2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Brilliant! I'll buy that! And Osgood has underachieved this year! Exactly. A definitive win over the Wings would have meant a 6 goal difference in the score. As it stands, we "struggled" and only beat you by 3. ROFLMAO! (It's been years since I've said "ROFLMAO", but if ever there was a time, now is it) I think the reason you're laughing is because deep down you really know that without Bobby Lu, your team is on par with the Leafs...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 That's about it... The Wings dominated the season series and would have likely swept them if we were healthy. It's nice to be a fan of a quality organization... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 At one point we had Mitchell, Bieksa, Ohlund and Salo all out and still found a way to win. None of them may be the calibre of Lidstrom, but that's beyond ridiculous. Don't complain to a Canucks fan about injuries. We know all about it. Complain about the refs last night instead. Well, maybe that's not a good idea. I'll give you the list of how Wings and Canucks' top six defensemen stack up based on their play this season: Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Ohlund Chelios Edler Mitchell Salo Lebda Lilja Krajicek In bold are Wings defensemen currently injured. Underlined are Nucks defensemen you mentioned as injured. See the difference? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) I'll give you the list of how Wings and Canucks' top six defensemen stack up based on their play this season: Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Ohlund Chelios Edler Mitchell Salo Lebda Lilja Krajicek In bold are Wings defensemen currently injured. Underlined are Nucks defensemen you mentioned as injured. See the difference? The only difference I see is the difference in opinion we have, mainly from Kronwall on down. But I congratulate you on the fact that you have an opinion. I have one too, but to argue back and forth based on opinion, to me, is like banging me head against a wall. You can keep banging and whining, "Oh we're injured, WE ARE INJURED!". Suck it up princess because it happens to everyone. Truly good teams find a way to win, even when they're injured, and this forum is littered with posts about the fact that past a few top key players, the Wings are very thin. Now you're finding out just how thin you are. Also, if I were compiling such a detailed list as you did, I'd be sure to get it right. You forgot Bieksa. He was injured longer than anyone this year. And no one has addressed my contention that the Wings starting stinking up the joint before they were really hit by the injury bug. Is this true or not? You know, if the situation were reversed regarding Saturday's game, I would've said to you something to the effect of, "Congrats dude, you deserved the win, sure we're injured but injuries are part of the game and all teams face them, again congrats, you were the better team tonight." The true test of a persons character is not taken when times are good, it is best taken when times are tough. Some of you guys are flunkin' out. Edited February 25, 2008 by One of the Few Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 You do realize this is a Red Wings fan forum. Right? Good job, Eva. You're right as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 The only difference I see is the difference in opinion we have, mainly from Kronwall on down. But I congratulate you on the fact that you have an opinion. I have one too, but to argue back and forth based on opinion, to me, is like banging me head against a wall. You can keep banging and whining, "Oh we're injured, WE ARE INJURED!". Suck it up princess because it happens to everyone. Truly good teams find a way to win, even when they're injured, and this forum is littered with posts about the fact that past a few top key players, the Wings are very thin. Now you're finding out just how thin you are. Also, if I were compiling such a detailed list as you did, I'd be sure to get it right. You forgot Bieksa. He was injured longer than anyone this year. You know, if the situation were reversed regarding Saturday's game, I would've said to you something to the effect of, "Congrats dude, you deserved the win, sure we're injured but injuries are part of the game and all teams face them, again congrats, you were the better team tonight." The true test of a persons character is not taken when times are good, it is best taken when times are tough. Some of you guys are flunkin' out. Whys that? Because we don't agree with your opinion of your team? Maybe Nuck fans are toking out....Yeah Wings are bad right now, injuries to your top 4 defenseman do that to a squad. Wings also lost their starting goaltender in Hasek, and who knows whats up with Osgood. (Another rookie in the lineup with Jimmy Howard) Take Bobby Lu away from the Nucks, see if you fall flat quick. Without him, you guys aren't in the 6th spot that you were last night.... I do have a question for you though... The Nucks are supposedly in the Hossa sweepstakes, so tell us what they would actually give in return. Nonis has said he doesn't want to give up youth..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 You do realize this is a Red Wings fan forum. Right? Are you saying that fans of other teams are not welcome here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Are you saying that fans of other teams are not welcome here? No outsiders allowed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 No outsiders allowed! This is sounding like a Legionaire type argument more and more with each post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 This is sounding like a Legionaire type argument more and more with each post. Well what do these people think this is? A message board forum for discussion? We don't tolerate other viewpoints here! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Are you saying that fans of other teams are not welcome here? No, no... not at all. I just don't want you to be disappointed when we all don't chime in and agree with you when you say the Wings are not the best. They are, you know! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Are you saying that fans of other teams are not welcome here? Good grief. You most certainly know much better than that. She is merely reminding you why no one here is waxing poetic over the Nucks performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 No outsiders allowed! Then I retract my anointing of this forum as the "classiest in the NHL". But I was half way there anyway. The numerous comments that suggest that the Canucks are not a class organization already had me second-guessing that compliment I made. But again, I won't let a poor showing from a few people sway me that easily. It is true though, losing on a regular basis is a better indicator of a fanbase and their "patience". Whys that? Because we don't agree with your opinion of your team? Maybe Nuck fans are toking out....Yeah Wings are bad right now, injuries to your top 4 defenseman do that to a squad. I know. Remember? Take Bobby Lu away from the Nucks, see if you fall flat quick. Without him, you guys aren't in the 6th spot that you were last night.... Take Lidstrom away from the Wings and see what happens..... oh sorry. Take Gaborik away from the Wild. Take Iginla away from the Flames. Hell, take away franchise players all over the league and you get a weaker team. Luongo's a Canuck. Deal with it. Besides, it IS a team game, and when Luongo starts scoring on the opposing team on a regular basis, I might buy that argument. In case you haven't noticed, he is NEVER on the ice alone. I do have a question for you though... The Nucks are supposedly in the Hossa sweepstakes, so tell us what they would actually give in return. Nonis has said he doesn't want to give up youth..... How the hell would I know. I heard some crap about Cory Schneider and Luc Bourdon for Brad Richards. I haven't heard any speculation about Hossa. I edited my previous post with this. Care to comment? "And no one has addressed my contention that the Wings starting stinking up the joint before they were really hit by the injury bug. Is this true or not?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Good grief. You most certainly know much better than that. She is merely reminding you why no one here is waxing poetic over the Nucks performance. I dunno.... Like I already said. .... if the situation were reversed regarding Saturday's game, I would've said to you something to the effect of, "Congrats dude, you deserved the win, sure we're injured but injuries are part of the game and all teams face them, again congrats, you were the better team tonight." The true test of a persons character is not taken when times are good, it is best taken when times are tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Well what do these people think this is? A message board forum for discussion? We don't tolerate other viewpoints here! He has a right to his viewpoint, but what he's wanting is for people to kiss the Nucks ass because they won a game. Others including myself did not kiss their ass, so now he's wanting to act like we're bad fans because we don't think the Nucks are a better team than the Wings. If I went to the Nucks site, I wouldn't expect anyone there to agree with me, but if I said that losing Hasek would be comparable to losing Luongo, I would expect to be called an idiot. Point here is saying losing their defenseman is comparable to the Wings losing their top 4 at once, especially including Willie Mitchell in that argument is , hell I dont know what to call it other than homerism at its best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Then I retract my anointing of this forum as the "classiest in the NHL". But I was half way there anyway. The numerous comments that suggest that the Canucks are not a class organization already had me second-guessing that compliment I made. But again, I won't let a poor showing from a few people sway me that easily. It is true though, losing on a regular basis is a better indicator of a fanbase and their "patience" I don't know who pissed in your Wheaties this morning, but you are completely missing the sarcasm/joking that is going on. Geez, your team had a convincing victory TWO DAYS AGO. Why the sour grapes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 so now he's wanting to act like we're bad fans because we don't think the Nucks are a better team than the Wings. You might want to cite a quote of mine where I said that. I'll save you the time. I didn't say that. I wouldn't say that. And I don't believe that. I did suggest that the Wings secondary scoring is thin, (as many of you also suggest) and that without Lidstrom and Rafalski leading the break-out, that the Wings become mere mortals like the rest of us. My beef has been this "Our injuries are worse than your injuries were" argument. I didn't whine about our injuries at the time, and yes possibly because we actually managed to win a few games while we were banged up. Point here is saying losing their defenseman is comparable to the Wings losing their top 4 at once, especially including Willie Mitchell in that argument is , hell I dont know what to call it other than homerism at its best. I don't know what it is you're not getting. We also lost our top 4. And Willie Mitchell is the best defensive defenceman on the Canucks. Anyone who claims that he's a scrub does not know hockey. Sorry dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) I don't know who pissed in your Wheaties this morning, but you are completely missing the sarcasm/joking that is going on. Geez, your team had a convincing victory TWO DAYS AGO. Why the sour grapes? I guess I'm just a little disappointed. Now, with some people putting down the Canucks organization and arrogantly claiming the Wings organization is better, I'm, as I said, a little disappointed. I guess when you say a forum is the best, there's only way direction to go from there -- right? No one has yet this addressed this comment of mine... "And no one has addressed my contention that the Wings starting stinking