Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) ...chris simon should grieve his 30 game suspension for his loss of pay. Same stomp, same intent, should be same suspension. Clear as day. Duck Guy I am disappointed in you. Did you want to see a severed artery before the league does something? If his artery was severed, this man could have died from loss of blood. Does the fact that, luckily, there was no injury, change that fact? It's not like Pronger fell and accdently stomp on him, he stomped on him on purpose, with intent to injure. But, just like most of the things Chris Pronger tries to do, he failed in his attempt. Someone should stomp on his face... i dont want to see anyone injured. I am just saying i think simon's incident was much worse. And i know if i thought pronger should of been suspended i would of said so. Iam not TOTALLY consumed of homerness. Edited March 14, 2008 by Duck Guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Must Kill 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 this doesnt suprise me at all, im in st louis and some of my friends are blues fans and they wont even defend his ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 it doesent matter if it was 1mph or 100 mph shot he shot the puck while the buzzer was going off (about a second or so) it is not like he started the shot before the buzzer. and who cares if it was at the end or start of the game. And lets not make a pronger thread into a "ZOMG GIGUERE HAS NO SKILL HIS PADS WON THE CUP FOR HIM AND HE HAS NO SKILL BECAUSE HE DOES NOT FLOP AROUND LIKE A FISH OUT OF WATER" And you dont know what he would of done if it was another player. Just sometimes man..... And i cant believe people are comparing this to simon's inccident that had to be at least 10000 times more vicious then what pronger did. :ranting: I always thought you were a pretty knowledgable hockey fan and your post were suprisingly intelligent. All that is gone now. 1st and foremost how in the f*** is Simon's stomp any differant then Pronger's stomp. It was the same stomping motion. Go watch both video's side by side and tell me they both don't do the same exact thing. The only differance is Pronger felt like he did not get him good enough the first time. Your as big an idiot as the rest of the duck fans. Just a couple weeks ago all the duck fans were whinning and bitching that pronger got punched in the face with his broken jaw. The ducks are the dirtiest team on the ice. If anything happens to the ducks it is karma, I just find it funny that when it does you start crying for action. I hate the ducks team, I highly dislike the fans. I just cannot believe the ridiculous spew thats coming from your mouth. Simon's was 10000 times more vicious, wow. I am amazed that the same exact ******* thing can be viewed any differantly. I never hope for injury to a player but I hope that Pronger's career is ended with injury. He can take Simon with him. The ducks are a very low class club. Crying about Lowe taking Penner then having two players sit out for half a season. Go back to the ducks forum. Stay there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 pronger did not get suspended because there was no injury not because of his all star status. If there was a injury there would of been a suspension. Like in the West conf. when Holms got hit if there was no injury then he would of not of been suspended. That shouldn't matter, because this isn't a civil trial where you have to show damages. The league doesn't want someone doing this again, because the next time somebody could be hurt. Unfortunately, the 0 game suspension isn't going to deter anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Asides from a better camera angle, I do not think this was "not as bad as Simon's stomping". Again, stomping a calf is ten times more dangerous than stomping a skate. Neither looked terribly malicious to me, but more of a "I am so annoyed with you, I'll just step on you a$$" -- but the fact is, despite your intent, that is an incredibly dangerous thing to do. Those blades are razor sharp and we have seen a few near-fatalaties from accidental cuts. The NHL came down hard on Simon and sent a message, despite there was no injury and despite that I really do not think Simon was hoping to slice of a foot or anything. Now we have almost the exact same situation and there is nothing? This is the type of incident that can lead to a Bertuzzi/Moore altercation. The league refuses to take any action so the players might. How do you get back at someone who literally tried to stomp a player?? ... I dunno, maybe someone will shank him out there in the middle of a scrum? But the point is, it could get ugly... I almost feel the league should have handed out something just to protect Pronger a bit... it's not like he is the most popular guy out there on the ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Pronger went after him because he clearly shot the puck after the buzzer like a dumb a$$. That is one of those things you should never do. Gotta agree with Duck Guy on this one. Dont get me wrong...Pronger is a complete dumbass, but he