You're the GM...

[lets go pavel 2]

if we're looking for some extra scoring, what about vinnie prospal? 32 years old, 6-1, 195, he's putting up a point a game right now for TB, he's a UFA after the season and making 1.90 right now ... they look to be out of the playoffs right now, and unless they can move richards or st. louis he might not be in their plans for the future ... i haven't sene him play much, so maybe he isn't what we need, but we might be able to get him fairly cheaply ... or i know a lot of us around here like gratton, maybe we could give sammy + young D-man + draft pick and get both?

otherwise i wouldn't mess too much with what we've got going right now ...

[lets go pavel 2]

I'd throw a huge private party off the coast of Spain on my 200 foot yacht. Then I'd pull me a Fredo. I'd get drunk and bang models 2 at a time by telling them I'm a Hollywood producer and that I'm casting for my next movie.

That's what I'd do if I were the GM.

i'm not sure fredo's a big fan of boats ... :battle:

Edited January 6, 2008 by lets go pavel

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

A: Sign Foppa for 3 million.

B: Sammuelson and a third for Ryan malone, Mike Ryder, or Sean Avery

C: Kopecky + meech + 2nd rounder for nick Boynton

With Malone/avery

Zetts-Pavel-Homer

Hudler-Foppa-Filipulla

Malone/Avery-Franzen-Cleary

-Drake-Draper-Malts

Lidstrom-Kronwall

Boynton-Rafalski

Lebda-Cheli/Lilija

I like these idea's . we get tougher trade away the weaker players in the team and only lose a pick or two. wether it's possible i'm not sure . but i'd love to see these moves happen.

Forsberg for all that some hate him because he was an Ave, he'd be an outstanding rent a player and i wouldn't mind seing him come in to help push for the Cup.

i'll never understand why others want to trade away Hudler when he is really good player that gives the Wings a scoring touch and a different dimension.

[imisssergei 0]

Wow, I think a lot of you would get laughed at for even making some of those proposals to other GM's.

Here is what I would do.

Give Markov $2 for the rest of the season. Whatever that works out to, it'd still leave the Wings with about $3 in cap space.

I'd trade Lilja and Sammy to whomever wants them for the best possbile prospect at forward. My first call would be to the 'Yotes.

With the way Flip and Rex have been playing, it almost makes me want to skip getting a top six sniper. Almost.

That is where things get tricky. Rumors have Demitra, and Nagy possible on the move. For my money, Nagy is the guy. I'd try to move Meech, Quincey a 2nd round pick.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

So you're saying the Sabres wouldn't deal Connolly/Campbell for Meech/Lebda/Emmerton if it looked like they weren't going to be able to keep either player at a reasonable salary? Campbell has already turned down 5m...which is probably more than he should be getting to begin with.

Tallinder was put in because I think he is the most likely defenseman to be shopped in preparation for a Campbell contract. Buffalo's spending limits will likely preclude them from keeping both Connolly and Pominville without dealing off Thomas Vanek. Vanek is more likely to be shopped, but he wouldn't fit in the Wings' salary structure so I didn't include him.

I think it's a realistic proposal given that the Sabres would be getting talented young players in return for UFAs who could very well be leaving at the end of the season. Talent-wise, yes it is skewed in our favor. But not as skewed as many deals involving pending UFAs that are executed every deadline. Buffalo will have Spacek, Lydman, and Campbell signed on D and will need to ship out Tallinder and cut loose Kalinin to fit their budget. Getting Lilja/Lebda and Meech allows them to have more defensive depth that can play at the NHL level.

I wasn't suggesting that Hartigan or Ellis was worth Gaustad alone, but rather that the Sabres would require a youngish checking line center if Gaustad was part of the deal.

It's not fair. Just realistic.

No, they wouldnt. Just because a team feels like they may not be able to re-sign someone, doesnt mean they would give them away for a third of their value. What about all the other teams in the league who might want those guys? Do you really think the Wings could sneak in with a lame offer like that and get those two? No way. You have to give up guys of value. If we traded Derek Meech for a draft pick, we'd be lucky to get a 5th. You called him a solid prospect earlier,...no, he isnt. He is nothing special, and is your basic run of the mill prospect. How can you even say Meech is an NHL caliber defenseman? He hasnt proven anything yet, he's only here because they feel they might lose him on waivers if he wasnt. Lebda and Meech together wouldnt even get you Gaustad. Cory Emmerton isnt some stud prospect either...Sabres could do MUCH better than that.

