Heatley out 4-6 weeks (sep. shoulder)

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

It's true though. He should be in prison. He had been drinking, speeding, and killed someone because of it.

I would be in jail right now.

1) It's not what this thread is about.

2) He wasn't drunk, if that's what you're implying. I think he admitted to having one beer, but was nowhere near the legal limit. He was speeding and reckless driving. Alcohol wasn't a factor.

3) The legal system apparently disagrees with you.

[Wildwings44 5]

Heatly should be in a 8x6, not shooting at a 4x6.

It's nice to see that people feel the same way I do. Thanks

[Guest Crymson]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=227200&hubname=nhl

Good Luck Sens.

I'd say we as well as won this game, then, despite the score being against us.

[Turkey 0]

I couldn't help but think this was a little karma for the Sens when it happened. They were very good last night at the little dirty hits when the refs weren't looking. I saw a very intentional run on Hasek behind the play at one point (no call) and I watched Drake get punched in the back of the head right next to the ref (no call).

Can't really blame the refs for that, since they were watching the play around the puck and can't see everything but when Heatley took that digger into the boards and came up hurt I have to admit I felt a little better about that punch in the head.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Damn...that sucks. Im not a Heatley fan by any means. But he's such a talent. Sucks to see he's out for that long. But all in all, the Sens will be just fine. Cause the important thing is, Heatley will be back in time for the playoffs. And that's really all that matters.

[imisssergei 0]

1) It's not what this thread is about.

2) He wasn't drunk, if that's what you're implying. I think he admitted to having one beer, but was nowhere near the legal limit. He was speeding and reckless driving. Alcohol wasn't a factor.

3) The legal system apparently disagrees with you.

1) How often do threads stay spot on the intended topic?

2) He admitted to having one beer before driving, which means he had alcohol in his system. You can't say alcohol wasn't a factor simply because he was under the 'legal limit' Alcohol effects your system, regardless of how much you have. Case and point, look at someone who has one beer for the first time. They get a good buzz. The only reason you don't get a good buzz if you are an experienced drinker, is your body is used to the chemicals released to fight the effect of the alcohol. The alcohol still has an equally potent effect on the body.

3) The legal system would have put average joe in jail for a long time. Simply because Heatly is a celeb, and Snyder's family are incredibly forgiving people shouldn't change anything. He should be in jail for involuntary manslaughter.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Finally Drake injures someone with a hit. Before the season, that was the only bonus I saw in signing him. Too bad for Ottawa, but he'll be back for the playoffs which is all that matters.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

One smile came out of today's game.

Good luck Sens, get well later Killer

I take offense to that.

A good friend of mine was in a similar accident when we were in grade 11, killing his passenger - another friend. He wasn't drunk - but he was speeding. It was a terrible accident and horrible time for everyone who knew both of them. The driver was on suicide watch for a year before he finally regained some normalcy to his life. He was young, it was an accident. That does not make him 'a killer', and nobody considers him a killer.

I am sure Dany still struggles with what happened, and its a great story to see him restart his career and have the kind of success he is having.

At the same time, I am sure he gives two s***s about what you think of him - its his thing to get over and deal with not yours. It wasn't your friend and teammate who died.

Sucks to hear he is out for a couple of weeks, he is having a hell of a year/

[Yzerfan1999 81]

3) The legal system would have put average joe in jail for a long time. Simply because Heatly is a celeb, and Snyder's family are incredibly forgiving people shouldn't change anything. He should be in jail for involuntary manslaughter.

I believe my friend could be classified as your 'average joe', and he wasn't charged after an investigation.

And deferring the topic of a thread is one thing if you are discussing some worth while about hockey. Attempting to turn it into a 'Heatley is a murderer' thread is useless, but if you feel the need - start a discussion int he 'Off Topic' forum please.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

1) How often do threads stay spot on the intended topic?

2) He admitted to having one beer before driving, which means he had alcohol in his system. You can't say alcohol wasn't a factor simply because he was under the 'legal limit' Alcohol effects your system, regardless of how much you have. Case and point, look at someone who has one beer for the first time. They get a good buzz. The only reason you don't get a good buzz if you are an experienced drinker, is your body is used to the chemicals released to fight the effect of the alcohol. The alcohol still has an equally potent effect on the body.

3) The legal system would have put average joe in jail for a long time. Simply because Heatly is a celeb, and Snyder's family are incredibly forgiving people shouldn't change anything. He should be in jail for involuntary manslaughter.

1) Not enough

2) Yes I can say alcohol was not a factor. He had virtually none in his system. For you to somehow imply he was drunk driving is patently false and ridiculous.

