daniel1 32 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) As I was replying to the "Underestimating our Brass" thread it got me thinking that at least 75% of the personnel moves made by the Wings in the last 10 years have been fairly good decisions. We haven't let too much talent get away for nothing when we've made a decision concerning drafting, trades, signings and non-signings. Which move (s) do you feel have been the Wings best and worst over the last 10 years? My choices would have to be; Best - drafting Z and Dats, trading for Shanahan and letting Legace go Worst - letting Knuble go and including Avery in the Schneider deal. Your choices? Edited October 19, 2007 by daniel1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckypete96 3 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Best: 1) Chelios for Erikson... god like trade 2) Getting Draper for $1 from the Jets (not sure if it was 11 or 12 years ago but w/e) Worst 1) Trading for Lang 2) Signing Hatcher 3) Trading away Kozlov (even though it was for Dom, we still gave up too much) 4) Trading away Avery Best: 1) Chelios for Erikson... god like trade 2) Getting Draper for $1 from the Jets (not sure if it was 11 or 12 years ago but w/e) Worst 1) Trading for Lang 2) Signing Hatcher 3) Trading away Kozlov (even though it was for Dom, we still gave up too much) 4) Trading away Avery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEVILSWATERBOY 10 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Drafting Zet and Dats along with trading for Shanny and signing Dom, these to me were the best moves Not offering Shanny enough to were he had to stay, drafting Primeau when Jagr was still on the board, not resigning Lapointe and the Krupp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
p.datsyuk13 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 best: - signing Brett Hull, Lucky Luc, and trading for Dom in 2002 - Drafting dats and z - trading for chelios - Signing Mike Babcock worst: -Letting shanny go -trading away kozlov -not resigning larionov (he should of retired a wing) -Giving dave Lewis the Head Coaching job..... it should have gone to Barry Smith - Not trading for all the rumored players that were "available" (luongo, thorton, etc.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 worst: -Letting shanny go -trading away kozlov - Not trading for all the rumored players that were "available" (luongo, thorton, etc.) -Shanny left on his own. -I know Kozlov had good playoff numbers, but I fail to see how trading hime for one of the greatest goalies ever is a bad move. Better yet, why do you have trading for Hasek as one of your best moves, and trading Kozlov as one of your worst? -How is it possible to know whether there was even a chance to get the rumored players? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lollipop 8 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Best: -Drafting Z and Dats, of course. -Trading for Chelios. -Getting Draper. (Close enough to 10 years.) Worst: -Not signing Larionov so he could retire a Wing. -Letting Shanny go so easily. -Not soothing Fedorov's ego so he'd stay (Yeah, I know he's been worthless since he signed with Anaheim/got traded to Columbus, but I think with us, he could have been good.) -Buying out McCarty's contract (Yes, I know we needed cap space, but DMac was really a big part of the heart of the team.) -Hatcher. Ugh. -Not offering Manny another contract! Awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 As I was replying to the "Underestimating our Brass" thread it got me thinking that at least 75% of the personnel moves made by the Wings in the last 10 years have been fairly good decisions. We haven't let too much talent get away for nothing when we've made a decision concerning drafting, trades, signings and non-signings. Which move (s) do you feel have been the Wings best and worst over the last 10 years? My choices would have to be; Best - drafting Z and Dats, trading for Shanahan and letting Legace go Worst - letting Knuble go and including Avery in the Schneider deal. Your choices? I fail to see what's so bad about those moves. Knuble is nothing with out Gagne, Forsberg, ect... and Avery in the Matty deal? What is the big deal with losing him? He is a problematic player who has had what, one good year? Best moves: Letting Manny walk Not re-signing Shanny Not trading for Luongo (would have taken Dats or Z) Drafting Z and Dats this list could go on... Worst moves: Giving Manny the starting job Re-signing Dom this past offseason Signing Uwe and Hatcher Letting Sergei go (I know his production has gone down, but at the time, he was one of the best in the game, and you could argue that if he were still here, playing with Dats and or Z, he'd still be up there, plus I love him) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Best: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hasek I, Hasek III Worst: Hasek II. (I love Hasek but they created quite a lockeroom mess by letting him come back after they had signed Cujo. I don't blame him for wanting to play but I do blame Wings' brass for bringing him back before getting rid of Joseph) I fail to see what's so bad about those moves. Knuble is nothing with out Gagne, Forsberg, ect... and Avery in the Matty deal? What is the big deal with losing him? He is a problematic player who has had what, one good year? Best moves: Letting Manny walk Not re-signing Shanny Not trading for Luongo (would have taken Dats or Z) Drafting Z and Dats this list could go on... Worst moves: Giving Manny the starting job Re-signing Dom this past offseason Signing Uwe and Hatcher Letting Sergei go (I know his production has gone down, but at the time, he was one of the best in the game, and you could argue that if he were still here, playing with Dats and or Z, he'd still be up there, plus I love him) They didn't LET Fedorov go. He was offered MORE by the Wings and chose to go anyways. Secondly, how can you say signing Hasek this past summer was one of their worst moves? You can make that determination after he's played all of five games? A little early for such a bold statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
