ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 If anything I would say Zetta's amazing point streak is mostly due to Dats, I mean Zetta is great but without Datsyuk setting him up, IDK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnipotent_hudler 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Datsyuk has always taken a little bit to get going.. he was slow to start last season too. Good news is hes still a big reason why that first line is clicking, and his Defensive play and passing are as sharp as ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 I might be alone on this, but just hear me out. Could it be that Dats is being told to shoot more from the coaching staff, so he is doing just that, shooting more. So instead of making that extra deke to get into even better shooting position, he is taking a wrist shot from 30-40 feet out. Not only does this result in a lower percentage shot, a lesser scoring chance, but also would take away from his highlight reel goals. I have noticed that he is shooting more on his break away opportunities, but maybe that's because he now has some more confidence in his shot. And no, it has nothing to do with the stick. I bought the "O" stick, and my stick handeling abilities have increased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted October 30, 2007 If anything I would say Zetta's amazing point streak is mostly due to Dats, I mean Zetta is great but without Datsyuk setting him up, IDK I think you are absolutely right. This line is very hot due to Dats and play making. He will score too, but Homer and even Hank owe him a lot and I'm sure they recognize his abilities to make things happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSBrooks13 204 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 I dunno how important it is for the Red Wings at the moment to have Datsyuk lighting it up on the scoreboard. But you have to admit that even if he isnt exactly on fire with his goal scoring, If I was to tell you that Datsyuk would miss the next 10 games then this place would be in a panic. I think that says a lot about his play so far this season right there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houdini 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 You guys must not be listening to post games or the coach. 1 He needs to shoot more. 2. Talk has been that he's being a more overall player. So take what you want and the fact that Homer and Hank are scoreing someone has to play D. I admit I haven't been listing to the post games, but I can't believe they are saying Pavel needs to shoot more. I've noticed Datsyuk shooting a ton more this year compared to previous years. In fact, if he keeps up this pace his shot total for this year will more than double any of his previous years, except for last year. But even compare to last year he's STILL shooting 50% more. If he keeps up the pace he'll end up with 301 SOG which would have put him 11th place for most shots in the entire NHL last year. Of course, most of his shots have been 40 feet out as a few other posters have already stated. Still, Pavel has a wicked hard wrist shot and I've seem him score plenty of times out there. His goal scoring will come soon, I know it... - Houdini Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 I think you are absolutely right. This line is very hot due to Dats and play making. He will score too, but Homer and even Hank owe him a lot and I'm sure they recognize his abilities to make things happen. so the real reason this line is hot is because of the guy with 13 points (2 goals and 11 assists), not the guy with 21 (9 goals and 12 assists), or that other guy with 8 goals and 6 assists? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) You guys must not be listening to post games or the coach. 1 He needs to shoot more. 2. Talk has been that he's being a more overall player. So take what you want and the fact that Homer and Hank are scoreing someone has to play D. I totally hear what your're saying, but its not as if Z has sacrificed his defensive game whatsoever with the points he's racking up. He's still defensively responsible first, and offensively potent second. It's just that right now he's tearing up the league in both. Edit: Grammar Edited October 30, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsZR2 1 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Dats is an unbelievable set up man. His shot will come, for the time being I don't think there is one bad thing we can say about our # 1 line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 All I know is he has to shoot more, not less. There's already been several times this year where he was in a great scoring position but opted to try and make a pass for a spectacular play. He's got a great wrist shot. He needs to use it. indeed. but maybe that's what he'll always play like? pass first. although id lovee to see him shoot more like anybody else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingNutt 12 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Pavel is fine, He is playing spectacular this season, His points totals say it all. He may not have a ton of goals, yet... but He is a huge huge part of Zetterberg's hot streak, Pavel is not greedy with the puck not saying Hank or anyone else is but he is just as satisfied setting up a beautiful goal as scoring one. Pasha, Z, and Homer are playing amazing and are once again the best line in the NHL. and not to mention extremly entertaining to watch their skill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Pavel is fine, He is playing spectacular this season, His points totals say it all. He may not have a ton of goals, yet... but He is a huge huge part of Zetterberg's hot streak, Pavel is not greedy with the puck not saying Hank or anyone else is but he is just as satisfied setting up a beautiful goal as scoring one. Pasha, Z, and Homer are playing amazing and are once again the best line in the NHL. and not to mention extremly entertaining to watch their skill. i know he's been fine otherwise, but you have to admit his shot has been pretty poor thus far. 4.5% is terrible by any forward's standards, let alone datsyuk's, who normally has such an accurate shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Wait till the injury bug hits hard (see KEY players whose name starts with Z) and Datsyuk will tear it up and carry the team on his back. Just like he does every season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Wait till the injury bug hits hard (see KEY players whose name starts with Z) and Datsyuk will tear it up and carry the team on his back. Just like he does every season. it's like you're practically wishing Z to get hurt. Nice. Dats will be fine. It's early in the season still, and who cares about his shooting %. I'd rather he shoot more and have that be lower, because ultimately it will lead to more goals and assists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Why would anyone be worried about Datysuk and lack of goal scoring. I have never really looked for that from him. He will get some goals, but he's basically a 25-30 goal man, which is good, but he's a star because of his ability to set up others. Since he is still setting up a lot of goals....what's to worry about? So what if his shooting % is down, just means he is shooting more, which probably creates more opportunities (rebounds, etc.) The guy isn't a sniper so don't be worried if he isn't piling up a bunch of goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 I'd say it's a concern to a limited extent as we all want Datsyuk to score a few more goals. However, when he's still had a hand in a good amount of the goals being scored so far this season and averaging over a point a game with just two goals, it's hard to really complain obsessively about him. A point is a point no matter how you get it, and Datsyuk has definitely been one of the main cogs on offense so far this year even though he's only netted 2 goals so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
