Deadline - wish lists, hunches, speculation

[Wingfan191 2]

Jarret Stoll from Edmonton for Emmerton and '08 2nd round pick and '09 2nd and 4th rd pick if he resigns long term

Detroit gets:

Stoll - A 25 year old, gritty, potential 30 goal scoring right handed winger with tons of upside and speed - RFA after this season

Edmonton gets:

Emmerton - a potential 2nd liner with great hands, good size and a lot of speed, one of Detroit's top 5 prospects

2 picks to rebuild

Reason for both parties to make the move:

Edmonton could lose Stoll to an offer sheet, or lose him for nothing depending on what he gets, he could definitely benefit from a change of scenery and it is definite rebuilding in Edmonton, they get essentially 3 for 1... or none.

Detroit could use a high flying right handed shot with a soft touch and potential 30 goal a year ability

NEXT

Brad Stuart from Los Angeles for Derek Meech, Mikael Samuelsson (a guy can hope), '08 1st rd pick and 09' 2nd round pick, and a '09 1st and 3rd and '10 2nd rd pick if he resigns

Detroit gets:

Stuart - A nasty, hard hitting top 4 D-Man that moves well and has a mean streak and a heavy shot from the point

Los Angeles gets:

Meech - a young D-man with a lot of upside and quickness that could benefit from not being in such a high expectation environment and would probably flourish in this vein...

Samuelsson - a right handed power play specialist to add to a depleated RW system in LA, not a ton of upside, but could do well to get out of an environment where more is expected of him than he can simply do

a BOAT load of high asset picks in the event he resigns and at least 2 other picks if he does not

Reason for both parties to make the move:

Los Angeles could lose Stuart for nothing in the summer as he is an UFA - They are out of playoff contention and could use some payout towards rebuilding younger for the future around Jack Johnson and Detroit could use a nasty d-man that will make opponents accountable

Filpulla-Zetterberg-Holmstrom

Cleary(once healthy)-Datsyuk-Stoll

Maltby-Draper-Drake/Downey/McCarty?

Kopecky-Franzen-Hudler

Lidstom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Chelios-Lilja

Hasek

Osgood

This quote from Billy Madison sums it up perfectly...

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Wingfan191

[stevkrause 1,247]

Never, ever, ever, make another trade purposal on this message board again. Those are 2 of the worst trade ideas I have ever seen in my life. The fact that you have no idea what you're talking about and have no sense of value boggles the mind.

the fact that you have no idea on trade value, or that it actually COSTS something to GET something just proves that you don't understand the concept... did I maybe go a little expensive on Stuart? maybe, but I'm not Kenny - regardless, when the day is done, NO one on this board is a GM and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one - and some are bigger than others... as you just proved.

[Wingfan191 2]

the fact that you have no idea on trade value, or that it actually COSTS something to GET something just proves that you don't understand the concept... did I maybe go a little expensive on Stuart? maybe, but I'm not Kenny - regardless, when the day is done, NO one on this board is a GM and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one - and some are bigger than others... as you just proved.

I'm not the one who wants to give up 5 ******* draft picks (1st and 2nd rounders at that) and 2 rostered players for a defensemen who's NEVER reached his potential and has underachieved everywhere he's been. Yet I'M the one who doesn't know about value???? What you proposed would be to land someone like Kaberle, a top 2 D-Man, not someone to pair up with Kronwall or Lilja. Yeah I know it costs something to get something, but you don't give up our future for 3 years to get a f'n defenseman who's done nothing of significance in his career. I think YOU'RE the one who needs to reassess your logic.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Wingfan191

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

Really? In a perfect world your additions would be Stuart and Stoll? If were talking a perfect world, then the Wings add Phaneuf, Weber, Ovechkin and Iginla at the deadline...and theyd have enough cap space to do it too in a perfect world. But thats just me.

And, I think calling Stuart a "nasty, hard hitting Dman" is overrating him jussst a tad, even though he'd be my number 1 choice now as well.

So. Here are my moves:

To Det: Brad Stuart

To LA: Derek Meech or Kyle Quincey, 2nd round pick in 08

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To Det: Chris Gratton

To TB: Mikael Samuelsson

To ATL: Jiri Hudler or Valterri Filppula, Jakub Kindl, 1st round in 08, 3rd round in 08, conditional 1st rounder in 09 if Hossa re-signs

To Det: Marian Hossa

OR

To Det: Martin Lapointe

To CHI: 4th rounder in 09

To TB: Jiri Hudler, 2nd rounder in 09

To Det: Vaclav Prospal

SOLD!!! I would be hesitant to trade away ALL of our defense prospects (except Ericsson & Abrakadabra) though. But, throw in Sergei for Corazzini/Helm and a pick and I'm sold on the whole deal.

