suggestion to clean up the leafs HUGE mess

[Guest wingswillwincup]

trade mats sundin to vancouver for cory schneider and mason raymond

trade darcy tucker to calgary flames ... this enables the flames to be able to resign huselius and basically replace conroy with tucker , and this enables the leafs to get rid of a contract after next season rather then keep tuckers contract for 3 more seasons

trade brian mccabe to san jose for Marc-Edouard Vlasic ....... sharks need a shot from the point and hes locked up for a few more years , and i know hes got a no trade claus but a sunny location and cup contender in sj or toronto and all the headaches of the media ?? ... umm touch choice lol

trade pavel kubina to chicago for a 3rd round pick or some prospect ...... hawks are looking for an offensive defensemen locked up beyond this past season and they got cap room

trade mark bell to saint louis for a 5th rd draft pick

trade andrew raycroft to los angeles kings for a 4th rd pick

trade panikarovsky and gill to western teams for picks

you get rid of some players and get back some cap room to sign better guys and get some picks/prospects

sign hossa longterm in the off season 6 yrs/6.5 per

sign sundin back for 5 mill ( i think hed take less to help the team )

sign cujo as backup for 1 mill ( says he wants to retire as a leaf and can still play)

sign aaron ward 2 yrs 2.5 per

sign redden for 5 yrs 5.75 per

2008-2009 lineup ( itll be tight but it can be done i think , +tanguays contract finishes at seasons end )

tanguay sundin hossa

blake antropov wellwood

raymond stajan steen

kilger devereaux belak

battaglia

kaberle ward

redden Colaiacovo

white Wozniewski

toskala

cujo

any thoughts ??? ...... i told you guys i was bored lol

Edited January 11, 2008 by wingswillwincup

[YoungGuns1340 1]

mccabe for vlasic? Why the hell would San Jose want to take on Mccabe who is injury prone at this stage, terrible defensively, and has a bloated contract for a cheap, smart, young Dman who is better defensively already?

Why does LA need another crappy subpar goalie? They should be cutting payroll and adding picks/prospects anymore, not taking on players who are expensive for their crappy play...

Then they can just automatically snag Hossa and Redden and re-sign Sundin?

And who said St. Louis wanted Bell?

Kubina has been one of Torontos better Dmen this year...

The flames add Tucker? WHY? Hes terrible nowadays and Calgary doesnt need to replace Conroy. Hes like a brother to Iginla and hes cheap. He goes nowhere..

Sorry bro, but this is kind of arrogant of you to think turning around a franchise is as easy as this. If it were this easy, JFJ wouldve done that by now.

[arnoldbuck 0]

Interesting. I dont like the concept of Sundin in Vancouver though. (though I understand thats not your point) Van is getting scary bout' now with how well Lu is playing. They dont need someone with Mats touch.

[MacK_Attack 108]

85% of the guys you mentioned that the Leafs should trade are untradable because of Fergie's vast overpayments.

They need to trade Sundin to the highest bidder, that's the most important thing to do. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

They'll be in the Stamkos race, so adding him is probably the best thing they can do at this point, and then stay bad and try and get Tavares.

The LAST thing they should try to do is turn this thing around in one year.

Edited January 11, 2008 by MacK_Attack

[toby91_ca 620]

Some of the worst grammar/spelling I have ever seen

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

They should just trade Sundin for Samuelsson and Lilja. This would end all their problems and might even bring them their first Cup in 41 years.

[thedisappearer 291]

Damn, I'm not gonna get that minute and a half of my life back... what a waste...

[Guest wingswillwincup]

mccabe for vlasic? Why the hell would San Jose want to take on Mccabe who is injury prone at this stage, terrible defensively, and has a bloated contract for a cheap, smart, young Dman who is better defensively already?

Why does LA need another crappy subpar goalie? They should be cutting payroll and adding picks/prospects anymore, not taking on players who are expensive for their crappy play...

Then they can just automatically snag Hossa and Redden and re-sign Sundin?

And who said St. Louis wanted Bell?