[imisssergei 0]

No, they wouldnt. Just because a team feels like they may not be able to re-sign someone, doesnt mean they would give them away for a third of their value. What about all the other teams in the league who might want those guys? Do you really think the Wings could sneak in with a lame offer like that and get those two? No way. You have to give up guys of value. If we traded Derek Meech for a draft pick, we'd be lucky to get a 5th. You called him a solid prospect earlier,...no, he isnt. He is nothing special, and is your basic run of the mill prospect. How can you even say Meech is an NHL caliber defenseman? He hasnt proven anything yet, he's only here because they feel they might lose him on waivers if he wasnt. Lebda and Meech together wouldnt even get you Gaustad. Cory Emmerton isnt some stud prospect either...Sabres could do MUCH better than that.

I agree 100% with you.

The Sabers have a hard-on for both Connolly and Campbell. They have stated numerous times that those two players are the future of the team. No way they trade them.

Edited January 6, 2008 by imisssergei

[eva unit zero 271]

I agree 100% with you.

The Sabers have a hard-on for both Connolly and Campbell. They have stated numerous times that those two players are the future of the team. No way they trade them.

So use Pominville and Tallinder in my scenario then.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

So use Pominville and Tallinder in my scenario then.

Pominville has double the trade value of Connolly.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Actually, its probably closer to triple. No way in hell they give us him for the guys you've named off so far.

[imisssergei 0]

So use Pominville and Tallinder in my scenario then.

So why exactly would Buffalo even consider this deal? None of the guys you mentioned, save Campbell, are pending UFA's. Why would Buffalo want to make a deal when they have plenty of cap space to re-sign Campbell? They don't have any other players that are pending UFA's who could cost very much to sign. I fail to see the motivating factor for Buffalo. They would be making they team worse, for the potential to become no better in the future than they currently are.

[eva unit zero 271]

So why exactly would Buffalo even consider this deal? None of the guys you mentioned, save Campbell, are pending UFA's. Why would Buffalo want to make a deal when they have plenty of cap space to re-sign Campbell? They don't have any other players that are pending UFA's who could cost very much to sign. I fail to see the motivating factor for Buffalo. They would be making they team worse, for the potential to become no better in the future than they currently are.

Connolly is a UFA after next season and could cost in the 5m-plus range if he continues his current level of play. Campbell has already turned down a deal for 5m. Pominville is likely to be looking at the same kind of money as Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf are expected to be looking at. Buffalo WILL NOT be able to afford to keep them all. The Sabres tend to operate under a self imposed cap well below the actual cap; as their current payroll is about 42.5m with Numminen off the cap, we'll assume the self-cap to be around 45m. That would mean they currently have 7m available to sign players for next season, with Gaustad, Paille, Ryan, Kalinin, Campbell, Pratt, and Thibault as either UFA or RFA after the season. If you resign Gaustad, Paille, Ryan, Pratt, and Thibault at their current salaries, that adds up to just over 3m; this allows only 4m to retain or replace Campbell and Kalinin. We'll assume for argument Campbell will end up taking the 5m. The Sabres are now 1m over their self-imposed payroll ceiling, while still needing to replace a defenseman who currently makes nearly 3m. NOW do you understand why they might be willing to trade pending UFA Campbell?

[eva unit zero 271]

Actually, its probably closer to triple. No way in hell they give us him for the guys you've named off so far.

Mark my words. Possibly by the end of this season, and definitely by the end of next season, at least one of Vanek, Connolly, or Pominville will have been traded.

[CMatt89 63]

This is what the Wings should do :

Forwards..

Keep the Datsyk Fillpula Cleary line intact : 2 playmakers and a tough guy to free the puck up in the corners

Have Hudler and Holmstrom with Zetterberg : 2 shooters and Holmstrom in front for the garbage goals

Draper Kopecky and Maltby : Toughness..hard work, defense

Downey Franzen and Drake : Toughness, Police.

I think Downey and Drake both have to be in the lineup throughout the playoffs..to provide toughness and stand up for our skill players.

Subtractions..Sammuelsson ..

Defense:

Lidstrom Lilja

Rafalski Kronwall

Lebda Chelios

Lilja and Lebda are the weak points..although Lilja can provide toughness when he wants to and Lebda has been sound all year..