had every right to go after him on this particular play. You don't shoot the puck after the whistle has not only blown, but *clearly* blown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 pronger did not get suspended because there was no injury not because of his all star status. If there was a injury there would of been a suspension. Like in the West conf. when Holms got hit if there was no injury then he would of not of been suspended. Regardless of whether being injured plays a role in determining whether a player gets suspended or not, there should be *NO* argument that it should hold no bearing. Pronger deserved his suspension last year regardless of whether or not he injured Homer. It was a cheapshot, and Pronger is well known for those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Campbell's statement on handing down the thirty-day suspension to Simon: “Several factors were considered in imposing the longest suspension in NHL history for an on-ice incident. While it was fortunate there was no serious injury to Mr. Ruutu as a result of Simon’s action, the deliberate act of kicking an opponent with an exposed skate blade, especially where the opponent is in a vulnerable position, is and always has been a repugnant and totally unacceptable act in the game of hockey. “In addition, while the act itself was extremely dangerous, the fact that this is the eighth incident requiring the imposition of supplementary discipline on Simon compelled me to impose a very severe penalty in this case. When a player repeatedly evidences the lack of ability to control his actions and conducts himself in total disregard of the rules, as well the health and safety of other players on the ice, each subsequent incident is deserving of enhanced scrutiny and more severe discipline. This response serves not only the purpose of imposing appropriate punishment for the player involved, but also the purpose of deterring the player and all other players from engaging in similar conduct in the future - hopefully creating a safer long-term work environment for all NHL players.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Campbell's statement on handing down the thirty-day suspension to Simon: “Several factors were considered in imposing the longest suspension in NHL history for an on-ice incident. While it was fortunate there was no serious injury to Mr. Ruutu as a result of Simon’s action, the deliberate act of kicking an opponent with an exposed skate blade, especially where the opponent is in a vulnerable position, is and always has been a repugnant and totally unacceptable act in the game of hockey. “In addition, while the act itself was extremely dangerous, the fact that this is the eighth incident requiring the imposition of supplementary discipline on Simon compelled me to impose a very severe penalty in this case. When a player repeatedly evidences the lack of ability to control his actions and conducts himself in total disregard of the rules, as well the health and safety of other players on the ice, each subsequent incident is deserving of enhanced scrutiny and more severe discipline. This response serves not only the purpose of imposing appropriate punishment for the player involved, but also the purpose of deterring the player and all other players from engaging in similar conduct in the future - hopefully creating a safer long-term work environment for all NHL players.” Wow! If that isn't the kettle calling the pot black, I don't know what is. :nonono: Edited March 14, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Gotta agree with Duck Guy on this one. Dont get me wrong...Pronger is a complete dumbass, but he had every right to go after him on this particular play. You don't shoot the puck after the whistle has not only blown, but *clearly* blown. Of course, go after him... send a message, deliver a brutal hit or even fight him. All legal in hockey. But it obviously does not pardon bringing your skate down on him. I don't care if Kesler gave Pronger a wet-willy right on the ice (I hate those)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Holy crap -- I hadn't even seen this second video until now. It's even worse than I thought. Ok, you might be able to argue the first stomp was accidental, but the second? Can anyone watch this video and say it was not intentional? Edited March 14, 2008 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Of course, go after him... send a message, deliver a brutal hit or even fight him. All legal in hockey. But it obviously does not pardon bringing your skate down on him. I don't care if Kesler gave Pronger a wet-willy right on the ice (I hate those)! I wasn't talking about the stomping incident. I was referring to the Handzus shot after the whistle incident, which Pronger had every right to go after him after that. As for the stomping incident, I've posted in this thread easily 5 times saying how complete BS it is that Pronger not only did that, but the league let him get away with it. Don't be so quick to type, because you obviously didn't know which incident I was referring to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Chris