Nick Lidstrom hit + reprercussions + idiot annoucer

[Opie 308]

Of course he is. Just look at his career record against the Wings. He needs to shave that stupid mustache off, it makes him look like some Scotland Yard jackass. And Granato was nothing but a stick swinging ***** his whole career that hid behind the enforcers on his team.

Maybe he taught McSorely every thing he knows!!

[HudlerRULES 0]

You're right, people would scream bloody murder even if it was the cleanest hit ever.

I just wish those people would pause the clip at the point of impact. Lappy's elbow is tucked into his side. It's indesputable. I think what happened, and this is pure phsyics I suppose, is that Lappy drove Lids backwards and they both lost their footing, it just happened that his elbow rode up so at full speed it looks like an elbow. It wasn't. His elbow is tucked when he hits him and the direction they were falling just contributed to the elbow riding up towards Nick's jaw.

You're an idiot. Yes pause at the point he STARTS to make impact and his elbow is tucked but watch the follow through and the elbow goes high and drives his head into the boards.

[bringback91 2]

Opie, I don't really have any problem with assistant coaches getting involved. I happen to remember our own Joey Kocur throwing a chair onto the ice once.

And later, not sure if it was the same game, but Kocur was mouthing off to the opposing team and their staff and giving them the whole, "step out there with me and i'll break your face open Joey K-style" tirade.

Tocchet's flown off the handle as an assistant coach as well. It happens and I don't think its a big deal.

The double standard exisits for sure, and i don't think assistant coaches should only be seen and not heard, but in the Kocur instance to me and probably others including Joe himself, it seemed as though Q was ordering hits or just lost control of his team. Sure a coach may once in a while lose control of a player on a certain play, but that game against St. Louis appeared scripted by the Stl coaching staff. I think Joe was fed up and just giving a bit of a "warning" that things should go no further on the ice, or it might just spill over the boards.

I also agree to an extent about Lappy, although i thought he seen a slight chance at a shot and took it, knowing full well he'd be paying. That's fine, he got beat down and pussed out. But that slop that lead into the whole scrum was a complete ***** move. Watch the replay, you can clearly see Downey call him out by waving him in for a fight, and he pulls the crosscheck to the face? Again supreme ***** move as was trying to jump in as a third man by Mc, than proceding to act like an escaped zoo gorilla when his teammate was the one who started it. Granato shoud've kept his face on his bench, I'd of loved to see Babcock pop him in the beak for poking it where it don't belong.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Maybe he taught McSorely every thing he knows!!

McSorley was one of the best fighters ever, while Granato was nothing more than a stick swinging ***** that hid behind others.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

You're an idiot. Yes pause at the point he STARTS to make impact and his elbow is tucked but watch the follow through and the elbow goes high and drives his head into the boards.

WOW. Did anyone here ever think we'd see the Day were Gordo could be reasonable and debate something with others without getting all fired up only to see some new, total ****** bag jump in and try to take my thrown away?

Congratulations, you are officially the new asshat around here.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Very true. I edited an earlier post to say that I guess it is plausible that Lappy intentionally drove his arm up to finish Lids off high. Then it becomes an issue of whether or not we believe Lappy to be that kind of player.

I think another factor here though is that if Lids just gets there a split second sooner he takes that hit and he just gets pinched along the boards and no big deal. I think the fact that he lost his footing and was going down made it all the more easier for that elbow to ride up. Lids is taller than Lappy, had he been in an upright position then they wouldn't have fallen awkwardly like that and Lappy just pins him with that hit along the boards and there's no room for his elbow to ride up.

Just my thinking of what might have contributed there as I personally don't believe Lappy tried to finish him high and hard. But it's possible he did.

I agree that Lids losing his footing may have changed the hit, because I don't really see Laperierre as that type of player either. That being said, it still happened and Downey did the right thing in standing up for Lids. Like you (and Downey) said, a message needs to be sent right away that any big hit on our big guns won't be tolerated. If it does nothing else, it atleast makes people think twice before laying a huge hit on guys like Lids who are essential to the Wings success.

[Opie 308]

McSorley was one of the best fighters ever, while Granato was nothing more than a stick swinging ***** that hid behind others.

I was referring to the stick swinging McSorley did. I guess I was too vague!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

McSorley was one of the best fighters ever, while Granato was nothing more than a stick swinging ***** that hid behind others.