[stevkrause 1,247]

I'm not the one who wants to give up 5 ******* draft picks (1st and 2nd rounders at that) and 2 rostered players for a defensemen who's NEVER reached his potential and has underachieved everywhere he's been. Yet I'M the one who doesn't know about value???? What you proposed would be to land someone like Kaberle, a top 2 D-Man, not someone to pair up with Kronwall or Lilja. Yeah I know it costs something to get something, but you don't give up our future for 3 years to get a f'n defenseman who's done nothing of significance in his career. I think YOU'RE the one who needs to re-access your logic.

yet again, maybe too expensive on the picks side, but Meech has no spot here and if we brought in Stoll, sending Sammy out would be to make way - it's really not cutting any roster players in that aspect... I can agree that that is awfully hefty in terms of picks and maybe it should be scaled down, but he still isn't going to come for nothing - and as far as need, Stuart fits here MUCH better than Kaberle...

[Wingfan191 2]

yet again, maybe too expensive on the picks side, but Meech has no spot here and if we brought in Stoll, sending Sammy out would be to make way - it's really not cutting any roster players in that aspect... I can agree that that is awfully hefty in terms of picks and maybe it should be scaled down, but he still isn't going to come for nothing - and as far as need, Stuart fits here MUCH better than Kaberle...

I'm more in line to give up what you suggest for Stoll, but I still think it's too much in terms of the picks. Same with Stuart, I was just using Kaberle as an example. I wouldn't mind having both (Stoll/Stuart), and I honestly think we'll be getting Stuart before the deadline is up, but just not at what you purposed.

[Packer487 3]

My DREAM MOVES

Dream Scenario One

To Tampa: Hudler, Meech 2nd

To Detroit: Prospal and Gratton

I really like the idea of Prospal. I don't think Gratton is anything great, plus he'd fall under the "no player can play for the Wings and Avs and be remotely useful" corollary. But I could live with him too. I don't think the proposed trade gets it done, but at least you don't have us giving up 14 draft picks in the deal.

If the Habs are looking to give Ryder away, I'd take him in a second even though he hasn't done anything this year.

BTW, your sig could use some updating. At least 2 of those things have flipped...

Random thought out of me that has nothing to do with the quoted post: When the window is open, you have to take a shot. I'd much rather mortgage the future somewhat and give ourselves a better chance to win now. There's no "can't miss" prospect in this organization (even Kindl has been far and away the worst player on GR in terms of +/-). I realize that in the new NHL players on rookie contracts are important, but I have a really hard time believing that Justin Abdelkader isn't replaceable. Especially since the Wings are apparently the best drafting team evar! Howard is probably the only prospect that I wouldn't be willing to trade. Not that I'd get crazy and move all of them or anything, but losing a Kindl, an Emmerton, it's really not going to set this organization back years. Especially if you get a guy in the deal that you can keep. Anything that significantly increases our chance of winning the Cup this year, I'm all for it. Meaning the above doesn't apply to getting Brad Stuart.

Problem is, Hasek healthy isn't necessarily a good thing. For the majority of the season Hasek has been inconsistent. In fact the only consistent thing he has done is play worse than osgood.

Not to turn this into a goalie thread, but that is absolutely false. October and November, Osgood was clearly better. For most of December, Hasek was better but both were playing pretty darn well. Christmas til now, Hasek has been clearly better--and by about the same margin that Osgood was better at the start of the year.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Packer487

[stevkrause 1,247]

I'm more in line to give up what you suggest for Stoll, but I still think it's too much in terms of the picks. Same with Stuart, I was just using Kaberle as an example. I wouldn't mind having both (Stoll/Stuart), and I honestly think we'll be getting Stuart before the deadline is up, but just not at what you purposed.

I was trying not to undersell as we can all be guilty of doing on here and probably proposed too much of a return in an effort to do so... I would just love to see those 2 on the team come deadline...

[MacK_Attack 108]

Leafs & Flyers talking "intensely" about Tomas Kaberle

[dallas27 7]

Especially since the Wings are apparently the best drafting team evar! Howard is probably the only prospect that I wouldn't be willing to trade.

I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that they got Z and Dats so far in the draft. Granted it's only one game but what Howard showed there is no way you get rid of him.

Not to turn this into a goalie thread, but that is absolutely false. October and November, Osgood was clearly better. For most of December, Hasek was better but both were playing pretty darn well. Christmas til now, Hasek has been clearly better--and by about the same margin that Osgood was better at the start of the year.

