rob blake

[imisssergei 0]

Let's not forget some intagebles that Blake brings to the table.

1. RIGHT HANDED BIG SHOT

2. Leadership

3. Experience

4. Physical play

First and foremost, the shot. There aren't very many right handed dmen with good shots in the league. The Wings have one in Raffy, Black would look pretty nice on the second PP unit with his shot.

Second, what hasn't this guy been through or done? Not that this team needs anymore leaders, but could it hurt?

Third, again, he been through it all. From playing on bad teams, to winning the Cup. He isn't first timer.

Fourth, there is no denying that the Wings don't have a true physical dman. If you say Kronwall, please, go play in traffic. The Wings could really use some muscle in the playoffs. The most physical guy the Wings had last year was Lilja. That's sad.

It's really a tough call to bring him in or not. His high salary does turn me off, but then again he is a UFA so the Wings could let him walk. All things aside, if he comes here, I'd be happy. If he doesn't I won't be sad.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

but they DON't have similar stats. How can you say that he'd be great if he was playing here? What is that based on? A Norris trophy from 11 years ago. If he isn't giving it his all regardless of the team that he's on, I don't want him. I want guys that will give 110% no matter what.

someone posted this earlier ........

Oh, and for the physical game.

Lilja: 75 hits

Blake: 43 hits

Lilja: 19 giveaways

Blake:20 giveaways

Lilja:10 takeaways

Blake: 9 takeaways

Lilja: 57 blocked shots

Blake:79 blocked shots (hey, he's beating Lilja in a stat)

they got basically the same takeaways and giveaways , one is on the worst team in the nhl and the other is on the best , so blake coming here i would say his numbers would be better then lilja's ........ blake has more blocked shots , and lilja has more hits then blake , but again i think that would improve here

And yes blake won his norris 10 yrs ago but so did chelios , now i know chelios is a freak of nature but that being said rob blake is a very talented defencemen , that talent just doesnt fade away and i can guarantee you if he was available numerous teams would try and acquire him..... and i can understand you saying ud want a player playing 110% all the time but lets face it when your dead last in the nhl and keep losing sometimes its hard to give it your all , if he comes here and plays with all the guys we got then i guarantee you it wont be hard for him to give it his all , he's still a way BIGGER improvement over lilja

[Guest wingswillwincup]

I'd take him. He's a UFA at seasons end anyways, so if he doesn't work out, he'll just leave.

The Wings need better defenseman. Anything to take ice time away from Lilja is fine with me. Lilja has cost us in 2 playoffs now, and I don't want to see how he'll do it in a 3rd. Aquire Blake, and have him take up Lilja's spot.

Besides: we need someone better for the 2nd PP unit. Lebda and Samuelsson suck pack there on the point. If you bring Blake in, you get somebody to play that role who knows what he's doing, and he has a good shot. I see no harm in bringing Blake here to the Wings, as long as they don't give up too much for him.

wow thats a great point man i didnt even think at all about rob blakes hard shot , he would be an awesome addition to the 2nd ppl unit along with kronwall who ( knock on wood ) is finally emerging into the guy we all knew he could be , and him replacing samuelsson would a HUGE improvement , i remember samuelsson coughing up the puck a few times and giving some short handed opportunites to teams , and lets face it his shot from the point doesnt scare anyone at all LOL

again great point man , makes me want rob blake even more now

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Let's not forget some intagebles that Blake brings to the table.

1. RIGHT HANDED BIG SHOT

2. Leadership

3. Experience

4. Physical play

First and foremost, the shot. There aren't very many right handed dmen with good shots in the league. The Wings have one in Raffy, Black would look pretty nice on the second PP unit with his shot.

Second, what hasn't this guy been through or done? Not that this team needs anymore leaders, but could it hurt?

Third, again, he been through it all. From playing on bad teams, to winning the Cup. He isn't first timer.

Fourth, there is no denying that the Wings don't have a true physical dman. If you say Kronwall, please, go play in traffic. The Wings could really use some muscle in the playoffs. The most physical guy the Wings had last year was Lilja. That's sad.

It's really a tough call to bring him in or not. His high salary does turn me off, but then again he is a UFA so the Wings could let him walk. All things aside, if he comes here, I'd be happy. If he doesn't I won't be sad.

he does have a high salary but we wouldnt take all of it and he's a ufa at seasons end .......... AND we got tons of cap room so why not ??? some of our best players unfortunetly only have a few yrs left in them so why not go for it ??

