Sundin will only waive no trade if 3 things happen

MacK_Attack · February 20, 2008

Totally agree. If i had to make one guess, Fedotenko just strikes me as someone we'd end up with. Sundin will either stay in TO or go to Anaheim, and Hossa i think somebody we arent really hearing about will sneak up and get him. A team like Dallas perhaps, the rumor mill seems mysteriously quiet in regards to them.

My cousin is the Stars video coach, they're up to something. Problem is, they don't have many, if any, futures to give up.

LeftWinger · February 20, 2008

Looking at the rosters right now I don't see how any team eliminates the Ducks. You add Sundin to that team and they are pretty much guaranteed to win it barring a miracle.
I think the only team who can have any shot of eliminating the Ducks is Detroit. But I just don't see FLIP and Hudler providing the secondary scoring in the playoffs. I see Cleary raising his game once again but is that going to be enough? I don't think it is. I'd like to be wrong but I think most Wings fans realize that right now the Ducks are better than the Wings are going into the playoffs.

...so if we stand pat and the Ducks stand pat, we lose. This is why Kenny needs to make a couple of deals. Score Sundin or Hossa. Add Fedorov/Stuart or Foote. Right now we don't have secondary scoring. Remove Hudler and Filpulla and maybe Kopecky from this team add Feds and Hossa or Sundin and I think we address the secondary scoring. Get Foote or Stuart or both (Sure!) then we have definate defensive depth...

...bottom line, Kenny needs to make two or three moves to improve this club for the playoffs. Burke doen't need to make any, but if he does, they Kenny will have to do even more to better his team. Like it or not, the Ducks are built for the playoffs, the Wings for the regular season, that needs to change by February 26th or we're doomed...

February 20, 2008

No joke... i too would rather fancy Hossa, like who wouldnt?? the guy is younger w/much more upside than Sundin. the kicker is.. Hossa is a top-two forward on a team battling for a playoff spot!! hellloo... mcfly! even Don Waddell is not dumb enuf to move that kind of asset without bonafide talent coming in return.
The only reason we are even talking Sundin is cuz the Leafs are out of it. And in case if you haven't noticed... the Leafs actually want to trade Mats!

Atlanta is in a tough spot right now. They are teetering on the brink of either making the playoffs or not making it. Hossa is an UFA and to me it is clear he does not want to stay in Atlanta. If he did then I think he would have signed a new contract extension by now.

Atlanta traded DANY HEATLEY for this guy straight up. And now they risk losing him for nothing on July 1st. That would be a tough pill to swallow.

Atlanta, even if they do make the playoffs will not be winning the Cup this year. So if I am Waddell I look to deal Hossa and try to get the best package I can for him. I would not just give him away mind you. But if I get a decent offer then I'd be crazy not do it. I can see the Habs offering a solid package for Hossa because they have the young players/depth to do it.

While the Leafs want to trade Sundin...from everything I have heard and read...Sundin keeps saying over and over again that he has no wish to leave Toronto. He holds all the cards. Not the Leafs. I'd be surprised if he was traded.

Edited February 20, 2008 by Hatethedrake!

northstar · February 20, 2008

The main problem here is that the players the Wings may be interested in...are players other teams want as well thus driving the price up. Boyle's game is perfect for the Wings much like Rafalski's is. Same for Campbell in Buffalo. The price for these players will be sky high next Tuesday and Holland likely knows this.
I like Stuart's game. He can skate, pass, shoot and blocks shots. I like his willingness to hit. He did not look good at all vs the Wings in the playoffs last year but I believe he was trying to do too much for the Flames when Regehr was injured. If he does not have to be one of the main guys then he will do fine. Kalinin plays a simple positional game and is a safe guy to get. He will not "wow" anyone but he does his job well. Not a flashy name but a guy who could play for the Wings and fill a need in the top 4 without having to give up too much.

I like Stuart also and as I stated in an earlier post I feel he will be Holland's number one target for a defensemen.

PS: I wouldn't rule out Miroslav Satan of the Islanders as a likely pick-up by Holland either.