union drone 0 Report post Posted November 1, 2007 You know that life is good for the winged-wheel when fans are complaining that a guy scoring roughly a point per game on a team that is 10-2-1 gets singled out as "disappointing". Yeah, sure, his goal total is less than where you'd expect it to be, but last time i checked Dats is tied for 16th in scoring (13GP, 2G, 12A) and could still step it up a notch or two. Relax! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LivingtheDream Report post Posted November 28, 2007 Given Pavel's performance last night with the Flames, this thread needs a bump. I'd say our boy is getting it all going again!!! Like Yzerman himself said (note, he knows more about hockey than we do) every time he thinks one of the euro twins is better than the other, the other does something amazing and he goes back and forth... A good mother doesn't compare her children, let's just be happy we have these two (Hank and Pavel). They are awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 28, 2007 Wait till the injury bug hits hard (see KEY players whose name starts with Z) and Datsyuk will tear it up and carry the team on his back. Just like he does every season. Datsyuk has done that once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 28, 2007 Datsyuk has done that at least three times. fixed it In 2004 when Detroit were the Grand Rapid Griffins. Remember Matt's Band-aid? In 2005 for a small stretch. And last year as well. More than once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted November 28, 2007 I might be alone on this, but just hear me out. Could it be that Dats is being told to shoot more from the coaching staff, so he is doing just that, shooting more. So instead of making that extra deke to get into even better shooting position, he is taking a wrist shot from 30-40 feet out. Not only does this result in a lower percentage shot, a lesser scoring chance, but also would take away from his highlight reel goals. I have noticed that he is shooting more on his break away opportunities, but maybe that's because he now has some more confidence in his shot. And no, it has nothing to do with the stick. I bought the "O" stick, and my stick handeling abilities have increased. The higher level of hockey you play, you will generally stickhandle less and less. When you have an open shot on net, you usually take it. Making extra little moves is normally ill advised. As players in the NHL gain experience, you will notcie that they try less and less to stickhandle around everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted November 28, 2007 I might be alone on this, but just hear me out. Could it be that Dats is being told to shoot more from the coaching staff, so he is doing just that, shooting more. So instead of making that extra deke to get into even better shooting position, he is taking a wrist shot from 30-40 feet out. Not only does this result in a lower percentage shot, a lesser scoring chance, but also would take away from his highlight reel goals. The most amazing stickhandler in terms of dekes is often not the BEST stickhandler, nor does an extra deke necessarily get you better shooting position. Case in point: I remember one play where Alexei Kovalev, one of the most phenomenal puckhandlers I've ever seen, rushed the puck into the zone rather than dump it while his linemates went to the bench for a forward line change. He had a decent opportunity from the high slot and almost decided to shoot, but instead chose to deke around the guy. This ended up forcing him to the outside, as the defenseman was able to step up. By this point, defenseman had set up at the points and the entire opposing team was in the defensive zone. Kovalev tried to deke around the defender, and was forced behind the net. Ultimately, he ended up trying a couple more dekes and then losing the puck without so much as a scoring chance. Every deke ended up putting him in worse position than he had previously; all he had to do was shoot. I have noticed that he is shooting more on his break away opportunities, but maybe that's because he now has some more confidence in his shot. And no, it has nothing to do with the stick. I bought the "O" stick, and my stick handeling abilities have increased. Do you play at a level where you can justify buying the "O" stick? If not...I'm calling it as either BS or a very poor financial decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted November 28, 2007 Do you play at a level where you can justify buying the "O" stick? If not...I'm calling it as either BS or a very poor financial decision. Me too. I haven't seen a single NHLer ever say the O stick or any new stick has improved their stickhandling. If you used a wooden stick your stickhandling would improve simply by practice. As with most things you do, the more you practice the better you get at it. The O stick and these other wastes of money are supposed to be and are purported to be best at helping people ramp up the velocity on their shots. They haven't been shown to do anything else with regards to improving puck handling or shot accuracy. Again, those are things that improve with practice. "O" stick? Stands for "O", no you ditn't waste that much money on a hockey stick, did you? GST has yet to meet a composite stick his Sherwood 5030 hasn't enjoyed for lunch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted November 29, 2007 His shot 'twas definitely "up" :thumbump: last night! A good mother doesn't compare her children, let's just be happy we have these two (Hank and Pavel). They are awesome. I pray, for the love of god, for people to do the same with both goaltenders we have and end the stupid pointless comparisons and bashing of either of them. If this miracle actually ever happens, I will do 100 cartwheels in a row and then pack my bags and go on a Caribbean cruise and drink foo-foo banana split drinks and skinny dip in the Caribbean Sea in stunned celebration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 29, 2007 (edited) fixed it In 2004 when Detroit were the Grand Rapid Griffins. Remember Matt's Band-aid? In 2005 for a small stretch. And last year as well. More than once. Haha. If the likes of Lidstrom, Shanahan, and Zetterberg had all been out for a stretch of time, I might buy this logic, but by no stretch of the imagination did he ever carry the team on his back in either 2004 or 2005. In fact, the reason why the Wings still succeeded when LGW had the band-aid was because of the great playing of the call-ups. And as for 2005, Datsyuk missed more games than Zetterberg, Lidstrom, and Shanahan, so never did he carry an injury riddled team. He may have been hot when other players werent, but similarly other plays were hot when he wasnt. In fact, if ANYTHING, Zetterberg carried the team for the entire season in 2005, considering he was buoying Samuelsson and Holmstrom on a line for the entire year. At that point, neither Sammy nor Holmstrom had ever scored more than 20 goals, yet Hank only finished 2 points behind Datsyuk without the all-star winger on his line. Edited November 29, 2007 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites