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He was 33 years old at the end of last season.

I know.

He's old and he needed the rest.

Again, how does this benefit the Ducks?

You're being obstinate.

Saved money (possibly). Reserved player. Completely healthy player. Etc.

The message this sends, or at least implies, is that a player can basically do anything he wants in the way of playing or not playing as long as he doesn't join another team. Seeing as how our second line isn't quite cutting it right now, I suggest "suspending" all of them and bringing in three new guys with the money we would have given the suspended guys. Then, should one of the new guys falter, we'll just axe him and bring back an old guy. Better yet, we can just suspend the new guy and start bringing in a third wave of new guys!

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My big problem with this....

Considering how pissy and moany Burke got with Lowe after the offer sheets that he signed -- an entirely legal maneuvre that some consider to be a loophole -- if this had been any other team in the league doing this, especially a legitimate contender, he'd get all pissed off again and start acting like the gigantic dick that he is. He might even run to his little ***** Bettman and try and find a way to make it illegal, but thats just a theory.

These comments, however, may be coloured by the fact that I hate Burke more than a kick in the balls.

And thus why Burke is a whiny hypocrite. Big part of why this whole situation pisses me off.

The message this sends, or at least implies, is that a player can basically do anything he wants in the way of playing or not playing as long as he doesn't join another team. Seeing as how our second line isn't quite cutting it right now, I suggest "suspending" all of them and bringing in three new guys with the money we would have given the suspended guys. Then, should one of the new guys falter, we'll just axe him and bring back an old guy. Better yet, we can just suspend the new guy and start bringing in a third wave of new guys!

Hey, might as well, since it's apparently completely within the rules.

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Agreed. When he was explaining about how he contacted Scott to voice his displeasure about not knowing his plans and having to find out about it through the Canadian media, he did not sound pleased. Now this is either the truth or another elaborate lie by Burke to cover up the whole thing. Sounds pretty far fetched IMO.

Burke seemed sincere to me with everything he said transpired and for the most part, it seemed that Scott really did leave the Ducks completely in the dark. Which of course would eliminate any conspiracy plot betwixt them.

If anything, I could understand how people don't like what Niedermayer did, sort of leaving his team in the lurch. But Burke explicitly said Scott had earned the right in their minds to take as much time as he wished. In the meantime he did what was necessary to protect the team by signing FA replacements and suspending Scott.

That's the point I was trying to get at. There were really two possibilities here.

1) Niedermayer thought about retiring, Burke went and got Schneider. then sometime over the summer they had conversations about him coming back, and Burke "suspended" Scott to save himself some cash while Scott took a nice long break. I'm not saying Burke was happy about this, but Im' sure it lessened the sting when he figured out he could free up some space, and a GM will do what he has to in order to get a player the caliber of Niedermayer back in the lineup. Then surprise surprise, Scott comes back right on schedule.

If that's the case, it's nice that Niedermayer gave his family and team some heads up of his plan, but I think it's a manipulation of the CBA.

2) Niedermayer truly didn't know whether he was coming back of not until very recently. This was not planned out. Burke really had no idea if he was coming back.

This makes Niedermayer an even bigger tool. Yes, retirement has to be a very difficult decision when hockey has been all you've done since you were a kid. Still, as a professional athlete, a teammate, and a captain, and just a stand up guy, he should've made his decision at the start of the season.

I'm sure his indecision has been a distraction for the team. I know it must've made planning harder for Burke. And it's made even worse because the Ducks are struggling.

There's no sour grapes here. The Ducks will be a better team with Scott. In my opinion though, Scotty should've handled this much differently than he did. If Burke knew about this all along, we'll never be sure. But right from when he suspended Niedermayer, it was pretty obvious something is rotten in Denmark.

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My big problem with this....

Considering how pissy and moany Burke got with Lowe after the offer sheets that he signed -- an entirely legal maneuvre that some consider to be a loophole -- if this had been any other team in the league doing this, especially a legitimate contender, he'd get all pissed off again and start acting like the gigantic dick that he is. He might even run to his little ***** Bettman and try and find a way to make it illegal, but thats just a theory.

These comments, however, may be coloured by the fact that I hate Burke more than a kick in the balls.

First off, I love how you an Edicius can claim Burke would have said anything had another team pulled this move. Oh, i'm sorry, last time I checked not a single GM, owner or player in the league has said one goddamned thing about this being a foul move. If the league's GM's aren't concerned about this why are some Red Wings fans crying in their beers over it? Oh, I know, because we're whiny, little kids who can't stand that our competition just got better and we personally don't like Burke or anybody who beats us so they're all just lying, cheating bastards.

Burke isn't a hypocrite because he hasn't had to defend this move because nobody worth anything has accused him of wrongdoing. How is he a hypocrite? Becuase HYPOTHETICALLY you think he would defend this if somebody bitched about it? I love how he's guilty of something that hasn't transpired. You're making him a hypocrite because of what you feel is a sneaky move by him. But whereas other GM's have had issue with the RFA offer sheet this move seems to not bother any of them so what's their to be hypocritical about?

By the way, Burke isn't the only GM who has gone on record about how the RFA offer sheet sucks. That doesn' t make them hypocrites, it makes them GM's who don't like a particular feature of the CBA. It has zero relevance to what we're talking about.

PS: Harold, appeciate you explaining your position. I can understand you thinking Niedermayer is a tool for what he did. I just thought the entire time that the Ducks weren't doing something shady.

By the way, you seem to focus much of your theory about them colluding on Burke officially suspending Niedermayer. I gather from what you wrote you are implying this was done intentionally to free up money.

check out this article. If you believe in a conspiracy, you could be right. If you don't, it appears that it's standard operating procedure to suspend a player under contract who does not report to camp. The fact that you don't have to pay him or count his salary seems like an ancillary bonus rather than a reason to suspend intentionally for some gain.

Scott Niedermayer suspension a formality

Last Updated: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 | 5:30 PM ET

CBC Sports

Defenceman Scott Niedermayer was suspended Tuesday by the Anaheim Ducks, a mere formality confirming that he didn't report to training camp.

"Obviously, he knew it was coming," Ducks general manager Brian Burke said. "It wasn't a fun phone call, but he expected it  he is a professional."

Scott Niedermayer won his fourth Stanley Cup this past spring. Scott Niedermayer won his fourth Stanley Cup this past spring.

(Mark J. Terrill/Associated Press)

Niedermayer, 34, is still mulling over whether to play or retire, a decision he has grappled with since Anaheim won its first Stanley Cup on June 6.

"That is his decision and I cannot predict anything," said Ducks forward Rob Niedermayer, his younger brother. "He's going to make that decision when he feels comfortable and everyone in this dressing room is comfortable with that.

"I'm sure I will be one of the first ones to know. But his family is something that's come first for him."

Suspending Niedermayer until he decides simply means Anaheim won't have to count his $6.75-million US salary against the cap, which is $50.3 million US this season.

The Ducks reportedly sit around $49 million US.

"I want our fans to understand that we didn't have a choice but to suspend Scotty," Burke said. "That might seem like a harsh step and it's not  that's what we have to do."

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:rotflmao:

Where is that from? I know I've heard it before...

Oh come on now!!!

It's Lionel Hutz, attorney-at-law, representing one Homer J. Simpson!

It's a thorny legal issue, all right.

I'll need to refer to the case of Finders v. Keepers.

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Whether he had a heads up from Scotty about coming back or not, Burke pretty much had to say something like that in the press. What's he going to say "well, it's a mere formality while Scotty takes a nice break so we don't have to pay him."

And I don't think Burke concocted this from the start to gain some advantage. If anything, when he got Schneider and was weighing his options, this probably seemed like best possible one if Scott wasn't coming back right away. Of course he'd rather have Niedermayer back, but there was the upside of getting out of paying him and saving some space under the cap.

And I'm sure it's no coincidence that he came our recently about teams being able to have dead salary in order to trade players. It'd probably be easier to move a player like Schneider in order to make contractual room for Scott's return if they could eat some of his paycheck in a trade.

More than anything, I'm just surprised Niedermayer would put his team in this position. He was the captain and the Conn Smythe winner. It was hard enough knowing what was going on while Stevie was deciding. Imagine if that happened after the 2002 season, and he didn't make up his mind until December.

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First off, I love how you an Edicius can claim Burke would have said anything had another team pulled this move. Oh, i'm sorry, last time I checked not a single GM, owner or player in the league has said one goddamned thing about this being a foul move. If the league's GM's aren't concerned about this why are some Red Wings fans crying in their beers over it? Oh, I know, because we're whiny, little kids who can't stand that our competition just got better and we personally don't like Burke or anybody who beats us so they're all just lying, cheating bastards.

Burke isn't a hypocrite because he hasn't had to defend this move because nobody worth anything has accused him of wrongdoing. How is he a hypocrite? Becuase HYPOTHETICALLY you think he would defend this if somebody bitched about it? I love how he's guilty of something that hasn't transpired. You're making him a hypocrite because of what you feel is a sneaky move by him. But whereas other GM's have had issue with the RFA offer sheet this move seems to not bother any of them so what's their to be hypocritical about?

By the way, Burke isn't the only GM who has gone on record about how the RFA offer sheet sucks. That doesn' t make them hypocrites, it makes them GM's who don't like a particular feature of the CBA. It has zero relevance to what we're talking about.

PS: Harold, appeciate you explaining your position. I can understand you thinking Niedermayer is a tool for what he did. I just thought the entire time that the Ducks weren't doing something shady.

By the way, you seem to focus much of your theory about them colluding on Burke officially suspending Niedermayer. I gather from what you wrote you are implying this was done intentionally to free up money.

check out this article. If you believe in a conspiracy, you could be right. If you don't, it appears that it's standard operating procedure to suspend a player under contract who does not report to camp. The fact that you don't have to pay him or count his salary seems like an ancillary bonus rather than a reason to suspend intentionally for some gain.

Scott Niedermayer suspension a formality

Last Updated: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 | 5:30 PM ET

CBC Sports

Defenceman Scott Niedermayer was suspended Tuesday by the Anaheim Ducks, a mere formality confirming that he didn't report to training camp.

"Obviously, he knew it was coming," Ducks general manager Brian Burke said. "It wasn't a fun phone call, but he expected it  he is a professional."

Scott Niedermayer won his fourth Stanley Cup this past spring. Scott Niedermayer won his fourth Stanley Cup this past spring.

(Mark J. Terrill/Associated Press)

Niedermayer, 34, is still mulling over whether to play or retire, a decision he has grappled with since Anaheim won its first Stanley Cup on June 6.

"That is his decision and I cannot predict anything," said Ducks forward Rob Niedermayer, his younger brother. "He's going to make that decision when he feels comfortable and everyone in this dressing room is comfortable with that.

"I'm sure I will be one of the first ones to know. But his family is something that's come first for him."

Suspending Niedermayer until he decides simply means Anaheim won't have to count his $6.75-million US salary against the cap, which is $50.3 million US this season.

The Ducks reportedly sit around $49 million US.

"I want our fans to understand that we didn't have a choice but to suspend Scotty," Burke said. "That might seem like a harsh step and it's not  that's what we have to do."

ease up there champ...i mentioned both a) that it was just a theory and b) that I was probably biased because I didn't like Burke. But sorry, next time I want to vent a bit I'll remember that (appartently) you strictly forbid it.

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I know.

He's old and he needed the rest.

You're being obstinate.

Saved money (possibly). Reserved player. Completely healthy player. Etc.

The message this sends, or at least implies, is that a player can basically do anything he wants in the way of playing or not playing as long as he doesn't join another team. Seeing as how our second line isn't quite cutting it right now, I suggest "suspending" all of them and bringing in three new guys with the money we would have given the suspended guys. Then, should one of the new guys falter, we'll just axe him and bring back an old guy. Better yet, we can just suspend the new guy and start bringing in a third wave of new guys!

How am I being obstinate? You have yet to answer my question. How does this benefit the Ducks?

They didn't save much money, maybe a few hundred thousand dollars (about $440), that isn't enough to make all this song and dance worth it. If Burke and Scotty had this plan, no way Burke would have signed Matty to the deal he did.

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How am I being obstinate? You have yet to answer my question. How does this benefit the Ducks?

They didn't save much money, maybe a few hundred thousand dollars (about $440), that isn't enough to make all this song and dance worth it. If Burke and Scotty had this plan, no way Burke would have signed Matty to the deal he did.

Niedermayer lost approximately 2.3m in salary. Not including the bonus money for Jonas Hiller, The Ducks still have just shy of 2m available under the cap counting the remainder of Nieds' salary.

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Niedermayer lost approximately 2.3m in salary. Not including the bonus money for Jonas Hiller, The Ducks still have just shy of 2m available under the cap counting the remainder of Nieds' salary.

That's not what I am talking about. Assuming this was a conspiracy between Burke and Scotty to save money and rest Scotty, as perposterous as that is, Matty was brought in to be Scotty's replacement until he returned.

Take Matty's salary, dividing it into 29 games. Take Scotty's salary, divide it into 29 games. Subtract. It's about $440,000. This has noting to do with cap space.

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ease up there champ...i mentioned both a) that it was just a theory and b) that I was probably biased because I didn't like Burke. But sorry, next time I want to vent a bit I'll remember that (appartently) you strictly forbid it.

Champ? Yeah, you're right kid. I am the champ. Usually it takes awhile for some of the fresh meat to realize that, so consider yourself ahead of the curve.

By the way, me ripping you a new arse has got nothing to do with forbidding you to post your theories of corruption, flaky and unsubstantiated as they are. Besides, if people like you didn't exist, I wouldn't have nearly as much fun on here.

Cheers!

That's not what I am talking about. Assuming this was a conspiracy between Burke and Scotty to save money and rest Scotty, as perposterous as that is, Matty was brought in to be Scotty's replacement until he returned.

Take Matty's salary, dividing it into 29 games. Take Scotty's salary, divide it into 29 games. Subtract. It's about $440,000. This has noting to do with cap space.

BINGO!

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That's not what I am talking about. Assuming this was a conspiracy between Burke and Scotty to save money and rest Scotty, as perposterous as that is, Matty was brought in to be Scotty's replacement until he returned.

Take Matty's salary, dividing it into 29 games. Take Scotty's salary, divide it into 29 games. Subtract. It's about $440,000. This has noting to do with cap space.

Plus, suspended or not the only reason the ducks are near the cap is because of Neids, if he never comes back they have 6.2 to play with. If he comes back they need to clear 462,000 dollars. They are trading (or cutting) a black ace away from being under the cap. Next year's cap is where the problem lies, they have (I forget the term) to be under next years expected (guessed) cap, which with Neids because it is his full salary they will be about 462,000 over cap.

Since he was suspended he will lose roughly half of his salary by the time he gets back which is going to be about 3.85 mil, that leaves them plenty of space this year to sign a mid grade forward. But it would have to be a rental situation.

Neids money was on the books from the start of the year, Selanne isn't/wasn't so signing him is where it will/would get really tricky for them.

I have a very hard time believing that this was a conspiracy, I hate Burke as much as the next guy, but this is just a guy deciding if he still has the love for the game, and because pro sports have become a year round training and playing cycle the only way to test that love is to walk away from the game for a while.

I don't blame Neids, he had to see if he still had the desire and the heart to do it anymore.

Apparently he misses it enough to give up coaching his son's hockey team, which to me would be a pretty big sacrifice. Think about it, he is passing up teaching his son the game he loves and being a part of his son developing into a hockey player.

Either way they will not win the cup unless they bring in a scoring threat like Selanne, Hossa, (which they really can't afford) or some one else off of the market. They need to take defensive pressure off of the guys like MacDonald, Getzlaf, and Perry, plus someone who can create their own opportunities and set up others.

Burke has put himself in a sticky situation, especially when you consider the team wanted a self imposed cap.

He will have to be careful this year and next but after that they should be all set, seeing as after the 08-09 season he will have 14 UFA including:

Bert

MacDonald

Marchant

Pahlsson

Moen

May

Parros

Schnieder

Beauchemin

O'Donnell

Hnidy

Huskins

Neids

and 2 RFA

Wirtanen

Segal

Note: They have one defense man sign beyond 08-09, and no cap space for that year. This team (barring Neids decision) is pretty well in place for this year and next, unless the get rid of Schneids or Neids retires!

Edit:big difference between UFA and RFA

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Plus, suspended or not the only reason the ducks are near the cap is because of Neids, if he never comes back they have 6.2 to play with. If he comes back they need to clear 462,000 dollars. They are trading (or cutting) a black ace away from being under the cap. Next year's cap is where the problem lies, they have (I forget the term) to be under next years expected (guessed) cap, which with Neids because it is his full salary they will be about 462,000 over cap.

At this point, it looks like the "tagging" room might not even be an issue.

http://tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=224549

Ducks only need to free up $880K and that might not even necessarily be the case, considering the cap is supposed to go up again next season.

Thus, Burke DID save a substantial enough amount of money to get himself under the cap by Niedermayer sitting out for a third of the season. If he hadn't been suspended and the Ducks were on the hook for his whole salary, THEN they'd have a cap problem.

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Thus, Burke DID save a substantial enough amount of money to get himself under the cap by Niedermayer sitting out for a third of the season. If he hadn't been suspended and the Ducks were on the hook for his whole salary, THEN they'd have a cap problem.

Wonder of wonders!

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Wonder of wonders!

I don't understand the point of this. Should Burke have NOT suspended him? On what planet does that make him a good GM?

It seems people want to label this a conspiracy and then point out that Burke did the one thing, the most prudent thing a responsible GM should have done.

I guess Burke should've just ate the salary so Wings fans wouldn't complain.

I'm guessing Ken Holland doesn't take note of what's going on the Anaheim forums and then make his decisions.

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A band aid on a bullet wound. Way to go out. Win a Cup then return to a sinking ship.

Big surprise. Too bad he's lost just about everyone's respect by playing this game. I'm sure his son's gonna love it too (he's been coaching his son's hockey team). Friggin' piece of garbage.

I agree on both counts here and I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Never been a fan of Niedermeyer, and this little hiatus was pretty selfish and ridiculus. One, the guy is 34 friggin' years old, what a ***** and takes 1/3 of a season to decide if he'll play again, big friggin' whoop. Now he is returning to a team with a full blown case of the Stanley Cup hang over and which no matter what they do or how he plays, now they have to make room for him this year and next year in the cap and move newly acquired talent, and here's the kicker, he might not even play next year! Its hilarious to me that it is such a big deal, I'd tell him to get f***ed and enjoy the rest of my losing season. And Melroses take, literally a 20 second clip on ESPN in which he utters the words "the Ducks get back the best defenseman in the NHL"....

hold on one second..... :vomit:

IMO players like this ruin the NHL and turn their career desicions into selfish fanfare that distracts from the game to feed their high-paid egos, and the fact that players the take cuts or hometown discounts and are class acts don't get near the attention of one player who decided to wait half a season to help his team, and now forces them to screw around with established salaries.....

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I agree on both counts here and I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Never been a fan of Niedermeyer, and this little hiatus was pretty selfish and ridiculus. One, the guy is 34 friggin' years old, what a ***** and takes 1/3 of a season to decide if he'll play again, big friggin' whoop. Now he is returning to a team with a full blown case of the Stanley Cup hang over and which no matter what they do or how he plays, now they have to make room for him this year and next year in the cap and move newly acquired talent, and here's the kicker, he might not even play next year! Its hilarious to me that it is such a big deal, I'd tell him to get f***ed and enjoy the rest of my losing season. And Melroses take, literally a 20 second clip on ESPN in which he utters the words "the Ducks get back the best defenseman in the NHL"....

hold on one second..... :vomit:

IMO players like this ruin the NHL and turn their career desicions into selfish fanfare that distracts from the game to feed their high-paid egos, and the fact that players the take cuts or hometown discounts and are class acts don't get near the attention of one player who decided to wait half a season to help his team, and now forces them to screw around with established salaries.....

Oh jesus, you're so up your own ass you guys. You can't name one player, coach, GM, owner or hockey related professoinal who has said anything remotely close to them not liking what Niedermayer did or what the Ducks did or losing respect or blah, blah, blah....

Nope, not one single quote, remark, snippet, nothing, nada, nowhere. No other team, no other GM, nobody has said what the Ducks are doing is shady or not right or undermining the CBA or anything like it.

The only people bitching at all are a handful of whiny Red Wings fans. Grow up you little girls. Grow some hair on your testes and quit being afraid of the Ducks. You don't have to be psychiatrist to figure out what's going on with you little Dorothys. Quit yur bitchin already. If no other NHL teams care about this or think its wrong, at least enough to say so, then why do you give a flying turd and why do you think its so shady?

I swear, Wings fans are the most pompous assbags on the planet. "we're Hocketown" and you can't steal our nickname! Niedermayer has no respect from anyone, Burke should be thrown in jail or better yet, shot! This was a conspiracy between Niedermayer and Burke! Blah, blah.....

whiny lil' *******!

GO RED WINGS!

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Has anyone seen the poll at tsn.ca asking since Nied. is returning to the Ducks are they the favorite to win the Western Conference.

I lol'd for quite some time

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Oh jesus, you're so up your own ass you guys. You can't name one player, coach, GM, owner or hockey related professoinal who has said anything remotely close to them not liking what Niedermayer did or what the Ducks did or losing respect or blah, blah, blah....

Nope, not one single quote, remark, snippet, nothing, nada, nowhere. No other team, no other GM, nobody has said what the Ducks are doing is shady or not right or undermining the CBA or anything like it.

The only people bitching at all are a handful of whiny Red Wings fans. Grow up you little girls. Grow some hair on your testes and quit being afraid of the Ducks. You don't have to be psychiatrist to figure out what's going on with you little Dorothys. Quit yur bitchin already. If no other NHL teams care about this or think its wrong, at least enough to say so, then why do you give a flying turd and why do you think its so shady?

I swear, Wings fans are the most pompous assbags on the planet. "we're Hocketown" and you can't steal our nickname! Niedermayer has no respect from anyone, Burke should be thrown in jail or better yet, shot! This was a conspiracy between Niedermayer and Burke! Blah, blah.....

whiny lil' *******!

GO RED WINGS!

haha not exactly the response I was expecting, looks like someone might need some downers to help deal with their "mommy" issues.... I never said anything about it being a conspiracy or unfair, I said it was s***ty of Niedermeyer to do to his team and remarking at how ridiculus it is that analyst thing this is going to make a struggling Ducks team into world beaters....

Has anyone seen the poll at tsn.ca asking since Nied. is returning to the Ducks are they the favorite to win the Western Conference.

I lol'd for quite some time

My point exactly..... one player returning with such fanfare is hilarious and sickening, the kind of stuff you see around Ricky Williams in the NFL... hockey doesn't need it, but that was tremendously masculine of you

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Oh jesus, you're so up your own ass you guys. You can't name one player, coach, GM, owner or hockey related professoinal who has said anything remotely close to them not liking what Niedermayer did or what the Ducks did or losing respect or blah, blah, blah....

Nope, not one single quote, remark, snippet, nothing, nada, nowhere. No other team, no other GM, nobody has said what the Ducks are doing is shady or not right or undermining the CBA or anything like it.

The only people bitching at all are a handful of whiny Red Wings fans. Grow up you little girls. Grow some hair on your testes and quit being afraid of the Ducks. You don't have to be psychiatrist to figure out what's going on with you little Dorothys. Quit yur bitchin already. If no other NHL teams care about this or think its wrong, at least enough to say so, then why do you give a flying turd and why do you think its so shady?

I swear, Wings fans are the most pompous assbags on the planet. "we're Hocketown" and you can't steal our nickname! Niedermayer has no respect from anyone, Burke should be thrown in jail or better yet, shot! This was a conspiracy between Niedermayer and Burke! Blah, blah.....

whiny lil' *******!

GO RED WINGS!

Alright man. I realize that your a bonafide "champ" around here, and that the supremacy that you excercise over this anonymous cyber-world is reminiscient of that of Alexander the Great or Ghengis Khan, but seriously! First of all, it is not a handful of Red Wings fans, its many fans in general. I have friends and I know people who are fans of about every team in the league -- some of them don't really like this whole situation, some of them don't mind, although most of them don't act like huge dicks about it. Last time I checked, leauge owners, GMs, and coaches aren't the only people who are allowed to have opinions on s***, in fact, I'm pretty sure that 99% of people who follow the NHL aren't GMs or Owners or even coaches. I know I'm not, are you?

I realize some of the things being said are being spoken partly out of bitterness and emotion, but the fact of the matter is that 1000s of players in NHL history have had to make the decision to retire at some point, and they all seemed to pull that off within the allotted time, so it is not all that ridiculous to lose some respect for a guy that couldn't seem to do what 1000s of people in his profession have done before him(all the while seeming to hurt his team in the process).

Although I suppose this may be falling on deaf ears. After all, being the "champ", I'm sure that you are entirely able to keep your emotions from having any effect on your infallible posts, whick make it impossible for you to understand how other, weaker, individuals are able to do so. Naturally, you then infer that those individuals are -- not only asses -- but, in fact, entire bags of asses; graphic imagery to say the least. All hail the Champ.

LETS GO WINGS!

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Alright man. I realize that your a bonafide "champ" around here, and that the supremacy that you excercise over this anonymous cyber-world is reminiscient of that of Alexander the Great or Ghengis Khan, but seriously! First of all, it is not a handful of Red Wings fans, its many fans in general. I have friends and I know people who are fans of about every team in the league -- some of them don't really like this whole situation, some of them don't mind, although most of them don't act like huge dicks about it. Last time I checked, leauge owners, GMs, and coaches aren't the only people who are allowed to have opinions on s***, in fact, I'm pretty sure that 99% of people who follow the NHL aren't GMs or Owners or even coaches. I know I'm not, are you?

I realize some of the things being said are being spoken partly out of bitterness and emotion, but the fact of the matter is that 1000s of players in NHL history have had to make the decision to retire at some point, and they all seemed to pull that off within the allotted time, so it is not all that ridiculous to lose some respect for a guy that couldn't seem to do what 1000s of people in his profession have done before him(all the while seeming to hurt his team in the process).

Although I suppose this may be falling on deaf ears. After all, being the "champ", I'm sure that you are entirely able to keep your emotions from having any effect on your infallible posts, which make it impossible for you to understand how other, weaker, individuals are able to do so. Naturally, you then infer that those individuals are -- not only asses -- but, in fact, entire bags of asses; graphic imagery to say the least. All hail the Champ.

LETS GO WINGS!

