Kutcher 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 Bigger nets? Why not smaller pucks? Why not get rid of goalies altogether and have the net shrunk to 6ft x 3ft? More scoring would occur right? /sarcasm off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Mann 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 I'd much rather seem the adopt a 4 on 4 play than bigger nets. Open things up, make the game faster... OT periods are some of the best hockey around. Granted it's OT...but I love watching 4 on 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shannyfan1414 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 There are some things that you just dont mess with. The size of then net is one of those things in my opinion. What is next, maybe we can have the players ues larger blades so that they dont miss the puck so much on one timers. Or we start using a larger puck or maybe not even use a puck anymore. Instead they could use a giant ball that would be eaiser for the goalie to see and eaiser to make hit with those over sized sticks. I really hope that they don't increase the size of the nets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 I don't determine the quality of play based solely on how many goals are scored in a game. If its a fast paced game with lots of shots and scrambles and scrums and whatnot, then its a game that I'm going to enjoy. Exactly. Unfortunately the majority of games don't feature anything that you described above either. Concerning the equipment, you seriously need to get your hands on some old equipment. Pictures do not do them justice. Like I mentioned I play floor hockey using old 80's goalie gear. And last season I subbed in as a goalie for a pickup ice-hockey game where I got to use some new stuff. It wasn't even close in comparison to size. The goalie that I borrowed stuff from is about 2 inches shorter than I am and at least 20 lbs lighter. And yet, I felt like I was swimming in gear. His trapper was a good 4-5 inches bigger in diamater than the one I use in floor hockey and the leg pads were a good 5-6 inches longer. I'm not the only one that has said this. Phil Esposito goes on and on about how the goalie gloves today are like a bushel basket. His own brother, Hall of Famer Tony Esposito says the same thing. From the trapper to the blocker to the length of the pads (not to mention the upper body equipment) everything is larger today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 The old pads are definitely smaller. Here's some proof; Patty Roy in basically the same position several years apart. Notice particularly the enlarged trapper and chest protector. His leg pads are not significantly larger, but that's not where the difference is made on a butterfly goaltender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kutcher 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 The old pads are definitely smaller. Here's some proof; Patty Roy in basically the same position several years apart. Notice particularly the enlarged trapper and chest protector. His leg pads are not significantly larger, but that's not where the difference is made on a butterfly goaltender. His equipment is the same size in both those pics, the size of the pics skews the view and makes it seem like the latter is smaller. His hands are in the same position and are taking up the same amount of net, so how can the pads be of different measurements? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 His equipment is the same size in both those pics, the size of the pics skews the view and makes it seem like the latter is smaller. His hands are in the same position and are taking up the same amount of net, so how can the pads be of different measurements? His leg pads are about an inch wider, and significantly longer. In both pics his knees are together; in one the leg pads are touching and in the other there is a significant gap. His chest padding is significantly larger; in the first pic he is wider in the torso than at the pants, in the second he is thinner in the torso. His trapper is a good two inches longer diagonally from the wrist to the end of the netting. His shoulder pads are notably beefier...in both pics Roy's right shoulder is raised; in the Avs pic his position skews that even moreso. But in the Avs pic, Roy's LEFT shoulder rises higher than his right shoulder in the Habs pic, despite the fact the kind of movement that would be used to put oneself in that position would LOWER the left shoulder. No, it's not like the kind of equipment difference you see between Giguere and Sawchuk. But it's enough to change the outcome of several shots over the course of a season. Interesting stat: Roy led the league in save percentage four times(.900 in 88, .908 in 89, .912 in 90, and .914 in 92), three of which resulted in Vezina trophies, and the fourth, 1988, should have. Yet in Roy's four best statistical seasons (94, 97, 2002, and 2003) he finished 3/3/2/4 in Vezina voting and 3/3/1/6 in All-Star voting, respectively. Could there be a reason that Roy was the clear-cut best goaltender in his 'worse' seasons and only competing for the honor in his 'best' years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) Pactrick Roy hasn't played since the nhl shortened pad sizes. Heres a quote of some pics i found comparing today's pads with pads from two decades ago Since the nhl started looking at pad sizes, I think they're quite small, aside from the chest protector. Goalies from the 80s/early90s Ron Hextall http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/Legend...9/000305246.jpg Grant Fuhr http://www.sharkspage.com/jpgs2/Fuhr_Oilers_57.jpg Mike Vernon http://cdn.nhl.com/photos/v/vernon1990_flames_tall.jpg vs Today Henrik Lundqvist http://www.freewebs.com/sahl/05LundqvistHenrik06.jpg Dominic Hasek http://www-personal.umich.edu/~swarheit/Dom1.jpg and worst of all Giguere, who I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on when looking at the chest protector. http://sharkspage.com/jpgs3/giguere2.jpg The only thing that looks bigger today is the chest protector, and there may be an argument for the pants, but none of the pics have good angles. And even if we do shrink the pads down even further, teams are only going to adapt and put more players in front of the net to prevent shots from getting through. Look at the Blues last night. The last minute of play and they have all five of their players between the net and the hashmarks blocking shots. I really think the problem lies in defensives strategies moreso than goalie pads and net sizes. Edited November 14, 2007 by Echolalia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 Pactrick Roy hasn't played since the nhl shortened pad sizes. Heres a quote of some pics i found comparing today's pads with pads from two decades ago Hextall is a great example, because he was 6'3" and 200 lbs. And yet the pads on him are still smaller than they are on goalies playing today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 Call me crazy (yes, yes... I know some of you already do!), but I don't think any goalie would get away with illegal equipment in these days of parity and penalties in the NHL. Just some guys are bigger than others, and therefore the length of pads would differ at least somewhat. But I bet the width of them is checked and re-checked by officials, or I would imagine that would be the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 Call me crazy (yes, yes... I know some of you already do!), but I don't think any goalie would get away with illegal equipment in these days of parity and penalties in the NHL. Just some guys are bigger than others, and therefore the length of pads would differ at least somewhat. This is exactly why I tried to find two similar pictures of the same goaltender from two different periods. Trying to compare pads on two different goaltenders in different positions is pointless; you can't get a good feel for size because the player is a different size and so the scale is off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2007 Pactrick Roy hasn't played since the nhl shortened pad sizes. Heres a quote of some pics i found comparing today's pads with pads from two decades ago The only thing that looks bigger today is the chest protector, and there may be an argument for the pants, but none of the pics have good angles. And even if we do shrink the pads down even further, teams are only going to adapt and put more players in front of the net to prevent shots from getting through. Look at the Blues last night. The last minute of play and they have all five of their players between the net and the hashmarks blocking shots. I really think the problem lies in defensives strategies moreso than goalie pads and net sizes. It doesn't help that the shoulder pads and shin guards that skaters wear are like flack jackets. I would venture to say that skaters today have better gear to stop shots than goalies did in the 80's. The only way you stop collapsing defenses is to create a "key" similar to the NBA and have illegal defenses called. And I'd sooner see the nets get bigger or 4-on-4 play instituted before that's done. P.S. The funny thing about Pat Roy is that the day after he retired he said the equipment is way too big and everything can be made smaller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 15, 2007 The only way you stop collapsing defenses is to create a "key" similar to the NBA and have illegal defenses called. And I'd sooner see the nets get bigger or 4-on-4 play instituted before that's done. P.S. The funny thing about Pat Roy is that the day after he retired he said the equipment is way too big and everything can be made smaller. I would stop watching if there was an illegal defense rule, and I definitely agree that the pads that Patrick Roy used (and those of the era) were way too big. If only it were legal to interfere with defensman if it means clearing the path for a shot. That would create some kinda hell though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