LeftWinger · February 20, 2008

My cousin is the Stars video coach, they're up to something. Problem is, they don't have many, if any, futures to give up.

...ooooooo inside info!!!!! :w00t2:

...concerning your sig about drafting Luke Richardson over Sakic. Looking at that draft I think everyone from #3 to #14 wished they could go back and draft Joe, even us! We picked Yves Racine over Joe Sakic!!!! :puke:

miller76 · February 20, 2008

I just heard on Hardcore Hockey Talk on The Score that they were informed Sundin will only be traded if:
1. The Leafs approach him to waive his NTC

2. He gets a 2 year extension worth about 5mil per

3. It's to Detroit

Take it for what its worth.

I just was on ESPN.com Check this story out!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor...&id=3253963

February 20, 2008

...so if we stand pat and the Ducks stand pat, we lose. This is why Kenny needs to make a couple of deals. Score Sundin or Hossa. Add Fedorov/Stuart or Foote. Right now we don't have secondary scoring. Remove Hudler and Filpulla and maybe Kopecky from this team add Feds and Hossa or Sundin and I think we address the secondary scoring. Get Foote or Stuart or both (Sure!) then we have definate defensive depth...
...bottom line, Kenny needs to make two or three moves to improve this club for the playoffs. Burke doen't need to make any, but if he does, they Kenny will have to do even more to better his team. Like it or not, the Ducks are built for the playoffs, the Wings for the regular season, that needs to change by February 26th or we're doomed...

Ah yes it's that fine line Holland walks each season. Improve my team now but not mortgage away the future. In the Salary Cap world your are supposed to keep all your young players and assets and draft picks. But you are also told to "go for it" when you think you can win it all. So what does Holland do?

I believe he tries to do both. Give up a assets he can afford to surrender but keep his best assets so he can ice a solid team for years to come.

We have to DO something if we are to beat the Ducks. Since we played them in the playoffs last season they have added Bertuzzi and Schneider. Weight if you want to count him. Selanne and Niedermayer are back now. They lost Penner.

The Wings will hopefully have Kronwall this time as well as Rafalski. So that is a positive. If the Wings make any moves they should wait as long as possible to the deadline so Burke can't counter. But then you run the risk of running out of time to get the players you want.

Deadline Day has to be tough on any GM in Holland's position.

February 20, 2008

I just was on ESPN.com Check this story out!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor...&id=3253963

I don't see him waiving it.

Edited February 20, 2008 by Hatethedrake!

LeftWinger · February 20, 2008

Atlanta is in a tough spot right now. They are teetering on the brink of either making the playoffs or not making it. Hossa is an UFA and to me it is clear he does not want to stay in Atlanta. If he did then I think he would have signed a new contract extension by now.
Atlanta traded DANY HEATLEY for this guy straight up. And now they risk losing him for nothing on July 1st. That would be a tough pill to swallow.

Atlanta, even if they do make the playoffs will not be winning the Cup this year. So if I am Waddell I look to deal Hossa and try to get the best package I can for him. I would not just give him away mind you. But if I get a decent offer then I'd be crazy not do it. I can see the Habs offering a solid package for Hossa because they have the young players/depth to do it.

While the Leafs want to trade Sundin...from everything I have heard and read...Sundin keeps saying over and over again that he has no wish to leave Toronto. He holds all the cards. Not the Leafs. I'd be surprised if he was traded.

...right, and who's to say that the right package is going to come from a ligit contender? The Thrashers want quality players in return, will Anaheim/Detroit/San Jose give up some of their core to land Hossa? Not at the expense of team chemistry. I agree with you, look for someone other than the top 4 teams in the NHL persuing Hossa. Unless Waddell is an idiot and trade's him for pennies...

...Sundin may just pull a Blake and say he is not waiving his trade clause for anyone. Maybe Wings should focus on players that won't cost him the world. Get Feds/Foote for a nice package. Get Stuart out of LA and maybe a Mike Comrie out of the Island...

