Sat. Hotstove: Rob Blake to the Wings?

[rage 24]

I'd try really hard to get Danny Markov back for a playoff run before I would ever bring in Blake. There are just better options out there in my opinion.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

...ok, first off, I'd rather see Holland make an offer for Foote rather than Blake (as someone said on page 1, he doesn't bring much more offense than we already have.) So if it's a gritty, hard nosed (no pun intended) dman we can use, Foote would cost less and fill the role nicer...

...on this "rental player" issue. Why on Earth would someone want to come to Detroit and only stay for a couple of months? If Blake were to come here, win a Cup (hypothetically) and (we all know) the team pretty much stays the same next season, why on earth would he want to go back to the stinkhole team in LA? Someone said to help develope the youngsters? WHAT!?!?!? If you want to develope the yutes retire and become a coach. Re-sign here (if possible under the Cap) and win more Cups...

...I would pass on Blake and go for Feds and Foote (if that is what we need to win)

[Nev 1,085]

darcy tucker....tough guy that can score? team falling apart? wants to drink from cup?

I despise Tucker, but I have to say, he is exactly what we need up front. Only problem is his contract - 1st year of a 4 yr deal paying him what, $3M per year? Maybe if we can ship out Sammy and his $2M odd we would have the room for him.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

NO?? no intrest in Dustin Brown, any idea what i would take?

More drugs than I can get my hands on at the moment to believe that's even possible.

He's signed through 2014 at 3.5 million a year. I think LA probably wants to hang on to him.

[Grind_Lines_#1_Fan 0]

A few years ago, I wanted us to get him. It might have been when we got Hatcher? Now, forget about it. Could it happen? Most definetly, just not likely

[ben_usmc 253]

More drugs than I can get my hands on at the moment to believe that's even possible.

He's signed through 2014 at 3.5 million a year. I think LA probably wants to hang on to him.

Thanks, was curious why there was no intrest, it seems like LA got a nice deal on that one

Edited January 13, 2008 by ben_usmc

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Thanks, was curious why there was no intrest, it seems like LA got a nice deal on that one

Yeah. He's gonna be a big bargain for them in a few years.

[Grim 5]

I despise Tucker, but I have to say, he is exactly what we need up front. Only problem is his contract - 1st year of a 4 yr deal paying him what, $3M per year? Maybe if we can ship out Sammy and his $2M odd we would have the room for him.

Tucker is the last sort of guy we need... smallish guy who'd start stuff that absolutely no one on our roster could finish.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Seriously, are you retarded?

The Wings have 'enough' puck moving dmen? That's EXACTLY they kind of dmen that fit into the Wings system.

"blake or foote here and we'd be dynamite in the back end"

Blake is 38, and makes $6 per. Foote is 36, and making $4.6. Havelid is 34, and making $2.7.

Havelid brings everything to the table that either of those guys brings, while also being signed for next season which would help solidify the top 4 group. He also would fit better into the Wings puck possesion style of play. He is exactly the type of player the Wings need to round out the top 4 pairings.

am i retarded ?? watch your mouth kid ...... why the hell would we need MORE puck moving defencemen ?? what we need is someone who can pound guys in front of the net and be physical , havelid doesnt fit that description and you said hes got ONE more year on his deal thats why i said forget about him hes not worth 2.7 million , neither are blake or foote but there contract ends at the end of the year

havelid is not the kind of player we need in my opinion , and you can hate my opinions and disagree with me but im pretty sure holland wont trade for a player whos got more years on his deal past this season

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Blake as an addition is a terribe idea. Seriously. Grass is always greener on the other side, but theres a reason Kings fans have wanted Blake gone nearly since his return to LA. Hes terrible in nearly every aspect these days.

Personally, Id like to see Detroit add Commodore, buts hes practically their #1 guy on the Canes. They love him there and Carolina is far from out of it. And to top it off, Karmanos making Illitch's team better? Fat chance of that happening...

Personally, Id love to see the Isles tank. Up front, Satan, Comrie, or Hunter would be a big help. On the back end, Id love to have Witt even though hes signed for more than a year.

getting commodore is pretty much not gonna happen , i dont see carolina being out of the playoff race in 6 weeks

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I despise Tucker, but I have to say, he is exactly what we need up front. Only problem is his contract - 1st year of a 4 yr deal paying him what, $3M per year? Maybe if we can ship out Sammy and his $2M odd we would have the room for him.

Sammy and his $2M odd? Try $1.2M. Sammys only problem is that peoples expectations of him are too high. Hes provides exactly what youd expect from a sub 1.5 million dollar player. Sometimes more. And Im not even a fan.

Tuckers contract is an albatross, and hes only had one season to warrant that contract, which is Torontos specialty - ignoring the typical play of a player, and then paying for a career year apparently without knowing how to negotiate much.