Kubina has been one of Torontos better Dmen this year...

The flames add Tucker? WHY? Hes terrible nowadays and Calgary doesnt need to replace Conroy. Hes like a brother to Iginla and hes cheap. He goes nowhere..

Sorry bro, but this is kind of arrogant of you to think turning around a franchise is as easy as this. If it were this easy, JFJ wouldve done that by now.

san jose needs a shot from the point , ill give you that mccabe isnt great defensivly but the whole team in toronto is a disaster , i threw in vlasic cause hes a young defensemen , if not him then who ?? carle ? they just signed him to a longterm deal i believe , they can just get mccabe for free , hes 32 i still think he can play

l.a is a disaster and needs help in goal , maybe raycroft aint the answer but who is ? at least hes only got one more year on his deal , and 2 million isnt alot

i heard a few yrs ago how calgary was interested in tucker ........ and the flames will have to get rid of a big contract to resign phaneuf and huselius , and tanguay makes sense , theyd get 2.5+ by trading him for tucker back in cap space .. i said replace tucker with conroy cause they got similiar contracts but then again he isnt having to good a season so he can probably be signed for cheaper then his 2.5

kubin to chicago , well like i said the hawks need an offensive defensemen and the leafs need to dump salary and get better

and you think im arrogant ?? LMAO jesus christ dude im just passing time making suggestions , opinions i dont think im ken holland ...... jfj is a f'n idiot though , im sure almost anyone here could do better , hes just afraid of doing anything cause if the leafs dont make the playoffs hes fired ..... if he trades guys hes admitting he hasnt done his job and is fired , so basically hes screwed

anyways if you have any suggestions you believe is realistic then by all means go ahead , like i said its just my suggestions, right or wrong , id like to hear what you think is a realistic and fair deal ... you didnt diss me on the sundin trade so im guessing you think thats more believable then the rest ...... anyways

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Damn, I'm not gonna get that minute and a half of my life back... what a waste...

good one

[Guest wingswillwincup]

85% of the guys you mentioned that the Leafs should trade are untradable because of Fergie's vast overpayments.

They need to trade Sundin to the highest bidder, that's the most important thing to do. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

They'll be in the Stamkos race, so adding him is probably the best thing they can do at this point, and then stay bad and try and get Tavares.

The LAST thing they should try to do is turn this thing around in one year.

i dont think theyll plan to tank it next year just to get tavares .... nothing is guaranteed theres a lottery draft , and yes i dont think itll be an easy thing to trade those guys i mentioned but i think it can be done , im sure theres a team out there who might be interested in mccabe , you might have to take in a guy making 2 million back but it can be done, but your right trading sundin should be their first priority , after that the rest will follow

[YoungGuns1340 1]

san jose needs a shot from the point , ill give you that mccabe isnt great defensivly but the whole team in toronto is a disaster , i threw in vlasic cause hes a young defensemen , if not him then who ?? carle ? they just signed him to a longterm deal i believe , they can just get mccabe for free , hes 32 i still think he can play

l.a is a disaster and needs help in goal , maybe raycroft aint the answer but who is ? at least hes only got one more year on his deal , and 2 million isnt alot

i heard a few yrs ago how calgary was interested in tucker ........ and the flames will have to get rid of a big contract to resign phaneuf and huselius , and tanguay makes sense , theyd get 2.5+ by trading him for tucker back in cap space .. i said replace tucker with conroy cause they got similiar contracts but then again he isnt having to good a season so he can probably be signed for cheaper then his 2.5

kubin to chicago , well like i said the hawks need an offensive defensemen and the leafs need to dump salary and get better

and you think im arrogant ?? LMAO jesus christ dude im just passing time making suggestions , opinions i dont think im ken holland ...... jfj is a f'n idiot though , im sure almost anyone here could do better , hes just afraid of doing anything cause if the leafs dont make the playoffs hes fired ..... if he trades guys hes admitting he hasnt done his job and is fired , so basically hes screwed

anyways if you have any suggestions you believe is realistic then by all means go ahead , like i said its just my suggestions, right or wrong , id like to hear what you think is a realistic and fair deal ... you didnt diss me on the sundin trade so im guessing you think thats more believable then the rest ...... anyways