isbister 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 The Good: My favorite move was Scotty B. telling Homer to learn to play in front of the net or he'd be gone. Any game plan against the orginization revolves around how to get Homers ass out of your goalies face. Every transaction made in 2002. Hiring Scotty B. And hiring Babcock Pav and Hank The Bad: Not picking up Brad isbister in free agency this off season. Cujo Legace Letting Karen Newman sing the Anthem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Best: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hasek I, Hasek III Worst: Hasek II. (I love Hasek but they created quite a lockeroom mess by letting him come back after they had signed Cujo. I don't blame him for wanting to play but I do blame Wings' brass for bringing him back before getting rid of Joseph) They didn't LET Fedorov go. He was offered MORE by the Wings and chose to go anyways. Secondly, how can you say signing Hasek this past summer was one of their worst moves? You can make that determination after he's played all of five games? A little early for such a bold statement. Ahhh no. They changed the contract offer at the last minute to be of a shorter duration AND refused to give him more time to think about it or consult a new agent (he had to fire the old one). Oh and they showed little sympathy to the fact that he had just gone through a divorce and had no real council aside from his narcesistic father who constantly gave Feds terrible advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vincanni 1 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Top three in order for me would be, 1) Drafting Zetterberg, 2) Drafting Dats, and 3) the Chelios trade. Worst would be the collective effort to strip this team of all toughness in recent years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vancouver Wings Fan 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 The Good: My favorite move was Scotty B. telling Homer to learn to play in front of the net or he'd be gone. Any game plan against the orginization revolves around how to get Homers ass out of your goalies face. Every transaction made in 2002. Hiring Scotty B. And hiring Babcock Pav and Hank The Bad: Not picking up Brad isbister in free agency this off season. Cujo Legace Letting Karen Newman sing the Anthem Karen Newman bad???!!! She could mumble the phone book for all I care...she's smokin'! The bad is that they take the camera off her too soon!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBadOne 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) The Good Decisions: - Chelios for Erikkson - Finding Datsyuk and Zetterberg using late-round draft picks. - Assembling the 01-02 Detroit Red Wings. That was one of the best hockey teams in the history of the league. - Letting Devereaux go. - Getting Ozzie back. - Keeping a defibrillator near the bench. - Letting Legace go (great goalie, but his mouth with the media would have gotten them in trouble.) - Finding Cleary and Samuelsson in the bargain bin and turning them into important pieces of the puzzle. - The Matt Ellis project that turned him from an undrafted junior to a player worthy of a spot on the Wings roster. - Getting Downey and Drake on-board to reinforce team toughness. - Most important, getting Mike Babcock as the head coach. The Bad: - Acquiring Ranford, Clark, and Ulf F---ing Samuelsson at the 99 trade deadline. Great players, but way past their prime and ineffective. - The Cujo/Hasek fiasco. - Trading Avery. - Signing Dave Lewis as the head coach instead of Mike Babcock, where Babcock took the Ducks to the Cup finals that year. - Losing three intriguing goalie prospects (MacDonald, McIntyre, Liv) within a year to have that go from being the team's deepest position to their most shallow. - Not giving Lang the minutes he deserved. In retrospect, he was never truly appreciated in Detroit. - Not keeping an effective enforcer around for the past two seasons. - The Bertuzzi trade. We lost a decent prospect for a rental player that couldn't stay healthy and didn't re-sign. - Locking Maltby up to a long-term deal. He's just not the same player he used to be since the lockout. - Not lowering the ticket prices after realizing games weren't selling out in the playoffs. Edited October 19, 2007 by TheBadOne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Best: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hasek I, Hasek III Worst: Hasek II. (I love Hasek but they created quite a lockeroom mess by letting him come back after they had signed Cujo. I don't blame him for wanting to play but I do blame Wings' brass for bringing him back before getting rid of Joseph) Secondly, how can you say signing Hasek this past summer was one of their worst moves? You can make that determination after he's played all of five games? A little early for such a bold statement. He was referring to Hasek's second stint with us, not his current tour of duty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Best: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hasek I, Hasek III Worst: Hasek II. (I love Hasek but they created quite a lockeroom mess by letting him come back after they had signed Cujo. I don't blame him for wanting to play but I do blame Wings' brass for bringing him back before getting rid of Joseph) They didn't LET Fedorov go. He was offered MORE by the Wings and chose to go anyways. Secondly, how can you say signing Hasek this past summer was one of their worst moves? You can make that determination after he's played all of five games? A little early for such a bold statement. We could argue the Fedorov thing all day, but IMO, the let him walk. However, on Hasek, your logic is severly flawed. How can you, in one sentence say re-signing for the third time is one of the best moves, yet in another sentence say that I can't say it's one of the worst moves because it hasn't had tiem to play out yet? I'm getting a headache trying to think about that one. Seriously, I hate Dom, I think he is an