Hasek also has had the luxury of not playing during this play like s*** streak, 5 out of the 6 games NO goalie could turn any of those games around. You can go as far as saying you can look up the definition of hanging a goalie out to dry and those 5 games would be in there. But it's clear Osgood has not looked the same since the All-Star break.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Leafs & Flyers talking "intensely" about Tomas Kaberle

"If I wanted to move I would have signed somewhere else," said Kaberle. "I like playing in Toronto. I like the pressure. I just want to be part of the team."

There's no chance in hell he waives. I know he could be just saying that for the media's sake, but he seems one of the few who seem sincere. Just my opinion. I will absolutely laugh when the trade deadline passes and the leafs still have Sundin, McCabe and the other guys with no-trade clauses. Personally I would keep Kaberle....unless they're offering Carter a first and a top prospect. Then cash in.

[MacK_Attack 108]

There's no chance in hell he waives. I know he could be just saying that for the media's sake, but he seems one of the few who seem sincere. Just my opinion. I will absolutely laugh when the trade deadline passes and the leafs still have Sundin, McCabe and the other guys with no-trade clauses. Personally I would keep Kaberle....unless they're offering Carter a first and a top prospect. Then cash in.

Here's the thing, Kaberle's NTC becomes null & void on July 1st. At that time, he can be traded anywhere the Leafs want.

From now until next Tuesday, Kaberle controls his destiny. It might be wise for him to waive it now for a team that he actually wants to play for.

[Kingston 21]

To: Detroit : Feds And Foote

To Blue Jackets: Sammy , Meech and 5th round pick for 2008 and 4round pick in 2009

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

yet again, maybe too expensive on the picks side, but Meech has no spot here and if we brought in Stoll, sending Sammy out would be to make way - it's really not cutting any roster players in that aspect... I can agree that that is awfully hefty in terms of picks and maybe it should be scaled down, but he still isn't going to come for nothing - and as far as need, Stuart fits here MUCH better than Kaberle...

I'd love to have Stuart but I don't think he's worth more than a 2nd round pick and a 2nd tier prospect. Definitely no first rounder and no Kindl or Howard. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody nabbed Stuart for 1 or 2 prospects and a 3rd round pick.

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

To: Detroit : Feds And Foote

To Blue Jackets: Sammy , Meech and 5th round pick for 2008 and 4round pick in 2009

That'll be the day.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

New Options from MLive: Satan and Modry, along with Stuart, Feds, Sundin, and Prospal. Out: Blake and Hossa (long-term)

The Los AngelesTimes reports that Kings defenseman Rob Blake has told the club he doesn't wish to waive his no-trade clause and wants to remain where he's at after next Tuesday's trade deadline.

Not a big surprise, since it was assumed all along that even if Blake wanted to move to a contender he'd re-sign with L.A. in the summer. With his size and shot from the point, he'd have been a good fit on the Wings' second pairing and the second power-play unit. But I'm sure they wouldn't have given up much for a rental anyway.

Two of Blake's teammates, defensemen Brad Stuart and Jaroslav Modry, figure to be moved and the Wings, who've been scouting that Kings undoubedly have some interest in at least one of them. Again, the question is, how much do you give up for a player you might only have for the rest of this season?

The Kings are drawing a lot of attention from scouts because they're the one team that is absolutely out of the playoff picture and will definitely be selling. Tampa Bay, Toronto, Edmonton, the Islanders and Chicago could join them in the next week. But there's still a lot of teams battling for playoff spots, clubs like Columbus, St. Louis and Phoenix can't just throw in the towel with 5-6 weeks left in the season if they're within striking range. That's going to cut down on the number of sellers and jack up the price for those players who are available.

Bottom line: As much as the Wings don't want to relinquish decent prospects or high picks, they might have to reconsider if they want to bolster their roster.

I think they can get away without adding a top-four defenseman (but they really need a depth guy, a No. 5 or 6), but it's clear they need help on that second line (ideally, a goal-scoring winger) because you don't know how effective Dan Cleary is going to be and how long it will take him to get into a groove once he comes back from his broken jaw.

The Isles' Miroslav Satan, Tampa Bay's Vaclav Prospal, Columbus' Sergei Fedorov are some of the second-tier players expected to be availabe unless their clubs win a few games this week.

As far as the big names, I wouldn't completely rule out Mats Sundin, but I get the feeling he's going to stay in Toronto. If he agrees to be moved, it would help the Wings' chances if Sundin tells Toronto he will only go to Detroit and another team, thereby lowering the asking price because there wouldn't be multiple teams bidding for him.

Atlanta is expected to move Marian Hossa, but in return the Thrashers want someone who will help them immediately, which probably rules out the Wings. Plus, as far as I can tell, the Wings, because of Henrik Zetterberg's next contract, don't have the future cap space (2009-10 and beyond) to sign Hossa long-term, making him an expense rental.

I'd be surprised if the Rangers move Jaromir Jagr when they're right in the playoff mix.