Derek meech is a nice prospect , probably not a top 4 d man but he should be around for a while , unfortunetly for him theres no space for him in detroit so i think its a matter of time before he leaves , and i predict he will be gone at the deadline

derek meech and a 3rd or 4th rounder for rob blake ??? Considering blakes high salary and not great play in l.a ( although pretty much the whole team is playing awful) and the fact that he's a ufa , i think this deal is more then realistic in my opinion

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I suppose if we could get blake for one season at 2.5-3 and maybe trade Lilja and Meech/Quincy/Sammy then I would be for it just because he leaves next season and it clears out our blue line to bring in youth with 1 or 2 spots, and I don't mind Sammy either way.

[imisssergei 0]

he does have a high salary but we wouldnt take all of it and he's a ufa at seasons end .......... AND we got tons of cap room so why not ??? some of our best players unfortunetly only have a few yrs left in them so why not go for it ??

Derek meech is a nice prospect , probably not a top 4 d man but he should be around for a while , unfortunetly for him theres no space for him in detroit so i think its a matter of time before he leaves , and i predict he will be gone at the deadline

derek meech and a 3rd or 4th rounder for rob blake ??? Considering blakes high salary and not great play in l.a ( although pretty much the whole team is playing awful) and the fact that he's a ufa , i think this deal is more then realistic in my opinion

It would take more than that to get Blake. Look what it took to get Bert last season.

You don't get a player like Blake for peanuts.

I think Blake would work, but there are several other players who could do just as well or better who Kenny could acquire for less and would cost the Wings less.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

It would take more than that to get Blake. Look what it took to get Bert last season.

You don't get a player like Blake for peanuts.

I think Blake would work, but there are several other players who could do just as well or better who Kenny could acquire for less and would cost the Wings less.

we gave up shawn matthias , a guy who's projected to be a 3rd line player, forget the fact that hes playing awesome this year in the ohl , when we traded him he was seen a 3rd line checking forward and we gave up a 2nd rounder , and another one if we resigned him ........ and bertuzzi was coming back from his injury so no one knew how effective he'd be

meech and a 3rd rounder and maybe a 2nd rounder if we resigned him sounds fair and about the same to me , matthias wasnt a blue chip prospect and neither is meech

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we gave up shawn matthias , a guy who's projected to be a 3rd line player, forget the fact that hes playing awesome this year in the ohl , when we traded him he was seen a 3rd line checking forward and we gave up a 2nd rounder , and another one if we resigned him ........ and bertuzzi was coming back from his injury so no one knew how effective he'd be

meech and a 3rd rounder and maybe a 2nd rounder if we resigned him sounds fair and about the same to me , matthias wasnt a blue chip prospect and neither is meech

"Florida Panthers traded Todd Bertuzzi to the Detroit Red Wings for Shawn Matthias, a conditional draft selection in 2007 and a conditional 2nd round selection in 2008."

Straight from TSN. Get your facts straight. Now, I'm not 100% sure which conditional pick is which, but the Wings gave up a second round pick when they didn't re-sign Bert. I don't know exactly how it worked out, maybe someone else can chime in here, but if the Wings won a certain about of games in the playoffs, they had to give up a first round pick, if they did, it was dropped to a second. At best, the Wings gave up Mattias and 2 second round picks.

Bertuzzi was a bigger question mark than Blake is. Blake would command more than a prospect and a pick.

[ben_usmc 253]

we gave up shawn matthias , a guy who's projected to be a 3rd line player, forget the fact that hes playing awesome this year in the ohl , when we traded him he was seen a 3rd line checking forward and we gave up a 2nd rounder , and another one if we resigned him ........ and bertuzzi was coming back from his injury so no one knew how effective he'd be

meech and a 3rd rounder and maybe a 2nd rounder if we resigned him sounds fair and about the same to me , matthias wasnt a blue chip prospect and neither is meech

At first I was against this idea but if we could get him for just that I'm for it. Plus you throw in the 2nd rounder if we resign him to make it sound better but we all know he won't be. Gets an open d man spot for next season too

[Guest wingswillwincup]

"Florida Panthers traded Todd Bertuzzi to the Detroit Red Wings for Shawn Matthias, a conditional draft selection in 2007 and a conditional 2nd round selection in 2008."

Straight from TSN. Get your facts straight. Now, I'm not 100% sure which conditional pick is which, but the Wings gave up a second round pick when they didn't re-sign Bert. I don't know exactly how it worked out, maybe someone else can chime in here, but if the Wings won a certain about of games in the playoffs, they had to give up a first round pick, if they did, it was dropped to a second. At best, the Wings gave up Mattias and 2 second round picks.