up the joint before they were really hit by the injury bug. Is this true or not?" I gotta go. I'm already running late being here. Edited February 25, 2008 by One of the Few Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 The only difference I see is the difference in opinion we have, mainly from Kronwall on down. But I congratulate you on the fact that you have an opinion. I have one too, but to argue back and forth based on opinion, to me, is like banging me head against a wall. You can keep banging and whining, "Oh we're injured, WE ARE INJURED!". Suck it up princess because it happens to everyone. Truly good teams find a way to win, even when they're injured, and this forum is littered with posts about the fact that past a few top key players, the Wings are very thin. Now you're finding out just how thin you are. Also, if I were compiling such a detailed list as you did, I'd be sure to get it right. You forgot Bieksa. He was injured longer than anyone this year. And no one has addressed my contention that the Wings starting stinking up the joint before they were really hit by the injury bug. Is this true or not? You know, if the situation were reversed regarding Saturday's game, I would've said to you something to the effect of, "Congrats dude, you deserved the win, sure we're injured but injuries are part of the game and all teams face them, again congrats, you were the better team tonight." The true test of a persons character is not taken when times are good, it is best taken when times are tough. Some of you guys are flunkin' out. You implied the Wings' injuries had little effect on the level of play. I responded that you didn't understand the level of injury affecting the team if that were the case. And I didn't forget Bieksa. I just feel that leading up to his injury his player had been pretty ineffective and that this season he has been outplayed by six Canuck defensemen...therefore he wasn't included as a top sixer. I'd like to hear your list of how the defensemen on the two teams stack up as you seem to disagree with my assessment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 You might want to cite a quote of mine where I said that. I'll save you the time. I didn't say that. I wouldn't say that. And I don't believe that. I did suggest that the Wings secondary scoring is thin, (as many of you also suggest) and that without Lidstrom and Rafalski leading the break-out, that the Wings become mere mortals like the rest of us. My beef has been this "Our injuries are worse than your injuries were" argument. I didn't whine about our injuries at the time, and yes possibly because we actually managed to win a few games while we were banged up. I don't know what it is you're not getting. We also lost our top 4. And Willie Mitchell is the best defensive defenceman on the Canucks. Anyone who claims that he's a scrub does not know hockey. Sorry dude. Willie Mitchell is the best defensive defenseman on the Canucks. But he would be probably the fifth best defensive defenseman on the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 And no one has addressed my contention that the Wings starting stinking up the joint before they were really hit by the injury bug. Is this true or not? I think it truly started when Cleary got injured. From there, it just snowballed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 I wouldn't say the Wings have been stinking up anything; we've been injured and we've lost games that we may well have won but for some stinky, flukey goals against, lots of goal posts. Some of the most insanely jealous fans I've had the misfortune of speaking with were Nucks fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 I guess I'm just a little disappointed. Now, with some people putting down the Canucks organization and arrogantly claiming the Wings organization is better, I'm, as I said, a little disappointed. I guess when you say a forum is the best, there's only way direction to go from there -- right? No one has yet this addressed this comment of mine... "And no one has addressed my contention that the Wings starting stinking up the joint before they were really hit by the injury bug. Is this true or not?" I gotta go. I'm already running late being here. yeah and I have to say that some of you Canuck fans at Gm place had no class. I was at the game in my Stevie Y jersey and they started making fun and saying he sucked... Now that's classy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chairman Maouth 97 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 You implied the Wings' injuries had little effect on the level of play. I responded that you didn't understand the level of injury affecting the team if that were the case. No I didn't. I implied that you guys should stop leaning on injuries as an excuse when other teams like the Canucks have also suffered devastating injuries and managed to win a few games. Besides, as someone above pointed out, Detroit's woes began with the loss of Dan Cleary. You might have a tougher time explaining to me how losing that 1 player started the Wings current skid. Let's get back for a moment to what started this huge discussion we're involved in now. Some people here pointed out that they thought the Canucks were lame for celebrating a win over an injured Detroit team (or words to that effect). All I'm saying is that a win is a win, this was not an exhibition game, it was worth 2 points and Detroit isn't the only team that has had to face injuries. The Canucks have also had more than their fair share of injuries this year, so suck it up because you're not the first team to face adversity when it comes to injured players. Besides, people suggesting that the Canucks, (or their fans) should not celebrate their wins is ludicrous. But now, I feel like we've gotten a little side-tracked from the comments of mine which sparked this discussion. We won -- let us celebrate -- yes you were hurt -- but you're not the only team that's ever been hurt. And I didn't forget Bieksa. I just feel that leading up to his injury his player had been pretty ineffective and that