Deadline - wish lists, hunches, speculation

[stevkrause 1,247]

Jarret Stoll from Edmonton for Emmerton and '08 2nd round pick and '09 2nd and 4th rd pick if he resigns long term

Detroit gets:

Stoll - A 25 year old, gritty, potential 30 goal scoring right handed winger with tons of upside and speed - RFA after this season

Edmonton gets:

Emmerton - a potential 2nd liner with great hands, good size and a lot of speed, one of Detroit's top 5 prospects

2 picks to rebuild

Reason for both parties to make the move:

Edmonton could lose Stoll to an offer sheet, or lose him for nothing depending on what he gets, he could definitely benefit from a change of scenery and it is definite rebuilding in Edmonton, they get essentially 3 for 1... or none.

Detroit could use a high flying right handed shot with a soft touch and potential 30 goal a year ability

NEXT

Brad Stuart from Los Angeles for Derek Meech, Mikael Samuelsson (a guy can hope), '08 1st rd pick and 09' 2nd round pick, and a '09 1st and 3rd and '10 2nd rd pick if he resigns

Detroit gets:

Stuart - A nasty, hard hitting top 4 D-Man that moves well and has a mean streak and a heavy shot from the point

Los Angeles gets:

Meech - a young D-man with a lot of upside and quickness that could benefit from not being in such a high expectation environment and would probably flourish in this vein...

Samuelsson - a right handed power play specialist to add to a depleated RW system in LA, not a ton of upside, but could do well to get out of an environment where more is expected of him than he can simply do

a BOAT load of high asset picks in the event he resigns and at least 2 other picks if he does not

Reason for both parties to make the move:

Los Angeles could lose Stuart for nothing in the summer as he is an UFA - They are out of playoff contention and could use some payout towards rebuilding younger for the future around Jack Johnson and Detroit could use a nasty d-man that will make opponents accountable

Filpulla-Zetterberg-Holmstrom

Cleary(once healthy)-Datsyuk-Stoll

Maltby-Draper-Drake/Downey/McCarty?

Kopecky-Franzen-Hudler

Lidstom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Chelios-Lilja

Hasek

Osgood

[rick zombo 3,739]

Brad Stuart from Los Angeles for Derek Meech, Mikael Samuelsson (a guy can hope), '08 1st rd pick and 09' 2nd round pick, and a '09 1st and 3rd and '10 2nd rd pick if he resigns

Talk about overpayment for Stuart.

If he resigns LA get:

2 first round picks

2 2nd round picks

1 third round pick.

In a perfect world (and a much more realistic one):

Detroit gets Stuart

LA get Sammuelson, and a 2nd round pick. That's it.

edit to add:

The package you proposed would almost land Hossa.

Edited February 18, 2008 by rick zombo

[stevkrause 1,247]

Talk about overpayment for Stuart.

If he resigns LA get:

2 first round picks

2 2nd round picks

1 third round pick.

In a perfect world (and a much more realistic one):

Detroit gets Stuart

LA get Sammuelson, and a 2nd round pick. That's it.

lets be honest, you have to pay to get someone, they're not going to give him away for nothing and thats what Sammy and a 2nd would be, nothing...

[cboth686 0]

Pretty much, it's hard not to argue that the wings need a move before this years deadline. As predicted, Ozzie's stats are coming back down to earth, and Dom's "stained glass" groin/hip flexor/back isn't holding up.

Not saying Detroit should get a new goalie, (cuz they won't be able to move either) but they definately need a toughman on D to enforce, or are gonna have to land a star forward. As much as I love datstuk and hank, they can't be the entire offence for detroit. Holmstrom chips in as much as he can, but to be honest, I don't feel like detroit can score when that line is off the ice.

[rick zombo 3,739]

lets be honest, you have to pay to get someone, they're not going to give him away for nothing and thats what Sammy and a 2nd would be, nothing...

I think you are seriously under-estimating the importance of draft picks in today's NHL. Your trade proposal was ridiculous. My trade proposal was maybe selling LA short a touch, but much closer to reality.

[russianswede919293 95]

Detroit Gets:

Sergei Fedorov

Columbus gets:

Derek Meech, Conditional Pick(could be a first based on production and more based on if he re-signs), another prospect

Detroit Gets:

Branislav Mezei

Florida Gets:

2nd round pick

Roster spot made by moving Cleary to the IR

Adding one move:

Sign McCarty, Waive Downey

Edited to Add McCarty and clarify how Mezei would fit in the roster space.

Edited February 18, 2008 by russianswede919293

[rick zombo 3,739]

Yes, they could sell the farm for Hossa.

