great illustration of talent difference

[T.Low 1,011]

I couldn't watch the Wings/Preds last week so I caught the video highlights. It was interesting in the shootout that Radulov wasn't able to fool Osgood with the forehand deke, but then Zetterberg fooled Mason on the exact same move on the very next attempt.

Not only did Z do a much better job of selling the move (and Mason bought it hook, line, and sinker!), but Osgood also showed great discipline and patience (and confidence) in stoning Radulov.

Wings were better and more skilled on both sides of the puck.

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console?hlg=20072008,2,216

[Cicada 4]

Radulov is also only a 2nd year player. He's going to be a star in the future. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

[theman19 47]

if you watched Radulov in last years playoffs he was the only pred (besides the now thankfully retired peter forsberg) to show up.

[T.Low 1,011]

if you watched Radulov in last years playoffs he was the only pred (besides the now thankfully retired peter forsberg) to show up.

so it may have been that particular shootout attempt for him, or the fact that Ozzie is hot, or a combination of both (realizing, of course that one is not going to look great on every single shootout attempt). I did think the video showed that his range of motion and point of emphasis during his deke was far less than Z's.

[yzerman&thewings=CUP 0]

Radulov is also only a 2nd year player. He's going to be a star in the future. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

I agree, he has some sick talent so hold off on the criticism

[T.Low 1,011]

I agree, he has some sick talent so hold off on the criticism

I didn't think I was criticizing him, just pointing out how the video shows the skill level difference. Its kinda cool that you get to watch the same move back to back by two different players on two different goalies and get two different results. Its not a criticism to show a little less skill on a given shootout than Z. I guess he just didn't have sick talent on that particular play.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

I didn't think I was criticizing him, just pointing out how the video shows the skill level difference. Its kinda cool that you get to watch the same move back to back by two different players on two different goalies and get two different results. Its not a criticism to show a little less skill on a given shootout than Z. I guess he just didn't have sick talent on that particular play.

well, zetterberg is actually usually pretty bad in shootouts.

[HomeNugget 2]

i think it has a lot to do with ozzie too. i've always thought that he's been great on breakaways and shootouts.

[hckypete96 3]

z isn't bad in shootouts are u stupid???

[Earthhuman 8]

z isn't bad in shootouts are u stupid???

If he was bad he would shoot every single shootout.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I didn't think I was criticizing him, just pointing out how the video shows the skill level difference. Its kinda cool that you get to watch the same move back to back by two different players on two different goalies and get two different results. Its not a criticism to show a little less skill on a given shootout than Z. I guess he just didn't have sick talent on that particular play.

It was one shootout attempt? Seriously, I've seen HOF level players miff the puck completely, have it fly off the end of their stick or trip themselves up and crash into the goal.

here, maybe you should get a broader view before you make up your mind.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w_ZwEoGpa6o

check out his last shootout move at the end of the clip. I think he's got that backhand down pretty well.

[T.Low 1,011]

It was one shootout attempt? Seriously, I've seen HOF level players miff the puck completely, have it fly off the end of their stick or trip themselves up and crash into the goal.

here, maybe you should get a broader view before you make up your mind.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w_ZwEoGpa6o

check out his last shootout move at the end of the clip. I think he's got that backhand down pretty well.

Nice vid. Had to mute the Rap, but the hockey moves were sweet. Thanks. Read my posts and you'll notice I wasn't talking about any of those goals, though. Wasn't talking about the broader view, never wrote the dude off, never said he had crappy skils. I said campared to Henrik Zetterberg, in that particular shootout, Z sold the moves a lot more than Rudalov did. Mason bit, and Ozzie didn't. Even gave a link to the video so you could analyze it yourself to see what I was talking about. Its not often you get to compare the exact same move from two dudes only seconds apart. Not sure why its a problem for everyone. You'd think I posted something nasty about Rudalov on his little sister's website or something.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Nice vid. Had to mute the Rap, but the hockey moves were sweet. Thanks. Read my posts and you'll notice I wasn't talking about any of those goals, though. Wasn't talking about the broader view, never wrote the dude off, never said he had crappy skils. I said campared to Henrik Zetterberg, in that particular shootout, Z sold the moves a lot more than Rudalov did. Mason bit, and Ozzie didn't. Even gave a link to the video so you could analyze it yourself to see what I was talking about. Its not often you get to compare the exact same move from two dudes only seconds apart. Not sure why its a problem for everyone. You'd think I posted something nasty about Rudalov on his little sister's website or something.

Well, maybe its the way it was presented. You made it sound like Zetterberg was a god and Radulov was lucky to be in the NHL.

It struck a chord with me because it just screamed "homerism" and I absolutely hate that s***. That, and I knew coming into this season that Radulov was the most talented, most naturally gifted player on the Predators roster.

Also, you can't compare skill levels of two players who are going up against two different goaltenders. There's 4 variables there, not head to head matchup between Z and Rads.

For instance, if you had Zetterberg face Marty Brodeur all day long and make the move and Radulov face Patrick Lalime, you might be talking about how far superior Radulov's skill level is compared to Zetterbergs.

[Legionnaire11 0]

Mason also played that shootout terribly. he's generally a great shootout goalie, he stays upright and doesn't bite on dekes, stays square and forces the shooters into favorable angles, but for some reason on both the Datsyuk and Zetterberg shots, he overcommitted early.