this season he has been outplayed by six Canuck defensemen...therefore he wasn't included as a top sixer. The entire Canucks defence sucked through October and we hardly won a game. By the time Bieksa was injured, (early November) they (including Bieksa) were all playing much better. I'd like to hear your list of how the defensemen on the two teams stack up as you seem to disagree with my assessment. I think your top 2 are better, after that, the Canucks defence is deeper, with arguably 2 or 3 Canucks being as good as Kronwall. The thing is, with the Canucks, it doesn't really drop off anywhere in the top 5. Ohlund, Mitchell, Bieksa, Salo, and Edler are all excellent defencemen and any one of them could be top 2 on many teams. That's what I'm talking about with depth. Plus, everyone after them has also been playing well. No one is stinking up the joint. You can argue that the Canucks lack offensive punch, and I would agree, but defense, the team is set for a few years and with Bieksa and Edler's emergence is only going to get better. yeah and I have to say that some of you Canuck fans at Gm place had no class. I was at the game in my Stevie Y jersey and they started making fun and saying he sucked... Now that's classy And of course I'm going to take your word for that, you, who I don't know and have never met before and don't think I've ever talked to before. But let's say all that is true..... You go into a rival's building wearing your teams jersey -- that makes you the person making the opening statement to Canucks fans; you're not a fan of the Canucks, you're a fan of the team they're playing against tonight. I would hope that they'd treat you with respect, and I expect that they probably did (with Steve being a native British Columbian) but I also expect that they might have ribbed you a little, all in good nature of course. Now you're here and you see a chance to stick it to a Canucks fan, (me) because someone told you, "Stevie sucks". Good luck making me feel bad about that. You might've had a case if you got drenched in beer, your lights punched out, and posted the photos of your wet and battered face here to prove it, otherwise, you saying that someone hurt your sensitive feelings to me is like a night watching Comedy Central. Comedy Central can also be quite funny. Look, there are assholes all over place. I bet I could even find quite a few in the Joe, but this lame old tactic of picking out isolated incidents in order to judge an entire fanbase (and that's what you're doing) is just that, lame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 No I didn't. I implied that you guys should stop leaning on injuries as an excuse when other teams like the Canucks have also suffered devastating injuries and managed to win a few games. Besides, as someone above pointed out, Detroit's woes began with the loss of Dan Cleary. You might have a tougher time explaining to me how losing that 1 player started the Wings current skid. Let's get back for a moment to what started this huge discussion we're involved in now. Some people here pointed out that they thought the Canucks were lame for celebrating a win over an injured Detroit team (or words to that effect). All I'm saying is that a win is a win, this was not an exhibition game, it was worth 2 points and Detroit isn't the only team that has had to face injuries. The Canucks have also had more than their fair share of injuries this year, so suck it up because you're not the first team to face adversity when it comes to injured players. Besides, people suggesting that the Canucks, (or their fans) should not celebrate their wins is ludicrous. But now, I feel like we've gotten a little side-tracked from the comments of mine which sparked this discussion. We won -- let us celebrate -- yes you were hurt -- but you're not the only team that's ever been hurt. The entire Canucks defence sucked through October and we hardly won a game. By the time Bieksa was injured, (early November) they (including Bieksa) were all playing much better. I think your top 2 are better, after that, the Canucks defence is deeper, with arguably 2 or 3 Canucks being as good as Kronwall. The thing is, with the Canucks, it doesn't really drop off anywhere in the top 5. Ohlund, Mitchell, Bieksa, Salo, and Edler are all excellent defencemen and any one of them could be top 2 on many teams. That's what I'm talking about with depth. Plus, everyone after them has also been playing well. No one is stinking up the joint. You can argue that the Canucks lack offensive punch, and I would agree, but defense, the team is set for a few years and with Bieksa and Edler's emergence is only going to get better. And of course I'm going to take your word for that, you, who I don't know and have never met before and don't think I've ever talked to before. But let's say all that is true..... You go into a rival's building wearing your teams jersey -- that makes you the person making the opening statement to Canucks fans; you're not a fan of the Canucks, you're a fan of the team they're playing against tonight. I would hope that they'd treat you with respect, and I expect that they probably did (with Steve being a native British Columbian) but I also expect that they might have ribbed you a little, all in good nature of course. Now you're here and you see a chance to stick it to a Canucks fan, (me) because someone told you, "Stevie sucks". Good luck making me feel bad about that. You might've had a case if you got drenched in beer, your lights punched out, and posted the photos of your wet and battered face here to prove it, otherwise, you saying that someone hurt your sensitive feelings to me is like a night watching Comedy Central. Comedy Central can also be quite funny. Look, there are assholes all over place. I bet I could even find quite a few in the Joe, but this lame old tactic of picking out isolated incidents in order to judge an entire fanbase (and that's what you're doing) is just that, lame. Read my original post, i didn't say all of you at all.. I cleary said SOME FANS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
