Sundin will only waive no trade if 3 things happen

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

http://www.metronews.ca/column.aspx?id=106954 <- is linked to from that news article. It's from the 14th, and doesn't say that those things WILL happen....

Edit: It's also talking about forsberg, when he's been outta the picture for a while. This dude is blowing smoke.

Edited February 20, 2008 by CaliWingsNut

[Guest Canadian Wings]

Yah this thread should be deleted.

Made my heart jump until i realized it was dated the 13th of February.

[jim3033 1]

That's hilarious.

Would it be impossible to get Sundin and Hossa?

[jim3033 1]

Just checked out the Maple LEaf forums. Look at this

posted 11:18PM

Just said on XM:

Burke has put an offer on the table:

To Toronto:

Bobby Ryan

Brendan Mikkelson

Edm 1st pick

To Anaheim:

Mats Sundin

Matt Stajan

Tor 2nd rd pick

It is said Sundin will be given a a day to make his decision on his future.

Link

[Guest Canadian Wings]

Just checked out the Maple LEaf forums. Look at this

posted 11:18PM

Just said on XM:

Burke has put an offer on the table:

To Toronto:

Bobby Ryan

Brendan Mikkelson

Edm 1st pick

To Anaheim:

Mats Sundin

Matt Stajan

Tor 2nd rd pick

It is said Sundin will be given a a day to make his decision on his future.

Link

no way, toronto would be getting hossed.

[Guest Jeremy88]

Nooooooo! I'd rather get Hossa than a rental sundin

[rage 24]

no way, toronto would be getting hossed.

You think Toronto loses that trade?

[Guest Canadian Wings]

You think Toronto loses that trade?

yah. i think toronto should get that much just for sundin alone. atleast the edmonton 1st and bobby ryan. maybe not hosed but i do think they lose that trade.

[34Legace34 0]

anyone have any recent info on Bobby Ryan's progress? wasnt he the one that didnt even get invited to the US Junior camp? this was while he was in the top few in OHL scoring i think.

[sixer 37]

Sundin is by far the top player on the market right now and would instantly multiply our chances of winning the cup as long as Hasek stays healthy.

Sundin is nothing short of one of the most consistent top players in this league, is the size and skill we need on the ice to not be pushed around in the offense zone and would definitely re-sign once he starts hanging out with all the swedes on our team.

Giving up Kronwall for someone to help us win the cup this year is a no-brainer. Kronwall can be replaced, but getting someone like Sundin only comes around once in a while. Of course, Sundin must re-sign for this to be worth it, and Kenny wouldn't do it if he doesn't.

[Grim 5]

Just checked out the Maple LEaf forums. Look at this

Burke has put an offer on the table:

To Toronto:

Bobby Ryan

Brendan Mikkelson

Edm 1st pick

To Anaheim:

Mats Sundin

Matt Stajan

Tor 2nd rd pick

Link

well... we can't beat that offer if true. I don't see how it can work, Anaheim is already in Cap purgatory... and there is little salary headed out with alot coming in.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Just checked out the Maple LEaf forums. Look at this

posted 11:18PM

Just said on XM:

Burke has put an offer on the table:

To Toronto:

Bobby Ryan

Brendan Mikkelson

Edm 1st pick

To Anaheim:

Mats Sundin

Matt Stajan

Tor 2nd rd pick

It is said Sundin will be given a a day to make his decision on his future.

Link

Apparently Toronto doesn't have a second round pick this year. Thus, that has to be BS.

[VM1138 1,921]

Well, if he's making a move on Sundin (which is probably just a baseless rumor), then he must be thinking Detroit is getting Hossa, considering the events of last night and the suddenness of Burke's offer.

[sixer 37]

We need to make Sundin happen, if anything to avoid Anaheim getting him.

I hate the Ducks, bunch of thugs, shouldn't they be going after Avery since he's an UFA.

Actually, we should be going after Avery in my opinion, but I don't think many would agree with me or the Rangers would even let him go. The rangers winning % is drastically higher with him in the lineup.

[Hank 0]

I just heard on Hardcore Hockey Talk on The Score that they were informed Sundin will only be traded if:

1. The Leafs approach him to waive his NTC

2. He gets a 2 year extension worth about 5mil per

3. It's to Detroit

Take it for what its worth.