3) Celebrity? How many people in Atlanta do you think would recognize Heatley? Furthermore he pled guilty to four charges, on of which was a felony and was sentenced to 3 years probation. He avoided jail partly due to Snyder's family requesting leniency from the judge. The court also has to approve what car he buys and drives and he has to make 150 speeches about what he did.

He was a young kid that acted incredibly recklessly and stupidly, and ended up killing his friend and teammate. The legal system is satisfied, Snyder's family is satisfied. Get over it.

We were talking about his hockey related injury.

[edicius 3,269]

3) Celebrity? How many people in Atlanta do you think would recognize Heatley?

My thoughts exactly. These players may be celebrities to us, but not to the public at large. It's the difference between a Dany Heatley and a Michael Vick.

Now, concerning the injury...

The Sens are lucky that it's not worse than 4-6 weeks. We'll see how strong the Sens are without him in the lineup for a while. This is pretty equivalent to our missing Zata, only for longer.

[Nero 20]

Now obviously I am a huge wings fan, but to not care and be happy about someone from another team being injured is just mean and un-sportsmen.... Heatly is a very good player, so this will be hard for the sens to adapt to during his absense... so i hope he gets better soon and gets back to the ice because being first is great, but it is even better when you beat a whole team that has all their good players... But honestly I would never wish upon someone, from any team, to get injured.... that was just dumb and very disrespectful.

I never said I was happy about him being injured. He broke rules, put himself and Drake in danger, and wound up hurting himself. He'll be back in 4 - 6 weeks. Life goes on.

Edited January 13, 2008 by Nero

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

I take offense to that.

A good friend of mine was in a similar accident when we were in grade 11, killing his passenger - another friend. He wasn't drunk - but he was speeding. It was a terrible accident and horrible time for everyone who knew both of them. The driver was on suicide watch for a year before he finally regained some normalcy to his life. He was young, it was an accident. That does not make him 'a killer', and nobody considers him a killer.

I am sure Dany still struggles with what happened, and its a great story to see him restart his career and have the kind of success he is having.

At the same time, I am sure he gives two s***s about what you think of him - its his thing to get over and deal with not yours. It wasn't your friend and teammate who died.

I take offense to your offense. I can say what I want when it comes to someone who broke the law and got away with it. Should I feel sorry for Dany Heatley whose life was shattered... Oh wait. Sounds like your friend did nothing wrong except speed. But since I don't know the whole story, I won't comment on it. But I know more about the Heatley incident to where I believe that I can have an opinion on it. Drinking, speeding, crash, death. And not just regular speeding, but split-your-Ferrari-in-two-using-a-wall speeding.

But, I'm sure there are people in this world who think O.J. should be remembered for his playing days. But today, since Heatley has pretty much done nothing but kill someone, that is my nickname for him, "Killer."

But if it will appease the masses, good luck Dany, may your recovery be as speedy as your driving.

Edited January 13, 2008 by Wings_Dynasty

[Yzerfan1999 81]

I take offense to your offense. I can say what I want when it comes to someone who broke the law and got away with it. Should I feel sorry for Dany Heatley whose life was shattered... Oh wait. Sounds like your friend did nothing wrong except speed. But since I don't know the whole story, I won't comment on it. But I know more about the Heatley incident to where I believe that I can have an opinion on it. Drinking, speeding, crash, death. And not just regular speeding, but split-your-Ferrari-in-two-using-a-wall speeding.

But, I'm sure there are people in this world who think O.J. should be remembered for his playing days. But today, since Heatley has pretty much done nothing but kill someone, that is my nickname for him, "Killer."

But if it will appease the masses, good luck Dany, may your recovery be as speedy as your driving.

He didn't get away with anything - he pleaded guilty to second-degree vehicular homicide, driving too fast for conditions, failure to maintain a lane, and speeding. At the time, his blood-alcohol content was the legal limit. He was sentenced to three years probation, and the judge required the court to approve of Heatley's vehicle, which could not have more than six cylinders and would not surpass 70mph (112km/h). here is the link

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=113782&hubname=

On the same note- I don't hear people bitching about Craig McTavish - who killed a young woman while driving drunk and only served one year in jail. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...756C0A963948260

There is a difference between Killers and accidents, if you can't figure out the difference between the two labels - thats your problem.

Edited January 13, 2008 by Yzerfan1999

[wingslogo19 281]

That's too bad about Heatley, I like him good hockey player. This will be a good test for the Sens

[bellarina 1]

My thoughts exactly. These players may be celebrities to us, but not to the public at large. It's the difference between a Dany Heatley and a Michael Vick.

He may not have been recognized on the spot as a celeb but his Ferrari told the cops something.