That's right, all hail the CHAMP! That would be me. :P

The point isn't about having an opinion. The point is if the league's owners and GM's don't have a negative opinion of it nor do they seem to give a s***.....then why the hell do we give a s*** to the point where people are drumming up conspiracy theories and questioning the moral character of persons we don't know a thing about? And yeah, most of the people following the NHL aren't GM's or owners or coaches. What's your friggin point? That the .0001% of people who this affects (namely the opposition of the Ducks) don't care about this but a dollop of morons here and there around the country (that would be your friends.....I do not count Harold in this group, Harold is a God among you mere mortals) who know nothing but have assholes and opinions think this is a travesty of justice. You're just proving my point that the people who know something about this don't care and the people who don't have ridiculous opinions about it because they just like to hate and they're skeered. So if they don't care, you know, the people in the friggin NHL....if they don't think its shady or bad for the game or an underhanded move by the Ducks, why the hell are some Wings fans (oh, and your buddies around the league) bitching about it? Oh wait, I know you said it yourself...................."I realize some of the things being said are being spoken partly out of bitterness and emotion". Yeah, you said it. Of course that's a nice way of glossing over what really is a handful of people whiny like a bunch of little girls.

Furthermore, if Brian Burke and Mr. Samueli weren't offended by Scott's timetable and furthermore stated, PUBLICLY, that they felt Scott had earned the right to take as much time as possible, why the hell are you losing respect for him? His coach, his GM, his team, his owners, they didn't lose respect for him despite their record. No, this whole "losing respect" for Scott is nothing more than mere jealousy and bitterness that the guy is coming back and yup, like it or not he makes the Ducks a bazillion times better. Nothing like seeing Wings fans delude themselves when a team adds a perennial Norris calibre dman to their team...."ha,ha, so what, they added Niedermayer, Ducks suck!". Could it be more obvious how threatened you are by this. As if the ranting and raving about respect wasn't enough.

Please, the Ducks will be a completely different team when he steps on the ice. The record will show that. But i'm not scared like some of you little lassies. Bring on the Ducks!

And Jesus Pete man, don't get so wired about all this. Do you think this really riles me up? I could give 2 poops about this. I just find it amusing to point out when people are being whiny little *******. So I call them whiny little *******. It has nothing to do with "mommy" issues or personal feelings. Its just entertaining. I like pointing out to you that you're being ridiculous and then watch you try to figure out why i'm doing it, like its some deep seeded plot by me to dominate the universe. It's not. I just get a kick out of it. And yeah, I like to type and hear myself talk too. :P Everyone is entitled to an opinion, yes. And for whatever reason, when I see people whining like little brats, I call them out on it. Some would say that makes me a prick. Oh well, guess i'm a prick. Boo hoo.

There's one thing you should always keep in mind when the Champ is pounding you (err..you know what i mean), and that's that i'm having a blast. I don't take it too seriously and I just have fun with it. Keep that in mind and maybe you won't be so offended the next time I call you a whiny little girl......you whiny little girl.

Go cry some more about Niedermayer coming back and try to pretend it has anything to do with respecting him or blah, blah, blah.....quit being a scared little sissy. Grow a pair already!

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That's right, all hail the CHAMP! That would be me. :P

The point isn't about having an opinion. The point is if the league's owners and GM's don't have a negative opinion of it nor do they seem to give a s***.....then why the hell do we give a s*** to the point where people are drumming up conspiracy theories and questioning the moral character of persons we don't know a thing about? And yeah, most of the people following the NHL aren't GM's or owners or coaches. What's your friggin point? That the .0001% of people who this affects (namely the opposition of the Ducks) don't care about this but a dollop of morons here and there around the country (that would be your friends.....I do not count Harold in this group, Harold is a God among you mere mortals) who know nothing but have assholes and opinions think this is a travesty of justice. You're just proving my point that the people who know something about this don't care and the people who don't have ridiculous opinions about it because they just like to hate and they're skeered. So if they don't care, you know, the people in the friggin NHL....if they don't think its shady or bad for the game or an underhanded move by the Ducks, why the hell are some Wings fans (oh, and your buddies around the league) bitching about it? Oh wait, I know you said it yourself...................."I realize some of the things being said are being spoken partly out of bitterness and emotion". Yeah, you said it. Of course that's a nice way of glossing over what really is a handful of people whiny like a bunch of little girls.