Definitely. McSorley unfortunately tarnished his career with that stick swinging incident.

He was a great enforcer and not really what I would consider a dirty player up to that point.

I'll never forget the epic fights between Probert and McSorley.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I agree that Lids losing his footing may have changed the hit, because I don't really see Laperierre as that type of player either. That being said, it still happened and Downey did the right thing in standing up for Lids. Like you (and Downey) said, a message needs to be sent right away that any big hit on our big guns won't be tolerated. If it does nothing else, it atleast makes people think twice before laying a huge hit on guys like Lids who are essential to the Wings success.

I just kept thinking about the hits on Franzen and Lebda and Williams from years back where our guys got carted off the ice in some instances and then what happened.....................absolutely nothing.

I was a huge proponent of bringing Downey in here when he was invited. And it was specifically for this type of situation. I will freely admit though that I thought Downey would be a better skater by now. I'll hand it to him, MOST of the time he gets the puck on his stick he does the smart thing by just throwing it back down into the corner, but let's call a spade a spade, Downey has hands of fuggin' concrete and his skating is sometimes painful to watch.

But God love him!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I just kept thinking about the hits on Franzen and Lebda and Williams from years back where our guys got carted off the ice in some instances and then what happened.....................absolutely nothing.

I was a huge proponent of bringing Downey in here when he was invited. And it was specifically for this type of situation. I will freely admit though that I thought Downey would be a better skater by now. I'll hand it to him, MOST of the time he gets the puck on his stick he does the smart thing by just throwing it back down into the corner, but let's call a spade a spade, Downey has hands of fuggin' concrete and his skating is sometimes painful to watch.

But God love him!

What are you talking about? I LOVE watching Downey skate. It make me feel so much better about my own skating!

I'm glad he's on the team too, because otherwise you can bet that hit last night goes unanswered, but yeah, the guy skates like he doesn't even have his boots laced up.

[therock48880 14]

I definitely can see people going too far with this. That's LGW standard operating procedure.

For me, I just like to see where the arm is when contact is made. If its tucked in, them i'm okay with the hit. If it's up, then that will be evident on the video prior to any impact. But you don't see that here at all.

edit: I guess one could still assume Lappy intentionally drove his arm up to finish Lids off high. I guess that's plausible.

For me, it matters where his elbow was when Listrom's head was against the glass. An elbow to the face of a player who is slipping is the same as an elbow to the face in any other situation. An elbow to the face is an elbow to the face. It's not allowed in hockey. I guess we could all follow Pronger's excuse too, he's so much taller than Holmstrom so should be allowed to elbow him in the head. (I'm not comparing the two hits, by the way. Prongers was malicious, Lappy's wasn't. However, an elbow is still an elbow)

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

What are you talking about? I LOVE watching Downey skate. It make me feel so much better about my own skating!

I'm glad he's on the team too, because otherwise you can bet that hit last night goes unanswered, but yeah, the guy skates like he doesn't even have his boots laced up.

I think it was during the Rangers game the other day, during the intermission they had kids out there that had spinal chord issues or had lost the use of their legs. They were motoring around on these specially made seats and carving and ripping pucks top shelf with one hand with modified sticks that were like 18" long. It was awesome to watch. But I was just thinking, these kids don't even have the use of their legs nor can they shoot the puck with both hands yet they are getting around the ice better than Downey and they can go top shelf???? Me thinks Aaron needs to work with the guy who used to help Dmac with his skating back in the day.

Not baggin' on you Downey, just saying.....

[therock48880 14]

I just kept thinking about the hits on Franzen and Lebda and Williams from years back where our guys got carted off the ice in some instances and then what happened.....................absolutely nothing.

But God love him!

We found something we agree on.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

For me, it matters where his elbow was when Listrom's head was against the glass. An elbow to the face of a player who is slipping is the same as an elbow to the face in any other situation. An elbow to the face is an elbow to the face. It's not allowed in hockey. I guess we could all follow Pronger's excuse too, he's so much taller than Holmstrom so should be allowed to elbow him in the head. (I'm not comparing the two hits, by the way. Prongers was malicious, Lappy's wasn't. However, an elbow is still an elbow)

That's cool. I think Lids lost his footing and got driven backwards and Lappy then lost his footing as well...apparent as they both hit the ice afterwards. And from my own experience, you can, if you want finish somebody high. Most definitely. But, and this is a fact, you can't always control what happens after contact is made. So i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Dabura 12,232]

Lappy's elbow is tucked in when he makes contact.