If he can get healthy again, Id take a chance on landing Torres. Hes actually capable of 20 goals year to year if hes healthy while brining a devestatingly physical game..

[Guest wingswillwincup]

What is it with people on these boards that always want to get has beens? Blake is washed up. We don't need him. He was great 5 years ago. Not anymore. And while we're at it, no Foppa, Feds, Bert or any other washed up guys.

You want guys just because they are big? You're kidding right?

larry murphy was also old and washed up when we got him among others but they fit in nicely here , you cant compare blake's situation and detroit's , he would be alot better here then l.a and hes got the talent , sure hes older doesnt mean he cant still be a good player for a cup run

[Guest wingswillwincup]

I'd try really hard to get Danny Markov back for a playoff run before I would ever bring in Blake. There are just better options out there in my opinion.

hes in russia i doubt he'd be back , but id welcome him back if it were possible

[MUDSHARK 0]

Blake isn't the answer, people. Just bring up the kids for the end of the year and the playoffs, and let em play. I want to see Meech, Quincy, and Ericsson get some serious looks before we start giving away picks and prospects again.

And while a tough, scoring winger would be nice, it ain't gonna happen. I'd settle for a tough winger who is sound defensively. Drake, Downey, and Kopy are serviceable, but I'd rather see somebody like Mac circa 1997-98. s***, I'd take Mac circa 2002!!!

But I don't see any drastic changes to the roster we got now.

OTOH, and it's just my two cents, I wouldn't be too upset to see a few players as trade bait. Kopy for one, Lebda for two. I would hang on to Lilja before Lebda- at least Lilja is big, and mean (for a Swede), while Meech is essentially a Lebda clone with better offensive upside. Lebda has good skating ability but his offensive abilities are overrated and he is every bit the defensive liability Lilja is, IMO. So trade Lebs and let Meech earn his lumps the last few months of the regular season. Kopy just doesnt seem to have the fire for playing competitively night-in night-out, and is pretty easily replaced by either an off-season signing or a draft pick. Trade him before he's worthless and give Ellis his minutes- that guy's a workhorse...

In all, though, I like our current roster's chances in the postseason either way.

Edited January 13, 2008 by MUDSHARK

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Blake isn't the answer, people. Just bring up the kids for the end of the year and the playoffs, and let em play. I want to see Meech, Quincy, and Ericsson get some serious looks before we start giving away picks and prospects again.

And while a tough, scoring winger would be nice, it ain't gonna happen. I'd settle for a tough winger who is sound defensively. Drake, Downey, and Kopy are serviceable, but I'd rather see somebody like Mac circa 1997-98. s***, I'd take Mac circa 2002!!!

But I don't see any drastic changes to the roster we got now.

OTOH, and it's just my two cents, I wouldn't be too upset to see a few players as trade bait. Kopy for one, Lebda for two. I would hang on to Lilja before Lebda- at least Lilja is big, and mean (for a Swede), while Meech is essentially a Lebda clone with better offensive upside. Lebda has good skating ability but his offensive abilities are overrated and he is every bit the defensive liability Lilja is, IMO. So trade Lebs and let Meech earn his lumps the last few months of the regular season. Kopy just doesnt seem to have the fire for playing competitively night-in night-out, and is pretty easily replaced by either an off-season signing or a draft pick. Trade him before he's worthless and give Ellis his minutes- that guy's a workhorse...

In all, though, I like our current roster's chances in the postseason either way.

...I would definately trade Kopecky, but I would trade Meech before Lebda. Right now Lebda is better than Meech and in a couple of years neither of them will be on the team (maybe in a 7th position) with Kindl ready to come up. Chelios will play all long as he wants to and there will always be a position on this team for him. The problem with giving Ellis the minute is that the person you are trading for is going to need the minutes, unless you package Kopecky and someone else together...

...I think Feds and Foote or Blake and Sudin will do. But that would cost more than Kopecky, you'd have to give away Hudler and a prospect as well along with a d-man to make room for Blake or Foote...

[isbister 0]

He's another big shot at the point on the power play and shoots right at that. I think its a nice pick up if we dont give up too much.

[akustyk 84]

OTOH, and it's just my two cents, I wouldn't be too upset to see a few players as trade bait. Kopy for one, Lebda for two. I would hang on to Lilja before Lebda- at least Lilja is big, and mean (for a Swede), while Meech is essentially a Lebda clone with better offensive upside. Lebda has good skating ability but his offensive abilities are overrated and he is every bit the defensive liability Lilja is, IMO.

tough call. I liked Lilja much more than Lebda in playoffs. but Lebda is still a young d-man

and he has yet to reach his full potential. that might be worth keeping him rather than

trade for playoff rental.