One more thing, a TSN report that Peter Forsberg isn't going to play this season is a good news-bad news thing for the Wings. The good news is that they won't have to face him in the playoffs (Colorado and possibly Minnesota were mentioned as possible landing spots for him, though Philadelphia was the clear-cut favorite). The bad news is that it adds another buyer to the market for the rest of these players.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

To Detroit: Micheal Ryder

To Montreal: Mikeal Samuelson

Reason: Dump an idiot and a contract that I wouldnt want for next year.

To Detroit: Chris Gratton

To Tampa Bay: Tomas Kopecky, 3rd round pick

Reason: Pick up a big physical player, lose a big non-physical player

To Detroit: Brad Stuart

To LA: Derek Meech, Jiri Hudler, 2nd round pick

Reason: Meech can get a shot in LA, Hudler.... gotta go, Stuart brings more depth

Sign McCarty

Filpula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Cleary-Zetterberg-Ryder

Maltby-Draper-McCarty

Franzen-Gratton-Drake

Downey

Ellis

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Chelios-Lilja/Lebda

I'd put in a deal for Sundin, but I seriously doubt Kenny will even inquire (Though, he should, actually he should definately get Sundin.)

[Packer487 3]

Alright I've been thinking about it...I like the idea of getting Prospal and I think Fedorov could help us for a relatively low price.

So you do:

Hudler + pick for Prospal

picks/prospects for Fedorov

If McCarty keeps doing well, sign him and waive/send down Drake, Downey, Ellis, whoever

What round the picks are and who the prospects are are fairly insignificant to me per my above post.

Prospal adds a Datsyuk-like dimension to the second line (not really comparing the two, but Prospal has been a point-a-game player three times) without requiring ZDH being split up to do that.

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Cleary-Prospal-Sammy

Flip-Fedorov-Franzen

McCarty-Draper-Maltby

If you'd prefer to move Franzen or Flip to the second line and drop Sammy that's cool, but I kind of like that third line's scoring & defensive ability. And since we bring back old players, might as well reunite the old-school Grind Line.

I think the defense will ultimately be fine. I wouldn't say no to adding Stuart or Modry (a + on the Kings playing almost 20 minutes a night...can't be too bad!) since Kronwall will probably get hurt again anyway, but once everyone comes back I think our defense is fine. And Quincey did an admirable job in the playoffs last year, so we know he could be thrown in in a pinch.

My dream scenario is still Minnesota tanking and trading us Rolston but I doubt it happens. I'm really warming to the idea of Prospal. And again, if Montreal is looking to give Ryder away, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Edited February 18, 2008 by Packer487

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Here's the thing, Kaberle's NTC becomes null & void on July 1st. At that time, he can be traded anywhere the Leafs want.

From now until next Tuesday, Kaberle controls his destiny. It might be wise for him to waive it now for a team that he actually wants to play for.

Ahh good call I did not know that. Being a Leafs fan what do you think it would cost Philly?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

To: Detroit : Feds And Foote

To Blue Jackets: Sammy , Meech and 5th round pick for 2008 and 4round pick in 2009

Awesome! Get it done Kenny!

[MacK_Attack 108]

Ahh good call I did not know that. Being a Leafs fan what do you think it would cost Philly?

The rumour making the rounds is Lupul, top-end prospect and a 1st round pick.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

To Detroit: Micheal Ryder

To Montreal: Mikeal Samuelson

Reason: Dump an idiot and a contract that I wouldnt want for next year.

To Detroit: Chris Gratton

To Tampa Bay: Tomas Kopecky, 3rd round pick

Reason: Pick up a big physical player, lose a big non-physical player

To Detroit: Brad Stuart

To LA: Derek Meech, Jiri Hudler, 2nd round pick

Reason: Meech can get a shot in LA, Hudler.... gotta go, Stuart brings more depth

Sign McCarty

Filpula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Cleary-Zetterberg-Ryder

Maltby-Draper-McCarty

Franzen-Gratton-Drake

Downey

Ellis

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Chelios-Lilja/Lebda

I'd put in a deal for Sundin, but I seriously doubt Kenny will even inquire (Though, he should, actually he should definately get Sundin.)

Or atleast raise his value. You gotta play the game regardless if your interested or not.

[Dabura 12,232]

Hossa + Stuart would suit me just fine. Half our roster is trade bait at this point.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Or atleast raise his value. You gotta play the game regardless if your interested or not.

Yeah, if were not gonna get him, I'd hope that Anaheim would at least have to overpay, alot .

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Blake is out of the mix for the Wings, as he wants to remain a King.

Stuart or Modry are the two the Wings are really interested in. I'm guessing Brad more than Jaroslav.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...e_mix_stua.html