Or they could simply get healthy.

[BlakChamber 8]

In a perfect world?

Sammy for Crosby and Hudler for Ovechkin.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Sammy and Kopecky for Brashear and Erskine.

Washington gets:

An idiot who will take away all of Ovechkin's scoring chances and will constantly turn the puck over at the blueline, plus another idiot who skates in circles and doesn't know how to use his size.

Detroit gets:

A 5th or 6h defenseman who's big and physical and can drop the gloves when need be and is used to playing minutes, plus one of the best fighters in the league who can also put up points and has grit down low with the puck.

[sinbin 3]

Someone find the Kryptonite & throw it away!

[Echolalia 2,961]

Prospal for Sammy and a prospect

Hossa for a helluva lot, including but not limited to Franzen, Hudler, Lilja, draft picks and/or prospects.

Then bring up Quincey for a full-time role.

[cboth686 0]

Problem is, Hasek healthy isn't necessarily a good thing. For the majority of the season Hasek has been inconsistent. In fact the only consistent thing he has done is play worse than osgood. Kronwall coming back will help for sure, agreed.

I didn't say Hossa either. Even if detroit can land a strong 2nd line center or winger, it would be a big boost.

If we dont make a deal, it'll be a toss up for the west. If Kenny believe's we're perfect through and through, he's on a pipe dream!

The best way to become better is to adress your own weaknesses. If we do, we'll roll through the west!

[russianswede919293 95]

Prospal for Sammy and a prospect

Hossa for a helluva lot, including but not limited to Franzen, Hudler, Lilja, draft picks and/or prospects.

Then bring up Quincey for a full-time role.

High price to pay for a guy that will NOT be re-signed by the team after the year...

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Really? In a perfect world your additions would be Stuart and Stoll? If were talking a perfect world, then the Wings add Phaneuf, Weber, Ovechkin and Iginla at the deadline...and theyd have enough cap space to do it too in a perfect world. But thats just me.

And, I think calling Stuart a "nasty, hard hitting Dman" is overrating him jussst a tad, even though he'd be my number 1 choice now as well.

So. Here are my moves:

To Det: Brad Stuart

To LA: Derek Meech or Kyle Quincey, 2nd round pick in 08

-------------------------------------

To Det: Chris Gratton

To TB: Mikael Samuelsson

To ATL: Jiri Hudler or Valterri Filppula, Jakub Kindl, 1st round in 08, 3rd round in 08, conditional 1st rounder in 09 if Hossa re-signs

To Det: Marian Hossa

OR

To Det: Martin Lapointe

To CHI: 4th rounder in 09

To TB: Jiri Hudler, 2nd rounder in 09

To Det: Vaclav Prospal

[stevkrause 1,247]

I think you are seriously under-estimating the importance of draft picks in today's NHL. Your trade proposal was ridiculous. My trade proposal was maybe selling LA short a touch, but much closer to reality.

lets just agree to disagree, I think draft picks are INCREDIBLY valuable - that is why they would play such an intrigal part of a trade, because the other side is getting a LOT of potential... with that being said, that's all it is POTENTIAL

the Wings have made their splashes in later rounds and we're lucky our farm is so deep that we can afford to develop players, also, with ALL of that in mind... look at what's in our system right now - These guys are ALL going to be NHL ready in 3 or less years, some as soon as next year, which makes the need to hoard all these draft picks even less... there are only so many spots on a team and when they're filled, the other guys get lost in the shuffle...

With how AMAZING they've done at drafting in the last 5 to 6 years and with all the depth we have, any guys coming out of the next 2 drafts aren't going to see much playing time here for at least 5 years anyways... we're playing for a cup NOW - and we're not selling the farm by doing this - We have Ericsson, Kindl, Smith and Quincey on the back end that are all NHLers, up front, Helm, Abdelkader, Ryno, Mursak, Axelsson, Anderson, etc, etc, etc...

Also, I think yo are GROSSLY undervaluing Stuart - he is a top 4 dman with a mean streak... those don't fall in teams laps

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Here we go in a perfect world there is no salary cap and the Wings buy who they need but reality sets in damm Betman

Det; Sammy,Huds, Kopie, Meech and 2nd rd pick

for

Columbus;Hossa, Feds and Foote

Detroit brings Hartigan and Mac

[CAredwingsfan91 28]

my perfect world....

to DET - Kane and Towes

to CHI - PUCK HOG

to DET - Ovechkin

to WSH - Huds

to DET - Phaneuf

to CAL - Meech

to DET - Cogliano and Ganger

to EDM - Maltby and 2 prospects

to DET - Brian Campbell

to BUF - 2 1st round picks if he signs long term

my perfect world right? if we could manage under the cap with those types of trades and keep those players long term I would start getting younger well actually this is kind of my team in EA NHL 08

OH IF ONLY it were that easy

Edited February 18, 2008 by CAredwingsfan91

[Echolalia 2,961]

High price to pay for a guy that will NOT be re-signed by the team after the year...

spend big to win big, I suppose

[dallas27 7]

High price to pay for a guy that will NOT be re-signed by the team after the year...