Simon stomped on Ruutu's foot/skate where there is significantly more protection than a calf, which is where Pronger stomped on Kesler. Depending on where Kesler was stomped, the only protection that may have been there is a sock. A SOCK. If, for instance, you were in the kitchen and accidentally dropped, say, a knife on your foot, what would you prefer to be covering your foot - a sock or a shoe? Colin Campbell is in Brian Burke's pocket, simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Never forget Mac: Totally read that out of context... apologies. Anaheim view of the incident: http://mvn.com/nhl-ducks/2008/03/13/pronge...ersy-that-isnt/ Duck's fans are posting Pronger should sue TSN for attempting to villify him. Edited March 14, 2008 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Holy crap -- I hadn't even seen this second video until now. It's even worse than I thought. Ok, you might be able to argue the first stomp was accidental, but the second? Can anyone watch this video and say it was not intentional? That clip is pretty damning. Well, to anyone with eyes, at least. "I'm blind! I'm deaf! I wanna be Director of Hockey Operations!" Yeah, doesn't have quite the same ring... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Holy crap -- I hadn't even seen this second video until now. It's even worse than I thought. Ok, you might be able to argue the first stomp was accidental, but the second? Can anyone watch this video and say it was not intentional? With the first video that was released yesterday I can see why the league didn't punish Pronger simply due to how foggy the clip was (even though it still looked like a malicious move). This however is beyond damning evidence. There is no excuse for the league to let him get away with this. I'm embarrassed for the NHL today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Looks like McKenzie's backpedaling now with the new video clip and even HE can see now that Pronger should have been suspended. http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=231994 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Holy crap indeed! That second angle shows it was completely intentional. Odd how the NHL came out on this so early saying there would be no suspension at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Holy crap indeed! That second angle shows it was completely intentional. Odd how the NHL came out on this so early saying there would be no suspension at all. One of these days, we'll stop being surprised when stuff like this happens. Until then... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) One of these days, we'll stop being surprised when stuff like this happens. Until then... Yeah, with the first footage, it looked like it was probably intentional, though I could understand some excuse for them not suspending based on that footage alone. With this second angle though, there's no excuse. There's also no excuse for them announcing so fast there would be no suspension. I'm not positive, but it seems like word was out Pronger would not be suspended much faster than they came out with the Laraque suspension. Edited March 14, 2008 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenrikRules40 14 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Holy crap -- I hadn't even seen this second video until now. It's even worse than I thought. Ok, you might be able to argue the first stomp was accidental, but the second? Can anyone watch this video and say it was not intentional? *speechless* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 I'm not positive, but it seems like word was out Pronger would not be suspended much faster than they came out with the Laraque suspension. It definitely was, by nearly an hour. No NHL discipline for Pronger's stomp TSN.ca Staff 3/13/2008 7:12:58 PM vs. Laraque suspended three games TSN.ca Staff 3/13/2008 8:03:36 PM I swear, I'm really turning into a conspiracy nut over this. And I don't like it one bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
commadore183 103 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) Holy crap -- I hadn't even seen this second video until now. It's even worse than I thought. Ok, you might be able to argue the first stomp was accidental, but the second? Can anyone watch this video and say it was not intentional? Beyond any reasonable doubt, right there. Is it possible for the NHL to come back to this, after such damning evidence? Or is the entire hockey league screwed over by the league's fellating of Pronger? Edited March 14, 2008 by commadore183 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 Why wouldn't the NHL have access to that video though??? Sure, the public might not see it until much later, but I have a hard time believing it was not made available to the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nero 20 Report post Posted March 14, 2008 How was Laraque's elbow in relation to Pronger's elbow against Dean McAmmond last post-season? That was a pretty brutal and blatant cheap shot and Pronger only got a single game for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