He says he had 1 beer!! Good for him, betcha he had more. Just because he released a book that describes the events in his words does not make it all facts...(Don't beleive everything you read). Even police reports are fixed all the times, especially when its convinient for millionaires.

He should have been locked up plain and simple. Its funny how some people right away say he wasn't drunk, it was an error ...blah blah blah...he killed someone, had your mom been on the corner that night and gotten run over by him i'm sure you would feel that it was just an error........PUHHHLEASE.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

My thoughts exactly. These players may be celebrities to us, but not to the public at large. It's the difference between a Dany Heatley and a Michael Vick.

He may not have been recognized on the spot as a celeb but his Ferrari told the cops something.

He says he had 1 beer!! Good for him, betcha he had more. Just because he released a book that describes the events in his words does not make it all facts...(Don't beleive everything you read). Even police reports are fixed all the times, especially when its convinient for millionaires.

He should have been locked up plain and simple. Its funny how some people right away say he wasn't drunk, it was an error ...blah blah blah...he killed someone, had your mom been on the corner that night and gotten run over by him i'm sure you would feel that it was just an error........PUHHHLEASE.

I don't believe everything I read. And honestly I didn't even know he had written a book about the accident.

But I do read about things before I open my mouth, so I have some idea what I'm talking about.

I say Heatley wasn't drunk because he wasn't. His blood alcohol level was .015, nowhere near the legal limit of .08. Like about if you had one beer. That's been readily documented.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

He may not have been recognized on the spot as a celeb but his Ferrari told the cops something.

He says he had 1 beer!! Good for him, betcha he had more. Just because he released a book that describes the events in his words does not make it all facts...(Don't beleive everything you read). Even police reports are fixed all the times, especially when its convinient for millionaires.

He should have been locked up plain and simple. Its funny how some people right away say he wasn't drunk, it was an error ...blah blah blah...he killed someone, had your mom been on the corner that night and gotten run over by him i'm sure you would feel that it was just an error........PUHHHLEASE.

I don't believe everything I read. And honestly I didn't even know he had written a book about the accident.

But I do read about things before I open my mouth, so I have some idea what I'm talking about.

I say Heatley wasn't drunk because he wasn't. His blood alcohol level was .015, nowhere near the legal limit of .08. Like about if you had one beer. That's been readily documented.

Yeah really, .015 is around 1/2 to 3/4 of a friggin' beer. Alcohol was no factor.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

My thoughts exactly. These players may be celebrities to us, but not to the public at large. It's the difference between a Dany Heatley and a Michael Vick.

He may not have been recognized on the spot as a celeb but his Ferrari told the cops something.

He says he had 1 beer!! Good for him, betcha he had more. Just because he released a book that describes the events in his words does not make it all facts...(Don't beleive everything you read). Even police reports are fixed all the times, especially when its convinient for millionaires.

He should have been locked up plain and simple. Its funny how some people right away say he wasn't drunk, it was an error ...blah blah blah...he killed someone, had your mom been on the corner that night and gotten run over by him i'm sure you would feel that it was just an error........PUHHHLEASE.

Yeah cause Cops see a nice car and they immediately think, ' better let 'em off, they've got to be a celeb!' If they could have nabbed him from being under the influence they would have.

[imisssergei 0]

1) Not enough

2) Yes I can say alcohol was not a factor. He had virtually none in his system. For you to somehow imply he was drunk driving is patently false and ridiculous.

3) Celebrity? How many people in Atlanta do you think would recognize Heatley? Furthermore he pled guilty to four charges, on of which was a felony and was sentenced to 3 years probation. He avoided jail partly due to Snyder's family requesting leniency from the judge. The court also has to approve what car he buys and drives and he has to make 150 speeches about what he did.

He was a young kid that acted incredibly recklessly and stupidly, and ended up killing his friend and teammate. The legal system is satisfied, Snyder's family is satisfied. Get over it.

We were talking about his hockey related injury.

1) True, but I didn't start this deviation.

2) No, you can't. And no, I didn't imply he was drunk. Rather, I just made that point that alcohol was in his system, therefore it did have an effect on him. I never commented on the severity of the effect. It's black and white, either there is alcohol involved, or there wasn't. Whenever alcohol is involved, it is a factor.

3) Yes, he was a kid, he did make a horrible mistake. There is no doubt that his status helped him out. He may not have been a oft recognized celeb in Atlanta, but everyone knew who he was after it happened. He did plead guilty, but that was part of a plea bargain to drop the charge that carried the most weight, first-degree vehicular homicide as well as reckless driving. Also, don't think for one second that the Thrashers weren't pulling all sorts of strings for Dany. If he had been convicted, and sentenced to more than one year, he could have also been deported thus taking away his ability to play in the NHL.