Bertuzzi was a bigger question mark than Blake is. Blake would command more than a prospect and a pick.

get your facts straight ...... LMAO .... that was funny

we gave up matthias , and 2nd round pick and we would of gave up another pick if we resigned him which we didnt , and bertuzzi because he was injured and we didnt know what to expect we had a deal that if he was in top 5 in pts on the team or the higher we made it in the playoffs the higher the pick would of been for florida

Rob blake would not get a deal like that because hes been playing and hasnt been hurt , so we wouldnt have to give blake a similar deal to get him ...... Blake would not command more then a prospect and pick , he hasnt been playing well , has a high salary and is a ufa at seasons end i dont really know what you think a team is gonna have to give up for blake but your way off , no way it would take like a hudler and 1st pick or kindl and 1st rd pick for rob blake which is what it seems like you think it would take

Edited January 2, 2008 by wingswillwincup

[imisssergei 0]

get your facts straight ...... LMAO .... that was funny

we gave up matthias , and 2nd round pick and we would of gave up another pick if we resigned him which we didnt , and bertuzzi because he was injured and we didnt know what to expect we had a deal that if he was in top 5 in pts on the team or the higher we made it in the playoffs the higher the pick would of been for florida

Rob blake would not get a deal like that because hes been playing and hasnt been hurt , so we wouldnt have to give blake a similar deal to get him ...... Blake would not command more then a prospect and pick , he hasnt been playing well , has a high salary and is a ufa at seasons end i dont really know what you think a team is gonna have to give up for blake but your way off , no way it would take like a hudler and 1st pick or kindl and 1st rd pick for rob blake which is what it seems like you think it would take

I though it was funny too

Again, I'm not 100% on the conditions, but it went something like this.

Matthias

conditional 2nd round pick - turned into 1st if the Wings signed Bert

conditional 2nd round pick - turned into 1st if the Wings went far enough in the playoffs, I think either the WCF or SCF

The thing you are missing is that this is Rob Blake. He is a marquee name. Regardless of what his play has been this season, he has the pedigree, just as Bertuzzi did. In fact, Bertuzzi was MUCH more of a risk for the Wings than Blake would be. The biggest reason your proposal wouldn't work is simply that there will be other teams trying to acquire a dman, and if Blake is being shopped, he will be sought after. It will turn into a bidding war. Yes he has a NTC, but that doesn't mean 1. he would waive it to come to Detroit, or 2. he wouldn't waive it to go elsewhere.

Bottom line, the negotiation's start with a prospect and a pick and go from there.

[eva unit zero 271]

And yes blake won his norris 10 yrs ago but so did chelios , now i know chelios is a freak of nature but that being said rob blake is a very talented defencemen

Chelios is the best conditioned player in the NHL. Chelios last contended for the Norris at age 40. Blake last contended for the Norris at age 33, the same season Chelios did; that being 2002. Blake finished behind Chelios in Norris and All-Star voting. Blake has not aged as gracefully as Chelios has over the past five years; due largely to the fact Chelios is a much better conditioned player. Blake would be behind Chelios on the depth chart, so he's not worth the likely price tag.

[imisssergei 0]

Chelios is the best conditioned player in the NHL. Chelios last contended for the Norris at age 40. Blake last contended for the Norris at age 33, the same season Chelios did; that being 2002. Blake finished behind Chelios in Norris and All-Star voting. Blake has not aged as gracefully as Chelios has over the past five years; due largely to the fact Chelios is a much better conditioned player. Blake would be behind Chelios on the depth chart, so he's not worth the likely price tag.

It has nothing to do with conditioning. They actually work out together over the summer. It's a pretty intense training program.

The difference is time hasn't been as kind to Blake as it has Cheli.

Edited January 2, 2008 by imisssergei

[Quadnational 3]

Perhaps instead of Blake, they can pick up Marek Malik from the Rangers. They're looking to unload him, and he's a big defensive defenseman.

Also, he scores some pretty sweet shootout goals...

[imisssergei 0]

Perhaps instead of Blake, they can pick up Marek Malik from the Rangers. They're looking to unload him, and he's a big defensive defenseman.

Also, he scores some pretty sweet shootout goals...

The first time I tried that move, I tripped myself. Luckily it wasn't during a game.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Malik is a more penalty prone Lilja. I'd pass.

[Louisville 112]

I'd just like to point out that the Kings beat the Hawks last night 9 - 2 and Blake was still a -1

[Louisville 112]

Oh yeah, and no points either.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Oh yeah, and no points either.

well anze kopitar , their best player got zero pts as well so i wouldnt put too much into it , sometimes a team can get 7 goals and their best player can have zero ...... its unusual but it happens

and the kings scored 5 ppl goals so that counts on the +/- , im surprised the kings only allowed 2 goals cause the hawks took 34 shots , i think your making it a bigger deal then it is , sometimes its the luck of the draw, brad stuart and visnovsky were + 4 so they were on the ice for the 4 goals on even strength ......... s*** happens

[Guest wingswillwincup]

It has nothing to do with conditioning. They actually work out together over the summer. It's a pretty intense training program.