February 20, 2008

I just was on ESPN.com Check this story out!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor...&id=3253963

You got me excited for a sec. That writers an idiot. Sundin owes the Leafs nothing!

February 20, 2008

...right, and who's to say that the right package is going to come from a ligit contender? The Thrashers want quality players in return, will Anaheim/Detroit/San Jose give up some of their core to land Hossa? Not at the expense of team chemistry. I agree with you, look for someone other than the top 4 teams in the NHL persuing Hossa. Unless Waddell is an idiot and trade's him for pennies...
...Sundin may just pull a Blake and say he is not waiving his trade clause for anyone. Maybe Wings should focus on players that won't cost him the world. Get Feds/Foote for a nice package. Get Stuart out of LA and maybe a Mike Comrie out of the Island...

I believe Fedorov could play a role here and take the pressure off guys like Filppula and Hudler and maybe even speed up their development. I believe the Wings are the only team which Fedorov could help. But I am not sure the Blue Jackets would deal with the Wings and do them any favours.

Foote could also be a solid trade. However I don't think he wants to waive his no trade clause.

Comrie has done well on the Island but would he fit anywhere else? He's been kicked around the league a fair bit before he found a home on the Island.

Prospal and Stuart would be better than nothing. I like Stuart. Do not like Prospal. But he is a Holland type guy.

I'd like to see some toughness. I still recommend Marty Lapointe. Feds, Lapointe and Stuart would be fine with me.

mackel · February 20, 2008

The two forwards I'd most like to see us land are:

Olli Jokinen and/or

Vaclav Prospal

Each player is close in age to our core players and in the case of Jokinen he's signed for a year or two afterward. Personally I view him as a younger already signed version of Sundin.

But the elephant in the room here is our lack of depth on "D". Again we are one or at most two injuries on "D" away from a disaster. I think we need to add a couple of guys to slot into the 4-5 holes as needed. Lillypads as the 7th "D" would be ideal.

LeftWinger · February 20, 2008

I just was on ESPN.com Check this story out!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/stor...&id=3253963

...this entire article and this reporters opinion is exactly why the NHLPA was created. If Toronto wanted to control what it did with Sundin, they should have never signed him with a no-trade clause. Sundin wanted the clause so he wouldn't/couldn't be dealt to anyone just so Toronto can get rid of him. The players union is there for the players, the players should be able to control their own destiny, ntobe controlled by the owners. It's ok to not re-sign him in the off season, but to suggest to treat him like dirt because he is honoring the contract Toronto signed him to is assinine...

...if you were to ask the author of the article what the Big Three should do in order to cut costs, I have an incling that he would say impose concessions on it's union employees or strip them of their livelihood and tell them we aren't gonna re-sign you next year. This guy is a jack-ass and obviously doesn't believe in what Ted Lindsay (and others) fought so hard for, as well as the UAW/IAM/Teamsters, etc...

LeftWinger · February 20, 2008

I believe Fedorov could play a role here and take the pressure off guys like Filppula and Hudler and maybe even speed up their development. I believe the Wings are the only team which Fedorov could help. But I am not sure the Blue Jackets would deal with the Wings and do them any favours.
Foote could also be a solid trade. However I don't think he wants to waive his no trade clause.

Comrie has done well on the Island but would he fit anywhere else? He's been kicked around the league a fair bit before he found a home on the Island.

Prospal and Stuart would be better than nothing. I like Stuart. Do not like Prospal. But he is a Holland type guy.

I'd like to see some toughness. I still recommend Marty Lapointe. Feds, Lapointe and Stuart would be fine with me.