I'd love to have Sundin here but I can only imagine what we'd have to give up.

It will probably work to our advantage that he only wants to come here. The price will go down.

But I gotta believe Fletcher is upset Sundin won't go to Anaheim (if this rumor is true). If the Leafs could get that Oiler pick from Burke there's great potential Toronto could draft Stamkos and Daughty 1st and 2nd. That's an incredible pair of kids to build a team around.

[eva unit zero 271]

Sundin is by far the top player on the market right now and would instantly multiply our chances of winning the cup as long as Hasek stays healthy.

Sundin is nothing short of one of the most consistent top players in this league, is the size and skill we need on the ice to not be pushed around in the offense zone and would definitely re-sign once he starts hanging out with all the swedes on our team.

Giving up Kronwall for someone to help us win the cup this year is a no-brainer. Kronwall can be replaced, but getting someone like Sundin only comes around once in a while. Of course, Sundin must re-sign for this to be worth it, and Kenny wouldn't do it if he doesn't.

And who exactly do you suggest to replace Kronner? You know, a two-way No.1-caliber defenseman with good physical presence and a $3m price tag.

Here's a list of defensemen under 26 with a cap hit between $2.5m and 3.5m for next season. I've put them in order of age, and then salary, because in this case those would correspond closely with trade value.

Barker, Cam, D, 21, Chi, 2.736m

Matt Carle, D, SJ, 22, 3.438m

Brent Seabrook, D, Chi, 22, 3.5m

Tyutin, Fedor, D, 23, NYR, 2.844m

Allen, Bryan, D, 26, Fla, 2.9m

Niklas Kronwall, D, Det, 26, 3m So let's see...Hudler/Kronwall/1st for Sundin, and then probably Kindl/1st to get one of these guys to replace Kronwall. If you assume the guy replacing Kronner is an even swap on the ice, then you are trading, Hudler/Kindl/2 1sts for JUST SUNDIN for JUST A MONTH OR TWO. No ******* way do I make that deal. Because even if you consider Hudler useless like some posters, you're still giving up two first round picks and a top prospect for a rental who guarantees NOTHING. The Wings should not trade Kronwall, and should trade only one of Filppula/Hudler/Kindl/Ericsson if they trade for anything.

[rick zombo 3,739]

And who exactly do you suggest to replace Kronner? You know, a two-way No.1-caliber defenseman with good physical presence and a $3m price tag.

Here's a list of defensemen under 26 with a cap hit between $2.5m and 3.5m for next season. I've put them in order of age, and then salary, because in this case those would correspond closely with trade value.

Barker, Cam, D, 21, Chi, 2.736m

Matt Carle, D, SJ, 22, 3.438m

Brent Seabrook, D, Chi, 22, 3.5m

Tyutin, Fedor, D, 23, NYR, 2.844m

Allen, Bryan, D, 26, Fla, 2.9m

Niklas Kronwall, D, Det, 26, 3m So let's see...Hudler/Kronwall/1st for Sundin, and then probably Kindl/1st to get one of these guys to replace Kronwall. If you assume the guy replacing Kronner is an even swap on the ice, then you are trading, Hudler/Kindl/2 1sts for JUST SUNDIN for JUST A MONTH OR TWO. No ******* way do I make that deal. Because even if you consider Hudler useless like some posters, you're still giving up two first round picks and a top prospect for a rental who guarantees NOTHING. The Wings should not trade Kronwall, and should trade only one of Filppula/Hudler/Kindl/Ericsson if they trade for anything.

Basically, I agree. Except you have to factor in Kronwall's injuries. If someone could guarantee that Nik would stay healthy, then he gets put on the "no trade" list. But you have to assume that the fact that he hasn't played a full season yet, due to a myriad of physical setbacks, is a major issue and perhaps makes him more tradeable then his upside (potential, salary, etc.) suggests. Correct?

edit: spelling

Edited February 20, 2008 by rick zombo

[sixer 37]

^ Agreed, his size with the type of play he engages in results in the types of injuries he suffers. Until he can play a one or two full seasons he's trade material for sure.