average 'tender on a good night, and a good 'tender on his best night. The Wings won't win the Cup with him in net and the team as is in front of him. Some serious moves need to be made. He was referring to Hasek's second stint with us, not his current tour of duty. Nope, I was referring to the current stint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyoski 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Within 10 years. Best ----- Trade for Chelios - and we thought he only had a few years left in the tank back then Not re-signing Legace -he is not the clutch goalie needed for the playoffs Not re-signing Marty Lapointe - great while he was here, but getting a $5.5 mil/season contract??? Worst ------ Free agent signing: (tie) Krupp and Hatcher Trade: 50th round pick for Cory Cross Free agent let go: Larionov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 The Good Decisions: - Finding Cleary and Samuelsson in the bargain bin and turning them into important pieces of the puzzle. The Bad: - Trading Avery. - Signing Dave Lewis as the head coach instead of Mike Babcock, where Babcock took the Ducks to the Cup finals that year. - Losing three intriguing goalie prospects (MacDonald, McIntyre, Liv) within a year to have that go from being the team's deepest position to their most shallow. - Not giving Lang the minutes he deserved. In retrospect, he was never truly appreciated in Detroit. Good: Since when has Sammy ever been an important piece of any teams puzzle?! Bad: Isn't Liv still Wings property? On the Wings official website he is listed as a prospect. However, so is Greg Johnson.... My view on Lang is this, and if you look back at his success, I think you'll see why. Lang is an incredible talent, he is great with the puck. But he needs to be motivated. Here in Detroit, he wasn't first, second, or even third fiddle. He was burried on the second line, an afterthought almost. He needs to be depended on, and a first line guy to succeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Only two mentions of Uwe Krupp? He and Hatcher have to go down as the Wings' biggest FA busts yet. Letting Igor walk was dumb too, but they recognized it and made a great trade to get him back. Trading for Lang does NOT belong on the list. Lang provided reliable second-line scoring, which now that he's gone, ranks #1 on the list of things we need, IMO. And all that Holland gave up was a nondescript prospect and some draft picks. And no mention of Larry Murphy on the "best" lists? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Best: -Drafting Z and Dats, of course. -Trading for Chelios. -Getting Draper. (Close enough to 10 years.) Worst: -Not signing Larionov so he could retire a Wing. -Letting Shanny go so easily. -Not soothing Fedorov's ego so he'd stay (Yeah, I know he's been worthless since he signed with Anaheim/got traded to Columbus, but I think with us, he could have been good.) -Buying out McCarty's contract (Yes, I know we needed cap space, but DMac was really a big part of the heart of the team.) -Hatcher. Ugh. -Not offering Manny another contract! Awful. I'd like to think this is a joke, but based on your signature, it's probably not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted October 19, 2007 As I was replying to the "Underestimating our Brass" thread it got me thinking that at least 75% of the personnel moves made by the Wings in the last 10 years have been fairly good decisions. We haven't let too much talent get away for nothing when we've made a decision concerning drafting, trades, signings and non-signings. Which move (s) do you feel have been the Wings best and worst over the last 10 years? My choices would have to be; Best - drafting Z and Dats, trading for Shanahan and letting Legace go Worst - letting Knuble go and including Avery in the Schneider deal. Your choices? Knuble sucked back when he was trade. Avery did nothing but rack up penalty minutes and make an ass of himself before this last season--letting him go to pick up Schneider was an absolute coup. Hindsight is 20/20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Good: Chelios Trade Murphy Trade Shanahan and Draper trades Dom Trade Giving Cleary a 2nd chance Letting Feds walk Bad: Krupp and Hatcher Losing Avery, I really liked Schnieder, but I liked Avery too. Buying out McCarty Edited October 19, 2007 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 The Good: - Chelios - Murphy - Hasek - Not re-signing Legace The Bad: - Hatcher - Dave Lewis The Ugly: - Krupp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luvmnger 125 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 nobody is calling out a famous bad move. letting sir dallas drake go for bob essensa and sergie bautin hello! trading dino ciccarelli for a draft pick out of florida. dino had 2 of his best seasons after that and could have got his name on the cup...sniff. uwe krupp is by far the biggest hand grenade to every been throw in the detroit locker room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daniel1 32 Report post Posted October 19, 2007 Knuble sucked back when he was trade. Avery did nothing but rack up penalty minutes and make an ass of himself before this last season--letting him go to pick up Schneider was an absolute coup. Hindsight is 20/20. Well of course it is; that's how we know they were bad moves. Knuble was only here for two years, but someone 6' 3" and 230lbs with good hands should have been given a bit more of a chance i thought. Avery is just the type of player Babs likes, gets under your skin, competes real hard, doesn't back down from anyone and is also has decent skills as well. It's not like I'm saying I KNEW they were going to turn out to be good players, it's just that if we knew how they would turn out, we probably would have wanted to keep them around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted October 20, 2007 worst: letting shanny go so easy trading away avery signing hatcher buying out dmac, trading kozlov and marty best: drafting zets and dats, bringing back ozzie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