The difference is time hasn't been as kind to Blake as it has Cheli.

rob blake had 14 goals last season , not too bad for an old man whos done ..... i find it hard to believe hes completely lost his game in one season , im more convinced its cuz his whole team basically sucks, he'd perform way better elsewhere...... i know your gonna say he was -26 last season but the kings have had goaltending problems for yrs and havent been too good defensivly overall , he still got 14 goals ............. before he came back to l.a last year he hasnt had a minus season since the year 2000 ...with LA, he'd be more then fine in detroit

[Guest wingswillwincup]

I though it was funny too

Again, I'm not 100% on the conditions, but it went something like this.

Matthias

conditional 2nd round pick - turned into 1st if the Wings signed Bert

conditional 2nd round pick - turned into 1st if the Wings went far enough in the playoffs, I think either the WCF or SCF

The thing you are missing is that this is Rob Blake. He is a marquee name. Regardless of what his play has been this season, he has the pedigree, just as Bertuzzi did. In fact, Bertuzzi was MUCH more of a risk for the Wings than Blake would be. The biggest reason your proposal wouldn't work is simply that there will be other teams trying to acquire a dman, and if Blake is being shopped, he will be sought after. It will turn into a bidding war. Yes he has a NTC, but that doesn't mean 1. he would waive it to come to Detroit, or 2. he wouldn't waive it to go elsewhere.

Bottom line, the negotiation's start with a prospect and a pick and go from there.

he stated he would waive his no trade , and if he wants to win he'd come to detroit , only a moron or someone who hates the wings for a personal reason wouldnt come ........ negotiations START with a prospect and pick ? LOL

what the hell do you think it would take a 38 yr old defencemen whos on his last year of a contract that pays him 6 million a year and whos been having problems on a team thats full of problems ??

derek meech

jiri hudler

1st rd pick

for rob blake ?

LOLLLL

god i hope thats not what your thinking

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

someone posted this earlier ........

Oh, and for the physical game.

Lilja: 75 hits

Blake: 43 hits

Lilja: 19 giveaways

Blake:20 giveaways

Lilja:10 takeaways

Blake: 9 takeaways

Lilja: 57 blocked shots

Blake:79 blocked shots (hey, he's beating Lilja in a stat)

they got basically the same takeaways and giveaways , one is on the worst team in the nhl and the other is on the best , so blake coming here i would say his numbers would be better then lilja's ........ blake has more blocked shots , and lilja has more hits then blake , but again i think that would improve here

And yes blake won his norris 10 yrs ago but so did chelios , now i know chelios is a freak of nature but that being said rob blake is a very talented defencemen , that talent just doesnt fade away and i can guarantee you if he was available numerous teams would try and acquire him..... and i can understand you saying ud want a player playing 110% all the time but lets face it when your dead last in the nhl and keep losing sometimes its hard to give it your all , if he comes here and plays with all the guys we got then i guarantee you it wont be hard for him to give it his all , he's still a way BIGGER improvement over lilja

I'm not too worried about the takeaways and giveaways stat.

Takeaways and giveaways are about the most unreliable stat in hockey. There's really no standard, so it comes down to the discretion of the home stats guy. I'm not sure I can find it again, but last season one hockey blog compared the stats around the league, and they were ridiculously different depending on the team and where they played.

Blog about the takeaway/giveaway stats

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I'd just like to point out that the Kings beat the Hawks last night 9 - 2 and Blake was still a -1

Blake logs the second most minutes on that team. Only Visnosky plays slightly more and he's a -13.

when you play nearly 23 minutes on a team as bad as the Kings, you're gonna be on the ice for a lot of goals, whether or not it was your fault.

As I said before, my main issue with possibly bringing Blake here is his salary. I didn't realize how much money he was making in L.A.

Edited January 2, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Blake logs the second most minutes on that team. Only Visnosky plays slightly more and he's a -13.

when you play nearly 23 minutes on a team as bad as the Kings, you're gonna be on the ice for a lot of goals, whether or not it was your fault.

As I said before, my main issue with possibly bringing Blake here is his salary. I didn't realize how much money he was making in L.A.

finally someone with some common sense lol .......... though your right about his salary being high thats one of the reasons i think it wouldnt cost us too much to aquire him , and also we got more then enough cap room , 5.5 million , if we added him we'd still have 2.5 million left to get us a good forward

I also thought about maybe going after adam foote but theres no way columbus would trade us foote or anyone else so, so far blake is the only thing i like defensivly ...... ill have to check the teams who are on the bottom and who might be available

[Mickeyisms Rule! 0]

Blake has a big nose and looks French. He is not European or small so he is not allowed on our team.