He's not an idiot; he knows if he leads with his elbow on that hit, he faces a suspension and almost universal scorn. But if he does what he did -- tucking the elbow on impact and then "accidentally" letting his arm rise up onto Nick's face on the follow-through -- it's not as clear-cut and he can get off the hook by saying, "Whoops. Didn't intend for that to happen."

He knew what he was doing and I'm glad to see Downey take issue with it, both on the ice and in the media.

[awingsincebirth 0]

WOW. Did anyone here ever think we'd see the Day were Gordo could be reasonable and debate something with others without getting all fired up only to see some new, total ****** bag jump in and try to take my thrown away?

Congratulations, you are officially the new asshat around here.

Ahahaha.

Here was GST, just engaging in critical and rational debate in an incredibly even keeled manner, and the BOOOOM. He's an idiot. I'm kind of eager to see if buddy starts something here, because I've seen you work your magic before in the short time I've been a member and as a guest. Unleash the fury, Gordo, unleash it!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Ahahaha.

Here was GST, just engaging in critical and rational debate in an incredibly even keeled manner, and the BOOOOM. He's an idiot. I'm kind of eager to see if buddy starts something here, because I've seen you work your magic before in the short time I've been a member and as a guest. Unleash the fury, Gordo, unleash it!

My wife told me that my New Year's resolution should be to stop arguing about everything. Of course what she meant was don't argue with her and just nod my head and say "yes, dear". I don't think she meant be nicer to the folks at LGW.

I don't know who this person is that called me an idiot but their will be a medieval can of ass whoopin' unleashed in due time.

Oh yes, there will be blood!

[awingsincebirth 0]

My wife told me that my New Year's resolution should be to stop arguing about everything. Of course what she meant was don't argue with her and just nod my head and say "yes, dear". I don't think she meant be nicer to the folks at LGW.

I don't know who this person is that called me an idiot but their will be a medieval can of ass whoopin' unleashed in due time.

Oh yes, there will be blood!

Good to know....until then, I'll wait silently

[HudlerRULES 0]

He's not an idiot; he knows if he leads with his elbow on that hit, he faces a suspension and almost universal scorn. But if he does what he did -- tucking the elbow on impact and then "accidentally" letting his arm rise up onto Nick's face on the follow-through -- it's not as clear-cut and he can get off the hook by saying, "Whoops. Didn't intend for that to happen."

He knew what he was doing and I'm glad to see Downey take issue with it, both on the ice and in the media.

WOW look at there just goes to show GordieSid&Ted is just a little to stupid to watch a follow through. Then again look at the child trying to call it a clean hit because of the INITIAL contact instead of watching the whole hit. OHHH lookie the picture his elbow is sure tucked in his follow through there isn't it!!!!

Edited February 19, 2008 by HudlerRULES

[HudlerRULES 0]

My wife told me that my New Year's resolution should be to stop arguing about everything. Of course what she meant was don't argue with her and just nod my head and say "yes, dear". I don't think she meant be nicer to the folks at LGW.

I don't know who this person is that called me an idiot but their will be a medieval can of ass whoopin' unleashed in due time.

Oh yes, there will be blood!

Bring it and your wife says hi from my place. Oh and dude you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag let alone taking on the champ.

Edited February 19, 2008 by HudlerRULES

[bringback91 2]

Now i'm waiting for gordo to calmly remove the verbal helmet and gloves, waiting to unleash the pain. hahhahha

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I really think it's possible that some of you can get your point across without insulting the other person, don't you? Geez.

[HudlerRULES 0]

I really think it's possible that some of you can get your point across without insulting the other person, don't you? Geez.

Meh

[HudlerRULES 0]

Now i'm waiting for gordo to calmly remove the verbal helmet and gloves, waiting to unleash the pain. hahhahha

Dude.... you're like the little friend that says " keep running your mouth and i will have my boys come to beat you up" How bout you go cower somewhere else

[awingsincebirth 0]

now we are in that old country western town, everyone has cleared the streets and is hiding indoors, tumbleweed blowing across the dirt road.

We wait for the inevitable.