.5 million at this stage of his career given his injury situation and how long it will be before he joins said team. Where did I get that? Several sources, such as TSN, have said that Forsberg would command upwards or $5.5. If you don't think there is a team out there that would be willing to pay that, you are just silly. Take Detroit for instance, they have about $3 in cap space. They could throw a $12 deal at him (with prorated salary, about a quarter of the season left at the trading deadline, which would be about Forsbergs deadline to play.) and still be under the cap. Don't rule out a darkhorse team like Pittsburgh who has a ton of cap space. If they get things turned around, they could be big players in the Forsberg sweepstakes. Markov, on the other hand, is having a hard time finding a take for his $3.5 request. Every second he sits out, he is losing money. Our D will settle down. If people are worried about the defense, they need to realize that it takes a period of time to adjust when you are replacing a 25-30 minute logging top 2 Dman, where youve had the same top 2 for, what? 3 seasons? Rafalski has played his entire career in one system. Try and remember how long it took Datsyuk and Zetterberg and our other scoring forwards to adjust to last years defense-first style when theyd played on an offense powered Wings teams for their entire careers. Rafalski will only get more and more integrated into our system, and when he does, our entire D will become more steady. And Im not sure if it was in this thread or another, but somebody said it was a longshot to get Ryder. Thats bulls***. If the Habs are down and out, Ryder will be the first one on the trading block. I am worried about both d and forwards, however, I think it's more crucial that the Wings get help on d. It has nothing to do with Ralfie not playing his best, or Lidstrom having difficulties getting used to Ralfie. It is the other four guys that worry me. Beyond the top pairing of Lidstrom, and Ralfalski, the Wings don't have a bonafide top four d man. No Kronwall isn't. I don't care how much potential any of the kids have, none of them are there yet. Yes, it does take game time experience to get to that level, but bottom line is they are at that level yet, and have a ways to go to get there. Even if Kronwall was there, that still leaves a gaping hole in the second pair. I think with the right partner, Kronwall could do well in that slot, but there isn't much available, yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 Any roster that has Chelios on it is going to be just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 Any roster that has Chelios on it is going to be just fine. What's to stop Chelios from playing every position, every game, for the entire game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 What's to stop Chelios from playing every position, every game, for the entire game? I can't see anything that would stop him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted October 16, 2007 I can't see anything that would stop him. If anyone can post a photoshopped roster sheet with Chelios from top to bottom, they win at everything. It could even fetch a pretty penny on Ebay, I am without doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