[VM1138 1,921]

Kronwall has stayed healthier than normal this year, which makes me think he's conditioning himself a little better.

[m96m 0]

oh please, Hossa doesn't even compare to Sundin.

Hossa has been a playoff flop throughout his career. Even more recently with Ilya Kovalchuk, he's only had good regular seasons and thats it. He is your stereotypical "soft" European.

Sundin on the other hand has all the skills to pay the bills. Not only is he a top leader, but put him with guys that can actually play, he can totally dominate the game.

He is a national hero in Sweden (there is no one bigger than him in Sweden except arguably Peter Forsberg), and you don't get that status without earning it.

He would be a perfect fit on an already very strong roster, and he really could be the missing piece of the puzzle that puts Detroit over the top!

As a Torontonian I've seen Sundin play for years. The Leafs' paltry attempts at finding him good wingers have made him seem less dominant, but trust me, he is the type of player that can control the game. And when it counts most (playoffs), he always answers the call.

If and thats a huge if, he is available and would want a new contract immediately, I don't think Kenny Holland would hesitate for even a second to pull the trigger on a deal.

So lets jump the gun a bit....say he does get traded to the Wings, what number would he wear? I'm gonna go with 67 (it also gives me the biggest laugh as well!).

For one, 13 is taken by Datsyuk. Secondly, 6+7 adds up to 13. And thirdly, 67 is the last time the Leafs won the cup! hahahaha!

[superstarsingh 23]

Forget Sundin and Hossa both. We cannot afford them.

[superstarsingh 23]

Or afford to acquire them rather.

[Dominator2005 558]

And who exactly do you suggest to replace Kronner? You know, a two-way No.1-caliber defenseman with good physical presence and a $3m price tag.

Here's a list of defensemen under 26 with a cap hit between $2.5m and 3.5m for next season. I've put them in order of age, and then salary, because in this case those would correspond closely with trade value.

Barker, Cam, D, 21, Chi, 2.736m

Matt Carle, D, SJ, 22, 3.438m

Brent Seabrook, D, Chi, 22, 3.5m

Tyutin, Fedor, D, 23, NYR, 2.844m

Allen, Bryan, D, 26, Fla, 2.9m

Niklas Kronwall, D, Det, 26, 3m So let's see...Hudler/Kronwall/1st for Sundin, and then probably Kindl/1st to get one of these guys to replace Kronwall. If you assume the guy replacing Kronner is an even swap on the ice, then you are trading, Hudler/Kindl/2 1sts for JUST SUNDIN for JUST A MONTH OR TWO. No ******* way do I make that deal. Because even if you consider Hudler useless like some posters, you're still giving up two first round picks and a top prospect for a rental who guarantees NOTHING. The Wings should not trade Kronwall, and should trade only one of Filppula/Hudler/Kindl/Ericsson if they trade for anything.

I agree with you but Kronwall is getting paid around $3M per season (40 games)

Last 4 season he played 163 regular season games of 328 games. So he's playing like 40 games (average) per season... He's getting paid $6M per normal (82 games) season.

[Dabura 12,232]

Hossa has been a playoff flop throughout his career.

Datsyuk was playoff a flop until very recently, even with the the luxury of a tremendous supporting cast throughout his entire postseason career.

He is your stereotypical "soft" European.

There's absolutely no basis for this statement. If you're going to give him that tag, you might as well do the same for Datsyuk. Hossa plays a physical game -- not a bruising one or a grinding one, but one in which he uses his size to his advantage, making himself an all-around pain in the ass to play against. Or have you forgotten that time not too long ago when he singlehandedly assraped us, the mighty Detroit Red Wings?

Sundin on the other hand has all the skills to pay the bills. Not only is he a top leader, but put him with guys that can actually play, he can totally dominate the game.

Sundin is a tremendous package, no doubt. But he's in the last leg of his career and would realistically only be a one-year rental. Hossa, on the other hand, is only now heading into his prime years and is looking for a long-term deal. He has "franchise player" written all over him. Furthermore, he's a winger. The Wings need a winger, not a center.

Point being, GTFO.

[Dabura 12,232]

Or afford to acquire them rather.

We can, though.

It's just a matter of Holland's willingness and the assets the other teams are putting on the table.