It's been said numerous times that a long-term deal with Hossa would be part of the deal

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I don't even have a deadline comment, I'm just ecstatic that the threads have been merged.

Wahoo!

[HenryMalredo 2]

Also, I think yo are GROSSLY undervaluing Stuart - he is a top 4 dman with a mean streak... those don't fall in teams laps

He's not a top pairing guy, he's average defensively, and is incredibly inconsistent.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

My DREAM MOVES

Dream Scenario One

To Tampa: Hudler, Meech 2nd

To Detroit: Prospal and Gratton

To Toronto: Kronwall and a 2nd

To Detroit: Thomas Kaberle ( I love Kronwall but Kaberle is a top 15 dman in the leauge now)

To Montreal: Sammy and a third

To Detroit Michael Ryder

Sign D-mac

Setup One

Z-D-H

Ryder-Filp-Prospal

Cleary-Gratton-Franzen

Malts-Drapes- D-mac or drake

Or

Prospal-Datsyuk-Ryder

Holmstrom-Z-Cleary

Gratton-Filp-Franzen

same 4th

Lidstrom- Rafalski

Kaberle- Lillypads

Lebda Chelios

Dream Scenario 2

Replace Ryder with Satan in the above scenario and instead of moving kronwall for kaberle, send lebda for malik

Edited February 18, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[russianswede919293 95]

It's been said numerous times that a long-term deal with Hossa would be part of the deal

Yeah but what I am saying is the Wings can't afford him anyways.

Lidstrom-7.45 Million

Raflaski-6 million

Datsyuk-6.7 million

Lets assume Z re-signs for 7 million

Then Hossa added at 8 million I think he is looking for:

$35.15 million dollars for 5 players. Lets assume over the next 2 years, when Z's new contract woul be in affect, and the last year of Lids contract, the cap is up to 55-57 million dollars (what it seems to be headed to based on the 3-5 up as this years expectations)

That leaves 20-22 million to sign another 17 players....That means an average of 1.17-1.29 million per player on roster....

There is NO way that the Wings can put forth a good team in that scenario, considering Ozzie has 2 million Kronner has 3 million, and Cleary and Filpulla will get raises to about 3 million each by that time....the rest of the roster would be complete and utter crap and it is just not feasable to bring in Hossa in my opinion

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Yeah but what I am saying is the Wings can't afford him anyways.

Lidstrom-7.45 Million

Raflaski-6 million

Datsyuk-6.7 million

Lets assume Z re-signs for 7 million

Then Hossa added at 8 million I think he is looking for:

$35.15 million dollars for 5 players. Lets assume over the next 2 years, when Z's new contract woul be in affect, and the last year of Lids contract, the cap is up to 55-57 million dollars (what it seems to be headed to based on the 3-5 up as this years expectations)

That leaves 20-22 million to sign another 17 players....That means an average of 1.17-1.29 million per player on roster....

There is NO way that the Wings can put forth a good team in that scenario, considering Ozzie has 2 million Kronner has 3 million, and Cleary and Filpulla will get raises to about 3 million each by that time....the rest of the roster would be complete and utter crap and it is just not feasable to bring in Hossa in my opinion

I can c both Z and Cleary taking discounts. Z for 6.25 maybe and Cleary for 2 million. Also FIllpula will be nowhere close to 3 million. Try 1.45 MAX. I would be all for letting either one or both go. Hossa is that good. Draper will also be at a discounted price after his contract runs up. Factor in Fabian Brunstrom as a 2nd line talent at an entry level deal and we could pull that off.

[dallas27 7]

I can c both Z and Cleary taking discounts. Z for 6.25 maybe and Cleary for 2 million. Also FIllpula will be nowhere close to 3 million. Try 1.45 MAX. I would be all for letting either one or both go. Hossa is that good. Draper will also be at a discounted price after his contract runs up. Factor in Fabian Brunstrom as a 2nd line talent at an entry level deal and we could pull that off.

That's assuming that Cleary is even here