I still think we need a checking defenseman..doesnt have to be a Phanuef..a small profile guy who will hit and stick up for our guys and sacrifice his body to block shots..once again..doesnt have to be a superstar.

I think we have the toughness/grit and skill up front to win us a cup, the defense to shutdown..less then average physically though..

Our goalies...well, we cant say enough about them..

I see a cup in our near future.

[imisssergei 0]

Connolly is a UFA after next season and could cost in the 5m-plus range if he continues his current level of play. Campbell has already turned down a deal for 5m. Pominville is likely to be looking at the same kind of money as Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf are expected to be looking at. Buffalo WILL NOT be able to afford to keep them all. The Sabres tend to operate under a self imposed cap well below the actual cap; as their current payroll is about 42.5m with Numminen off the cap, we'll assume the self-cap to be around 45m. That would mean they currently have 7m available to sign players for next season, with Gaustad, Paille, Ryan, Kalinin, Campbell, Pratt, and Thibault as either UFA or RFA after the season. If you resign Gaustad, Paille, Ryan, Pratt, and Thibault at their current salaries, that adds up to just over 3m; this allows only 4m to retain or replace Campbell and Kalinin. We'll assume for argument Campbell will end up taking the 5m. The Sabres are now 1m over their self-imposed payroll ceiling, while still needing to replace a defenseman who currently makes nearly 3m. NOW do you understand why they might be willing to trade pending UFA Campbell?[/font]

The Sabers brass have said numerous times that they have learned from losing their two captains this past offseason. While I can see them moving Campbell, I think it's a stretch to say they will move one of the forwards you mentioned. If anyone gets moved, I think it's Afinogenov.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Mark my words. Possibly by the end of this season, and definitely by the end of next season, at least one of Vanek, Connolly, or Pominville will have been traded.

Im not disagreeing with that. My only disagreement is the players on the Wings that you're saying carry the value to interest Buffalo for these guys.

[eva unit zero 271]

Im not disagreeing with that. My only disagreement is the players on the Wings that you're saying carry the value to interest Buffalo for these guys.

I tried to base my trade proposal on deadline deals from the past few years and the kind of value similar players have tended to go for. Mathieu Schneider went for a checking forward, a journeyman defenseman, and two picks. Mike Comrie went for a mid-level prospect. Schneider/Comrie is a comparable value to Campbell/Connolly. Emmerton/Lebda/Meech plus maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick is a comparable package to what the Wings and Sens gave up in the Schneider and Comrie deals.

[imisssergei 0]

I tried to base my trade proposal on deadline deals from the past few years and the kind of value similar players have tended to go for. Mathieu Schneider went for a checking forward, a journeyman defenseman, and two picks. Mike Comrie went for a mid-level prospect. Schneider/Comrie is a comparable value to Campbell/Connolly. Emmerton/Lebda/Meech plus maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick is a comparable package to what the Wings and Sens gave up in the Schneider and Comrie deals.

One key factor you are missing is age. Matty was much older when he was traded. Campbell is in his prime, and would command more at the deadline. Let's not forget that if Buffalo is in a playoff spot, the most likely don't deal anyone.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

I tried to base my trade proposal on deadline deals from the past few years and the kind of value similar players have tended to go for. Mathieu Schneider went for a checking forward, a journeyman defenseman, and two picks. Mike Comrie went for a mid-level prospect. Schneider/Comrie is a comparable value to Campbell/Connolly. Emmerton/Lebda/Meech plus maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick is a comparable package to what the Wings and Sens gave up in the Schneider and Comrie deals.

Mike Comrie wasnt a deadline trade...he went in very early January. I remember him being dealt off at that point in the season made no sense when it happened, which strongly leads me to believe there was something going on with him and Phoenix and Gretzky wanted him gone immediately. Mike Comrie is no stranger to having an attitude problem. This is why his value was lessened for that deal imo. As mentioned above, Campbell is much younger than Schneider was and is in his prime. I see what you're logic is but i dont think its comparable. Connolly/Campbell would have significantly more value, especially at the deadline.

[KDDRWINGS1 9]

how is huds a prick?

Just what I've heard from various people who've had multiple encounters with him.

[KDDRWINGS1 9]

Federov, huh? Never heard of him.

Good one buddy but at least Federov and Fedorov are a lot closer than Kirk and Kurt.

[imisssergei 0]

Good one buddy but at least Federov and Fedorov are a lot closer than Kirk and Kurt.

Oh come on boys, both were one vowel off!!