...ahhh, but knowing that the Wings are very interested in him (he already said he'd welcome a trade back "home") would they risk losing him for nothing come July 1st? This is the same reason Chicago traded Chelios to us back in 1999. They were gonna lose him to UFA (partly because they weren't gonna re-sign him that summer (just like Columbus and Feds)) so as much as they hated trading within the division, they had to get something for him. So I think given the choice, either trade to Detroit or lose him to Detroit for nothing, the choice is obvious...

miller76 · February 20, 2008

...this entire article and this reporters opinion is exactly why the NHLPA was created. If Toronto wanted to control what it did with Sundin, they should have never signed him with a no-trade clause. Sundin wanted the clause so he wouldn't/couldn't be dealt to anyone just so Toronto can get rid of him. The players union is there for the players, the players should be able to control their own destiny, ntobe controlled by the owners. It's ok to not re-sign him in the off season, but to suggest to treat him like dirt because he is honoring the contract Toronto signed him to is assinine...
...if you were to ask the author of the article what the Big Three should do in order to cut costs, I have an incling that he would say impose concessions on it's union employees or strip them of their livelihood and tell them we aren't gonna re-sign you next year. This guy is a jack-ass and obviously doesn't believe in what Ted Lindsay (and others) fought so hard for, as well as the UAW/IAM/Teamsters, etc...

I know one thing for sure, and that is Toronto is in a really deep hole, and they are just digging it deeper. What a s***hole. Sundin, Kaberle, are there trying keep it together, while the front office is saying too bad! Toronto was such a great rival, it's too bad. I feel sorry for the people in Toronto and their players.

HenryMalredo · February 20, 2008

...ahhh, but knowing that the Wings are very interested in him (he already said he'd welcome a trade back "home") would they risk losing him for nothing come July 1st? This is the same reason Chicago traded Chelios to us back in 1999. They were gonna lose him to UFA (partly because they weren't gonna re-sign him that summer (just like Columbus and Feds)) so as much as they hated trading within the division, they had to get something for him. So I think given the choice, either trade to Detroit or lose him to Detroit for nothing, the choice is obvious...

Of course its always possible that they could trade him to a team that is not Detroit.

Majsheppard · February 20, 2008

The two forwards I'd most like to see us land are:
Olli Jokinen and/or

Vaclav Prospal

Each player is close in age to our core players and in the case of Jokinen he's signed for a year or two afterward. Personally I view him as a younger already signed version of Sundin.

But the elephant in the room here is our lack of depth on "D". Again we are one or at most two injuries on "D" away from a disaster. I think we need to add a couple of guys to slot into the 4-5 holes as needed. Lillypads as the 7th "D" would be ideal.

Agree about the D, and Prospal is a lock IMO.

Olli Jokinen prob would not fit our system...

I think it would be like Lang, good for some teams but not us.

Barrie · February 20, 2008

I'm interested in Sundin, but I'm not interested in signing him past this season. We still have Zetterberg and Cleary to re-sign.

Call me crazy, but I'm ok with Sundin being a rental for the playoffs.

dallas27 · February 20, 2008

This thread is way too serious, come to the Hossa thread. So much more fun.

Kp-Wings · February 20, 2008

This thread is way too serious, come to the Hossa thread. So much more fun.

Hey, maybe you should go check Sundin's facebook. That ought to spice things up a bit. :yowza:

LeftWinger · February 20, 2008

Of course its always possible that they could trade him to a team that is not Detroit.

...even if Detroit is offering the best package? I think whomever picks up Fedorov, not named Detroit, knows good and well where Fedorov is going to sign come July 1st. So, I would think that other teams aren't so apt to give up alot for a Fedorov rental (but you may be right.) Either way Fedorov comes home. If San Jose or Ottawa is offering up more picks/prospects let them rent him through the first round (HEH HEH.) We'll just wait until July 1st then...

Edited February 20, 2008 by LeftWinger

Mudvayneowns91 · February 20, 2008

How much does Sundin make now?

dallas27 · February 20, 2008

Hey, maybe you should go check Sundin's facebook. That ought to spice things up a bit.

NO WAY. So sending an invite now

wingsfan_54 · February 20, 2008

http://www.hockeytraderumors.com/modules.p...e&sid=10149

Just read this article from marty York, I'm not sure how reliable he is, but if you read it you'll see he claims Detroit is making the biggest splash for him and he has agreed to for Detroit..also says the Wings are interested in Hossa and Jagr

Thoughts?!

Captain_Yzerman19 · February 20, 2008

How much does Sundin make now?

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