Furthermore, if Brian Burke and Mr. Samueli weren't offended by Scott's timetable and furthermore stated, PUBLICLY, that they felt Scott had earned the right to take as much time as possible, why the hell are you losing respect for him? His coach, his GM, his team, his owners, they didn't lose respect for him despite their record. No, this whole "losing respect" for Scott is nothing more than mere jealousy and bitterness that the guy is coming back and yup, like it or not he makes the Ducks a bazillion times better. Nothing like seeing Wings fans delude themselves when a team adds a perennial Norris calibre dman to their team...."ha,ha, so what, they added Niedermayer, Ducks suck!". Could it be more obvious how threatened you are by this. As if the ranting and raving about respect wasn't enough.

Please, the Ducks will be a completely different team when he steps on the ice. The record will show that. But i'm not scared like some of you little lassies. Bring on the Ducks!

And Jesus Pete man, don't get so wired about all this. Do you think this really riles me up? I could give 2 poops about this. I just find it amusing to point out when people are being whiny little *******. So I call them whiny little *******. It has nothing to do with "mommy" issues or personal feelings. Its just entertaining. I like pointing out to you that you're being ridiculous and then watch you try to figure out why i'm doing it, like its some deep seeded plot by me to dominate the universe. It's not. I just get a kick out of it. And yeah, I like to type and hear myself talk too. :P Everyone is entitled to an opinion, yes. And for whatever reason, when I see people whining like little brats, I call them out on it. Some would say that makes me a prick. Oh well, guess i'm a prick. Boo hoo.

There's one thing you should always keep in mind when the Champ is pounding you (err..you know what i mean), and that's that i'm having a blast. I don't take it too seriously and I just have fun with it. Keep that in mind and maybe you won't be so offended the next time I call you a whiny little girl......you whiny little girl.

Go cry some more about Niedermayer coming back and try to pretend it has anything to do with respecting him or blah, blah, blah.....quit being a scared little sissy. Grow a pair already!

hahaha you are such a hardass its hilarious! get a hobby outside of "calling people out" on hockey boards haha

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haha not exactly the response I was expecting, looks like someone might need some downers to help deal with their "mommy" issues.... I never said anything about it being a conspiracy or unfair, I said it was s***ty of Niedermeyer to do to his team and remarking at how ridiculus it is that analyst thing this is going to make a struggling Ducks team into world beaters....

My point exactly..... one player returning with such fanfare is hilarious and sickening, the kind of stuff you see around Ricky Williams in the NFL... hockey doesn't need it, but that was tremendously masculine of you

Yeah, the poll just proves that we fans are pretty much freaking idiots.

So when it comes to Niedermayer and Burke they are bad people for undermining the spirit of the CBA or for putting their team in a bind and what kind of person takes this long to figure out what they want to do...blah, blah....

Yeah, when it comes to this stuff we're dead nuts. We know WTF we're talking about! FO SHO!

But when it comes to a poll, voted on by these same fans, all of a sudden its ludicrous and they don't know WTF they're talking about.

Just proves that your average bear (that would be you) doesn't formulate his/her opinion based on any reasonable facts or logic. Rather, Its mostly emotion-based idiocy that helps you formulate an opinion that doesn't frighten you, one that fits comfortably like a warm blanket and won't make the hair on your arm stand up.

Don't hate Niedermayer or Burke. Don't try to make an argument and create drama where there isn't any. The Ducks are fine with all this. So you go be fine with it too. Don't let the fact that you're scared to death of the Ducks now make you create drama. It's not necessary. Believe me, the Wings will be fine. Don't be afraid.

hahaha you are such a hardass its hilarious! get a hobby outside of "calling people out" on hockey boards haha

A hobby? Hmmm.....do you have any suggestions?

How's that scat fetish group you told me you joined last year? That worth looking into?

oh, come on people, its called a joke :D

PS. I noticed you didn't (i mean couldn't) address any of the points I made. Seriously, if this doesn't bother the Ducks why does it vex thee so?

PPS: F-this. I no longer find this thread amusing. It's like beating handicapped people at golf. Seriously, how long can one be expected to keep up this level of playful banter and no nonsense azz kicking before one becomes completely apathetic about the whole thing?

That's it, show is over. Gordie is going to put his pitchfork away and retire to his cave for the evening. Sleep well ladies and gents.

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There's really nothing that anyone can say to you, is there? Being an online dooshbag is pretty damn easy, I suppose. Oh well. Niedermayer or no Niedermayer, this is the WIngs year, I guess that's what it all boils down to. So ya, screw Niedermayer, but while your at it, screw Getzlaf, screw Perry, screw Burke (just because he is a doosh in general) screw Carlisle, and sure as hell screw Pronger. In general, just f*** the Ducks.

Lets Go WIngs!

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