The bottom line is that Heatley did not get what he deserved, and it pisses me off because people of lesser public stature get put away for lesser crimes. What he did should have been punished with jail time. It wasn't. He got off. He should be thanking his lucky stars every day.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

1) True, but I didn't start this deviation.

2) No, you can't. And no, I didn't imply he was drunk. Rather, I just made that point that alcohol was in his system, therefore it did have an effect on him. I never commented on the severity of the effect. It's black and white, either there is alcohol involved, or there wasn't. Whenever alcohol is involved, it is a factor.

3) Yes, he was a kid, he did make a horrible mistake. There is no doubt that his status helped him out. He may not have been a oft recognized celeb in Atlanta, but everyone knew who he was after it happened. He did plead guilty, but that was part of a plea bargain to drop the charge that carried the most weight, first-degree vehicular homicide as well as reckless driving. Also, don't think for one second that the Thrashers weren't pulling all sorts of strings for Dany. If he had been convicted, and sentenced to more than one year, he could have also been deported thus taking away his ability to play in the NHL.

The bottom line is that Heatley did not get what he deserved, and it pisses me off because people of lesser public stature get put away for lesser crimes. What he did should have been punished with jail time. It wasn't. He got off. He should be thanking his lucky stars every day.

1) but you're continuing it. As am I, which is why this will be my last post on this stupid subject.

2) Yes, I can. Alcohol was not a factor. You were implying he was drunk. .015 is nowhere near that. It was no more involved than an aspirin he might have taken, or maybe it was a cup of coffee having him all hopped on caffeine, or maybe it was a trace amount of opiates from a poppy seed muffin. You were implying he was somehow drunk. He was not.

3) So let's see, even though they can document the negligible amount of alcohol in his system, yet that means nothing to you, you can say without a doubt his status helped him out? That's b.s. What certainly helped him out was the parents of the victim asking the judge for leniency. you have no evidence that him being a "huge" hockey star in Atlanta (think about the contradiction of that sentence for a minute) helped in his sentencing.

This is obviously some weird issue you have that goes well beyond Heatley and his accident.

Now back to actualy hockey talk and his injury...

[imisssergei 0]

1) but you're continuing it. As am I, which is why this will be my last post on this stupid subject.

2) Yes, I can. Alcohol was not a factor. You were implying he was drunk. .015 is nowhere near that. It was no more involved than an aspirin he might have taken, or maybe it was a cup of coffee having him all hopped on caffeine, or maybe it was a trace amount of opiates from a poppy seed muffin. You were implying he was somehow drunk. He was not.

3) So let's see, even though they can document the negligible amount of alcohol in his system, yet that means nothing to you, you can say without a doubt his status helped him out? That's b.s. What certainly helped him out was the parents of the victim asking the judge for leniency. you have no evidence that him being a "huge" hockey star in Atlanta (think about the contradiction of that sentence for a minute) helped in his sentencing.

This is obviously some weird issue you have that goes well beyond Heatley and his accident.

Now back to actualy hockey talk and his injury...

I guess we will have to agree to disagree about the alcohol. However, I never implied that he was drunk. You cannot deny that alcohol was a factor in the accident as it was present in his system at the time of the accident. The only one who knows how much it effected the accident is Dany himself. However, studies have shown that reflexes are reduced with even one beer. If you don't believe me, look it up.

Yes, I can say without a doubt that his status did help him out. If for no other reason he had the benifit of the publicity that was brought to the hearings. And yes, the publicity is a good thing, just ask any defense lawyer. Show me where I said he was a huge hockey star in Atlanta. I never said that. I said he was a celeb. And that is true. I believe my exact words were something like 'people may not have known who he was at the time of the accident, but they certainly did after it happened.'

It has nothing to do with anything but this incident. Up until this incident, I didn't have much of an opinion about Heatley. Now, hell yes I do. He is a great hockey player. But he should have done time.

[Booster313 138]

Munkee is going to be pissed! He traded Crosby for Heatly in our fantasy league...LOL

[Matt 1,049]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree about the alcohol. However, I never implied that he was drunk. You cannot deny that alcohol was a factor in the accident as it was present in his system at the time of the accident. The only one who knows how much it effected the accident is Dany himself. However, studies have shown that reflexes are reduced with even one beer. If you don't believe me, look it up.

Looks like I should hand over the keys the next time I down a bit of 'Tussin when I get a bad cough.

Alas, those in glass houses...

Enough with the talk on Heatley's accident -- it's a non-issue for what this thread was intended. Anyone that makes any post regarding it can find themselves with a 7-day vacation.

[BeeRYCE 2]

So who will replace him in the all star game?

Malkin would probably be the unanimous choice, seeing as he deserves over maybe half the original roster.