Last season he was way better than Vokoun in the shootouts. Seemed to correct it again last night.

as for Radulov. he went in the Ovechkin draft, all the scouts said he had the second best offensive talent behidn Ovechking, but lacked the overall game and had a bad attitude... so he fell to 15th or something. hasn't shown any bad attitude, the kid is great.

[Hank 0]

I couldn't watch the Wings/Preds last week so I caught the video highlights. It was interesting in the shootout that Radulov wasn't able to fool Osgood with the forehand deke, but then Zetterberg fooled Mason on the exact same move on the very next attempt.

Not only did Z do a much better job of selling the move (and Mason bought it hook, line, and sinker!), but Osgood also showed great discipline and patience (and confidence) in stoning Radulov.

Wings were better and more skilled on both sides of the puck.

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console?hlg=20072008,2,216

Wow. Just because one guy scores and another doesn't, it doesn't mean one's so much better than the other.

Wayne Gretzky was 0-9 on penalty shots in his career while Jussi Jokinen was almost perfect in shootouts last season. Does that make Jokinen a MUCH better player than Gretzky? Hardly.

There are plenty of guys in the league who are great shootout artists but suck in a real game.

With the exeception of Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom I would give up anyone else on my team for Radulov. And in about 2-3 seasons, Nashville probably wouldn't trade him for anyone on our team but Zetterberg. That includes Lidstrom and Datsyuk.

Judging one's talent in a shootout is like judging an NBA players talent in a slam-dunk contest. The two have nothing to do with how the player is in actual games.

Nice vid. Had to mute the Rap, but the hockey moves were sweet. Thanks. Read my posts and you'll notice I wasn't talking about any of those goals, though. Wasn't talking about the broader view, never wrote the dude off, never said he had crappy skils. I said campared to Henrik Zetterberg, in that particular shootout, Z sold the moves a lot more than Rudalov did. Mason bit, and Ozzie didn't. Even gave a link to the video so you could analyze it yourself to see what I was talking about. Its not often you get to compare the exact same move from two dudes only seconds apart. Not sure why its a problem for everyone. You'd think I posted something nasty about Rudalov on his little sister's website or something.

I understand that but when you title your thread "great illustration of talent difference, Zetterberg vs Radulov" it sure comes off that you're implying that Zetterburg has a wealth more talent than Radulov because of one shootout instance.

Zetterbergs move worked that time while Radulov's didn't. If they were to do it 10 more times the results could be vastly different.

Edited November 11, 2007 by Hank

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Mason also played that shootout terribly. he's generally a great shootout goalie, he stays upright and doesn't bite on dekes, stays square and forces the shooters into favorable angles, but for some reason on both the Datsyuk and Zetterberg shots, he overcommitted early.

Last season he was way better than Vokoun in the shootouts. Seemed to correct it again last night.

as for Radulov. he went in the Ovechkin draft, all the scouts said he had the second best offensive talent behidn Ovechking, but lacked the overall game and had a bad attitude... so he fell to 15th or something. hasn't shown any bad attitude, the kid is great.

Sort of like how Hudler was ranked as the most talented center in the 2002 draft, but dropped to 58th because of his size?

[2probert4 8]

I didn't think I was criticizing him, just pointing out how the video shows the skill level difference.

That doesn't prove anything.

[T.Low 1,011]

Wow. Just because one guy scores and another doesn't, it doesn't mean one's so much better than the other.

Wayne Gretzky was 0-9 on penalty shots in his career while Jussi Jokinen was almost perfect in shootouts last season. Does that make Jokinen a MUCH better player than Gretzky? Hardly.

There are plenty of guys in the league who are great shootout artists but suck in a real game.

With the exeception of Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom I would give up anyone else on my team for Radulov. And in about 2-3 seasons, Nashville probably wouldn't trade him for anyone on our team but Zetterberg. That includes Lidstrom and Datsyuk.

Judging one's talent in a shootout is like judging an NBA players talent in a slam-dunk contest. The two have nothing to do with how the player is in actual games.

I understand that but when you title your thread "great illustration of talent difference, Zetterberg vs Radulov" it sure comes off that you're implying that Zetterburg has a wealth more talent than Radulov because of one shootout instance.

Zetterbergs move worked that time while Radulov's didn't. If they were to do it 10 more times the results could be vastly different.

You are right. I see how my thread title could be misleading. Seems like most people got emotional from reading the bad title and my point was lost. BECAUSE it was Rudalov, I thought it was "interesting that in the shootout he didn't fool Osgood" and that particular deke was sub-par.

People obviously responded emotional to the lame title instead of being curious and analytical by reading the body of the post, watching the video and saying "Hmm, his deke was sub-par, he looks worn out or something, and Ozzie did look great. Wow, Zetterberg's deke did have a lot more emphasis on it and Mason bought the farm on that one. Hmm... is it due to the long layoff so the Wings look fresh with their skills still sharp after OT and the Preds dead tired? Hmm The Wings did show more skill on both ends of the puck, there". I wasn't judgin the dude, just how half hearted that particular move was compared to Z's and the subsequent results, with video link so all could see the same thing (and enjoy some other highlights along the way).

I realize thats a lot of extrapolation for most, and I apologize to all the ladies out there that have a crush on Rudalov. I vow to more carefully craft my threads from this point onward.

Edit: typo

Edited November 11, 2007 by T.Low