Khan: Filppula Going Nowhere

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Filppula is going to be a superstar in a few years? Take off the rose colored glasses folks...

No but he'll be a solid two-way player who can score around 20 goals a year. Pretty valuable if you ask me, especially at his age.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Filppula is going to be a superstar in a few years? Take off the rose colored glasses folks...

Yeah, really. I mean, Filppula has the potential to be a 20-25 goal, possibly making him a good 2nd line player (which would finally give this team secondary scoring), but the tearm superstar is really ballparking it.

Look at it this way: Ovechkin is a superstar; Kovalchuk is a superstar; Lecavalier is a superstar. Can you really compare Filppula to those players?

Edited February 26, 2008 by Kp-Wings

[Kp-Wings 3]

double post

Edited February 26, 2008 by Kp-Wings

[chrisdetroit 189]

If Fillpulla's going nowhere, then the Wings are going nowhere. Without him any kind of Hossa deal is highly unlikely, meaning that we'll still have chumps playing on our 2nd line.

If you thought that we would get in a bidding war for Hossa when he is just a rental then you are on crack. And if you thought that Kenny would let Flip go, you haven't been watching many games.

The price for Hossa is just too high and with Sundin and Blake not moving, Hossa's price is even more.

[therock48880 14]

I doubt if Flips going anywhere also, especially when you hear that Hossa wants 9-10 mill. However, IF he was on the trade block, do you really think Holland, Babcock, etc.. would say he was? That'd be a great way to drive his value down.

[Grittzkey 1]

IDC WHAT HAPPENS JUST GIVE ME A DAMN TRADE

[Guest Jeremy88]

“Guys like Val Filppula and (Johan) Franzen, they’re not going anywhere, I can tell you that right now,” Babcock said.

What does Babcock see in this guy? Other than getting like 10 goals this season, he's done nothing.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Filppula is going to be a superstar in a few years? Take off the rose colored glasses folks...

Sorry that he's not big or Canadian but those are the only 2 things that he is lacking. Watch him sometime. Or better yet, forget what we think, perhaps Kenny and Babs know something that you don't.

[Red Winged 8]

I'm glad Filp isnt going anywhere.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Filppula is going to be a superstar in a few years? Take off the rose colored glasses folks...

Exactly. As if we didn't hear enough crap earlier about how Hudler will score 40 goals in a season.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

What does Babcock see in this guy? Other than getting like 10 goals this season, he's done nothing.

Are you being serious? You obviously don't watch him without the puck. He is one of the top defensive players on the team and one of the top penalty killers. From mid-January via Bruce Macleod "The shut-down forward has become Johan Franzen. Opponents average less than 1 goal per 60 minutes (tops on the team) of even-strength time with Franzenstein on the ice. (The Red Wings have outscored opponents 15-7 with Franzen out there.) It's not surprising. In Franzen's first season in Detroit, he was clearly the most effective penalty killer among forwards."

[miller76 463]

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That’s according to Khan(!), who blogged from the evil depths of Rexall today.

Also worth noting that, as rumors swirl prior to Tuesday’s 3 p.m. trade deadline, Babcock said Valtteri Filppula isn’t going anywhere. He had been rumored as possible trade bait for Atlanta’s Marian Hossa. Filppula was back on a line with Pavel Datsyuk and Tomas Holmstrom in practice.

Believable? Yes. Could Babcock by lying? Yes. Gut tells you? Fil’s staying.

And from Helene St. James’ blog,

“Guys like Val Filppula and (Johan) Franzen, they’re not going anywhere, I can tell you that right now,” Babcock said.

And how about “guys like Hudler, Kopecky or Lebda?” No word on that...yet.

That would be good news, and for Hudler and the rest, "f*** ya later" If you cant produce get the f*** out!

[Copenhagen848 58]

Lol, the whiny thread guy just wanted to post something. Anyways, that's done with.

I'm glad Filp's not going anywhere but I reaaaaaaaaaaaally want Hossa, which right now looks to be NOT happening.

Yeah but people were saying the same thing about Bertuzzi last year.

I'm excited....I'm leaving to work my midnight shift right now, then I come home, go to bed, and wake up around 3pm. So, when I wake up I'll find out what (if anything) happened

[russianswede919293 95]

If Fillpulla's going nowhere, then the Wings are going nowhere. Without him any kind of Hossa deal is highly unlikely, meaning that we'll still have chumps playing on our 2nd line.

When the Wings win the cup without the H word, I expect you all to eat your crow...

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

When the Wings win the cup without the H word, I expect you all to eat your crow...

I'll eat it gladly with tabasco sauce if I have to, but you're wrong, unless there's some other big deadline deal that we're all omitting to discuss with Sundin and Hossa out of the picture.

[Rice 42]

I'll eat it gladly with tabasco sauce if I have to, but you're wrong, unless there's some other big deadline deal that we're all omitting to discuss with Sundin and Hossa out of the picture.

Hossa's not out of the picture.

[Dabura 12,232]

If you thought that we would get in a bidding war for Hossa when he is just a rental then you are on crack.

And if you think he's just a rental despite all the signs pointing to him wanting a long-term deal, you're on crack.

I was going to hold off on coming back here until tomorrow, but I'm sitting in an office bored out of my skull.

Point being, SOMEONE TRADE SOMEONE ALREADY.