JFJ is an idiot I will give you that. And my bad..I see now that these were only suggestions. Still I stand by my original assessments. LA doesnt need another crap goaltender. Cloutier? Labarbera? now Raycroft? Enough of that crap. As for Mccabe, Toronto couldnt give him and his albatross of a contract away. Vlasic is the better Dman now anyways. As for Tucker, a lot of teams wanted him a couple years ago when he looked like a 30 goal man. Now hes lost all of that and more..

[MacK_Attack 108]

McCabe you can trade at a reduced return in order to get a team to swallow his contract.

Raycroft is not going to L.A., not after the performance he put on there last night.

The biggest problem is that the top paid players, the ones they need to move, are all on no-trade or no-movement clauses.

The scary part is that the current group of veterans has completely given up and mailed it in. But if they traded those off and dressed some hungry kids, I think they would probably win a few more games and might get out of Stamkos territory. If they're in this deep, I want Stamkos or Doughty.

[daniel1 32]

While they're at it, why not Wellwood for Crosby and Antropov for Ovechkin? Get real! A necessary part of any trade is that BOTH teams have to willing to make the trade, not just Toronto. I don't think any of the other teams you mentioned would do any of those deals - - ever. This isn't NHL 08 on Playstation bud.

[motorcitykid 42]

The Leafs need a major overhaul. Not quick fixes.

No guys hired who aren't qualified and only hire their friends and give them cushy jobes.

They need to get rid of the Teacher's Pension Fund who are only concerned about making cash.

They need an owner who cares about the game, and knows it and until then they will only continue to be a joke of a team, who get zero respect anywhere outside of Toronto. [Leafs fans still think this team is a deal or two away from contending].

The ownership is all wrong. The "hockey" guys they've hired know nothing, are inexperienced and overwhelmed in that market and wouldn't likely catch a job with any other NHL team. I mean this is the same team under Pat Quinn who hired Rick Ley as an assistant for example.

But hey to see them fall so far and see their arrogant [not sure why] fans cry is indeed a whole lot of fun!! Screw 'em.

[MacK_Attack 108]

[Leafs fans still think this team is a deal or two away from contending].

Psst....No they don't! A lot of non-Leaf fans just assume that because it fuels their belief of what Leafs fans are really like.

[StaticWithABeat 0]

If I were to make suggestions to the Leafs, it wouldn't involve trades so much as it would involve selling off their assets (AKA Mats Sundin), burning that roster to the ground, and rebuilding the old-fashioned way. I'd also suggest firing and publicly flogging their management staff, as well as selling the team to an owner who cares about something other than money.

In reality though, I don't expect them to do any of these things. I expect them to continue with their current strategy of patching just enough holes in the roster to stay in hockey purgatory - not good enough to compete but not bad enough to get high draft picks.

[MacK_Attack 108]

If I were to make suggestions to the Leafs, it wouldn't involve trades so much as it would involve selling off their assets (AKA Mats Sundin), burning that roster to the ground, and rebuilding the old-fashioned way. I'd also suggest firing and publicly flogging their management staff, as well as selling the team to an owner who cares about something other than money.

In reality though, I don't expect them to do any of these things. I expect them to continue with their current strategy of patching just enough holes in the roster to stay in hockey purgatory - not good enough to compete but not bad enough to get high draft picks.

Oh, they're clearly bad enough now to get high draft picks. They're 3rd-last and dropping. They've lost 10-of-12 and have lost the will to compete. They're free-falling.

As for the management team, those wheels appear to be in motion. Nothing will happen until they get back from the West Coast on Sunday.

[arnoldbuck 0]

They should just trade Sundin for Samuelsson and Lilja. This would end all their problems and might even bring them their first Cup in 41 years.