I'd love Holland to grab some gritty second-liner to help scoring but with playoff rentals

prices being such inflated Wings may not be able to afford one simple like that.

Holland might chew on some overpriced once-been like Samsonov if he feels it's worth

a roster spot. such guy would not demand big return value and will only cost us

money and not picks/prospects which is not the problem. and that might actually prove

to be a good solution.

Edited January 14, 2008 by akustyk

[YoungGuns1340 1]

getting commodore is pretty much not gonna happen , i dont see carolina being out of the playoff race in 6 weeks

Which is probably why I was responding to somebody elses comment about Commodore, and proceeded to say the same thing you did...

And for whoever said we should trade Lebda, thats a terrible idea. The guy is solid and can skate in anybodys league. His speed alone can make up for a lot of goals. Hes exactly the type of guy that gives your depth strength, and your checkbook some space. No way to sending off Lebda unless its for a dominant piece a la Hossa or Sundin...

[YoungGuns1340 1]

tough call. I liked Lilja much more than Lebda in playoffs. but Lebda is still a young d-man

and he has yet to reach his full potential. that might be worth keeping him rather than

trade for playoff rental.

I'd love Holland to grab some gritty second-liner to help scoring but with playoff rentals

prices being such inflated Wings may not be able to afford one simple like that.

Holland might chew on some overpriced once-been like Samsonov if he feels it's worth

a roster spot. such guy would not demand big return value and will only cost us

money and not picks/prospects which is not the problem. and that might actually prove

to be a good solution.

People have such short memories. By Lebda, Holland, and Babcocks own admission, had it not been the playoffs, Lebda wouldnt have been playing on that gimpy ankle of his from the Langkow collision...

..and whoever said Meech is better than Lebda is seriously on crack. If that were the case, Meech would be #5, not #7

[Feldmarschall 9]

Couple of points here.

First, the Witt idea is not likely. Recall that he picked up Washington a first-rounder, straight up, when he went to Nashville. Throwing a low-end prospect and a third won't get him considering that he's played better since the trade than he did before it.

Second, Lebda is a much better defenseman than Meech is likely to become. He's faster, his mental game is loads better, and he does his job effectively night in and night out. There are nights that Lebda is invisible, and that's just what a good bottom-pairing defenseman should do - make no glaring mistakes while taking care of business in his own zone. Meech was on our roster and will continue to be as a number 7 guy, the team practices with him constantly and they know his skill level. There's a reason he's not in the rotation. They're hoping he'll bloom, which is why he hasn't been waived, but the org hasn't got faith in him as an NHL player yet. Quincey is better prepared. There's a reason that Lebda is locked up for the long haul - he's useful. Don't anticipate him going anywhere.

[2probert4 8]

No Point. Why get an aging D-man, besides, Lidstrom, Rafalski and Kronwall are getting lots of icetime, which means he won't be getting the same icetime in Detroit as in LA, or others suffer. It's just a matter of time until this guy throws his skates away. I'm not saying he's bad, but I'm not into this. If he's cheap and we don't throw in Kindl, Pyatt, Larsson, Axelsson or similar, then it's fine by me, otherwise we wouldn't need him. I wouldn't mess up a team that tops the league. And the Ducks suck this year..

Ducks are getting everyone back and adding more to their team....All they have to do is get into the 8th spot or better. I wouldn't want to play them in the early rounds.

[2probert4 8]

getting commodore is pretty much not gonna happen , i dont see carolina being out of the playoff race in 6 weeks

If im not mistaken, the owner of Carolina and Illitch don't exactly like each other.......

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Ducks are getting everyone back and adding more to their team....All they have to do is get into the 8th spot or better. I wouldn't want to play them in the early rounds.

The Ducks are rolling since Neidermayer's return, and are just two points behind SJ after tonight's win i believe. Funny how a team that sucks and is of no concern to so many here may very well end up with the 2 seed.

[Sleight 0]

No no no no. I would have been all for getting Rob Blake if this was 2003 or 2004, but at this point in his career he would most likely be another one and done rental. Don't get me wrong, I am all for doing what it takes to win the cup, but I would hate to see the Wings give up another 1st rounder or anymore prospects.

You can see the division getting better, and the other teams are younger and continue to get faster and better. The Wings may be way ahead this season, but you have to think about the future as well. So there two schools of thought are either do what it takes to win this season and worry about the future later. Or continue with the same team that has been atop the league for most of the season and hang-on to the picks and prospects.

[ruarc' 2]

if the guy brings this, and EXACTLY this (Nov. 2007 clip by the way)... then i'm down with blake in motown. however, la's asking price must also be reasonable.

i hate seeing guys get hurt, but when that guy's corey perry it makes it a little easier. jp