[russianswede919293 95]

By no means do I think that Filppula is as good as Datsyuk, nor do I think he will be, but for the sake of comparison:

Datsyuk's rookie year (24 years old): 70 GP 11 G 24 A 35 P

Filppula's rookie year (22 years old): 73 GP 10 G 7 A 17 P

Winner Datsyuk at 2 years older

Datsyuk's second year (25 years old): 64 GP 12 G 39 A 51 P

Filppula's second year SO FAR (23 years old): 64 GP 16 G 12 A 28 P

Winner Datsyuk, yet Filppula is on pace to have a season comparable to Datsyuk's rookie season when he was one year older than Filppula is now. And Datsyuk didn't score as many goals as Filppula has this year in either of his first 2 years, and he was older.

So although I am NOT saying Filppula is the next Datsyuk, I am saying that he is still young and his statistics are comparable to what Datsyuk's were when he is in at a younger age. He will not be a first line center, but he will be a great 2nd line player... and I for one would like to see what he becomes...

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Yeah, really. I mean, Filppula has the potential to be a 20-25 goal, possibly making him a good 2nd line player (which would finally give this team secondary scoring), but the tearm superstar is really ballparking it.

Look at it this way: Ovechkin is a superstar; Kovalchuk is a superstar; Lecavalier is a superstar. Can you really compare Filppula to those players?

If that's the definition of a superstar, which is entirely subjective but I'd say it is fairly accurate to me, Flipper won't become that anytime soon. A consistent 20 goal scorer at least in the next few seasons upcoming is fairly realistic I think.

I'm glad that Flipper and Franzen aren't going anywhere it seems. I'm really starting to like Franzen a lot. He could throw the body around a little more but he's turning into a solid PKer I think and he'll show some offensive flair infrequently.

I don't share the discontent that others often show towards Samuelsson and Hudler of late, but they have barely done squat lately so I understand if they are part of a trade package.

[Dabura 12,232]

Flip won't be as good as Datsyuk. He'll blossom into a great, great player wherever he plays, but he'll never reach Datsyuk-like heights.

That's the big reason why I consider him tradeable in the pursuit of a goal-scorer -- we already have a superior playmaker in that mold. But a big, speedy, pure goal-scorer like you-know-who? Not really.

[russianswede919293 95]

Flip won't be as good as Datsyuk. He'll blossom into a great, great player wherever he plays, but he'll never reach Datsyuk-like heights.

That's the big reason why I consider him tradeable in the pursuit of a goal-scorer -- we already have a superior playmaker in that mold. But a big, speedy, pure goal-scorer like you-know-who? Not really.

I 100% agree that he will never be as good as Datsyuk...I was just pointing out that he has scored more goals now this year than Datsyuk did in his first 2 seasons, Datsyuk had more points though because he is a better all around player. Filppula will turn into a consistant 20-30 goal scorer depending on the year, and will only get about 20-30 assists as well.

In short he is a 50-60 point man on a yearly basis, I'll take that on the second line/second PP any day of the week.

[Yemack 1]

like the facebook stalker said, Filppula will lift the Cup in Detroit.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

I 100% agree that he will never be as good as Datsyuk...I was just pointing out that he has scored more goals now this year than Datsyuk did in his first 2 seasons, Datsyuk had more points though because he is a better all around player. Filppula will turn into a consistant 20-30 goal scorer depending on the year, and will only get about 20-30 assists as well.

In short he is a 50-60 point man on a yearly basis, I'll take that on the second line/second PP any day of the week.

i just don't see why we need all of these small playmakers around. we have guys that do what fil or hudler can do only a lot better. we need a goal scorer.

[Dabura 12,232]

I 100% agree that he will never be as good as Datsyuk...I was just pointing out that he has scored more goals now this year than Datsyuk did in his first 2 seasons, Datsyuk had more points though because he is a better all around player. Filppula will turn into a consistant 20-30 goal scorer depending on the year, and will only get about 20-30 assists as well.

In short he is a 50-60 point man on a yearly basis, I'll take that on the second line/second PP any day of the week.

Well obviously we've been over this before, but just to reiterate, I'd rather have someone who can fill a legitimate, hugely important hole on this roster than someone who will do pretty well in a role that's already being served very, very well by someone else on the team. I like Flip a lot and I'd love to see him stay a Wing for a long time. But if someone like you-know-who can be had for him, that's just an absolute no-brainer deal.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Sorry that he's not big or Canadian but those are the only 2 things that he is lacking. Watch him sometime. Or better yet, forget what we think, perhaps Kenny and Babs know something that you don't.

Yeah because I said he was worthless and should be traded for a bag of pucks... Did you take it upon yourself to be LGW resident ******* or something? If theres on thing I can't stand, its when people take an argument to ridiculous heights, which is exactly what youre doing: I say hes not a superstar, and yet you act like I said he was a steaming pile...

Anyways, the point here is that hes being just a tad bit overrated by folks on this board who are all ready to crown him as the next Henrik Zetterberg. In Hanks second year, he mightve hit 60 points if it werent for the leg injury, and he had all the makings to do that when he went down. My biggest problem with Flip is that I just dont see those natural offensive instincts in him that Hank and Datsyuk have. Knowing where to go to make the offensive play, knowing when to shoot versus when to pass - he just hasnt caught on to this things yet. Sure, he can work on developing his instincts, but I think theres only so much you can make up versus that which is inherent.

That being said, I do think Flip has the overall skill to put up 20-25 goals once he develops more fully, but hell never be the 30-40, 80-100 point guy that some people think hes just going to turn into overnight. Hes a defensive forward at heart, with the skills of a second line player. IMO, I expect him to be a 20g, 60pt player over his career. Definitely worth a lot, but when you have the chance to trade him for a bona fide superstar, his potential takes a back seat..

Edited February 26, 2008 by YoungGuns1340