Just imagine the look on our faces if this goes through, Samuelson scores 50, and Lilja wins the Conn Smythe.

[up2here 41]

trade mats sundin to vancouver for cory schneider and mason raymond

trade darcy tucker to calgary flames ... this enables the flames to be able to resign huselius and basically replace conroy with tucker , and this enables the leafs to get rid of a contract after next season rather then keep tuckers contract for 3 more seasons

trade brian mccabe to san jose for Marc-Edouard Vlasic ....... sharks need a shot from the point and hes locked up for a few more years , and i know hes got a no trade claus but a sunny location and cup contender in sj or toronto and all the headaches of the media ?? ... umm touch choice lol

trade pavel kubina to chicago for a 3rd round pick or some prospect ...... hawks are looking for an offensive defensemen locked up beyond this past season and they got cap room

trade mark bell to saint louis for a 5th rd draft pick

trade andrew raycroft to los angeles kings for a 4th rd pick

trade panikarovsky and gill to western teams for picks

you get rid of some players and get back some cap room to sign better guys and get some picks/prospects

sign hossa longterm in the off season 6 yrs/6.5 per

sign sundin back for 5 mill ( i think hed take less to help the team )

sign cujo as backup for 1 mill ( says he wants to retire as a leaf and can still play)

sign aaron ward 2 yrs 2.5 per

sign redden for 5 yrs 5.75 per

2008-2009 lineup ( itll be tight but it can be done i think , +tanguays contract finishes at seasons end )

tanguay sundin hossa

blake antropov wellwood

raymond stajan steen

kilger devereaux belak

battaglia

kaberle ward

redden Colaiacovo

white Wozniewski

toskala

cujo

any thoughts ??? ...... i told you guys i was bored lol

The salary cap complicates just about every move you suggest not to mention that if the Leafs go in to re-building mode they wont go after 31 year old Wade Redden and 35 year old Aaron Ward.

[stlwing14 0]

Toronto could use Darrly Sittler and Doug Gilmore again. Otherwise, tear it down, salt the ground, start over.

Or if Gary B is reading, move the team to San Antonio.

[Barrie 900]

85% of the guys you mentioned that the Leafs should trade are untradable because of Fergie's vast overpayments.

They need to trade Sundin to the highest bidder, that's the most important thing to do. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

Right, the only guy the Leafs can trade is Sundin because he's in his last year of a contract, and he's Sundin.

No team is going to want to trade for Tucker, McCabe, Kubina, Raycroft, etc.. JFJ signed these guys for to long and for to much. The Leafs will have to wait until their contracts expire, or pray to God they'll play better and some team will trade for them in their last year.

This is a huge mess, which will probably take 10+ years to fix. Just think it took the Wings 14 years to win the Stanley Cup after they drafted Yzerman, and it took the Sens the same amount of time to make it to their first Stanley Cup Finals after they started in the NHL. Since the Leafs have no help on the farm, and will have to start from scratch, assuming they make enough right moves, it'll take them that long for them to become a Stanley Cup Favorite.

[Grittzkey 1]

Before anybody asks..

No i did not decide to make a new account name and post about a team i know nothing about.

[edicius 3,269]

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Edited January 12, 2008 by edicius

[BeeRYCE 2]

If Toronto gets the opportunity to draft Drew Doughty or Steve Stamkos.. That will clean this mess squeaky clean.

[12Newf 0]

wow....every one of those trades makes next to no sense. sundin can obviously be traded but seriously why are people even bothering to come up with their own trade ideas for guys like mccabe and raycroft!? NOBODY wants them. obviously ferguson is on the phone with every gm he can reach and is trying to give these guys away but no one seems interested at this point. if he decides to blow the team up right now then he will get hardly any return for any of these guys. its time to start firing people and waiving some of the bush league players like raycroft with his 4.00 gaa. there's no point in blowing the team up mid season. trade sundin for some young prospects and picks and cross your fingers in a 25% shot at stamkos. then if you get him dont trade him for owen nolan or a similarly old and washed up player such as roberts or recchi.