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I have to say I'm surprised that there's so much love for Bure. When did he become a better player than Fedorov? He had a shorter career, wasn't much of a setup man and was widely seen as a cherry picker. He was a great talent, but he wasn't better than Fedorov. I'm not even that big of a Fedorov fan, but Sergei was phenomenal at all facets of the game. Bure could score. That's it.

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the year Federov was drafted 89, the wings were not a dominate force, in fact they didn't get that way until after bure went to the finals in 94. You'll recall we got swept by the sharks that year and several other painful playoff losses before that.

Also, Bure may have been great to watch, that doesn't make him great by default.

Look, in retrospect Bure did not have a better career than Fedorov nor was he anything close to the complete player that Fedorov was. Fedorov was the better all around player and therefore the better player.

Still, Fedorov played on better teams with better players earlier in his career. And Bure was injury plagued by the time he had moved on to other teams that had better supporting casts, by then he was simply not the same weapon.

But Fedorov was not in the same class from a pure goal scoring ability that Bure was, that's all i'm saying. Bure's come around very seldom. Think Kovalchuk and Ovechkin. That's about it.

Bure's 12 years in the league

.622 goals/game Fedorov .397 and plummeting.

Fedorov's first 12 years in the league .439 goals per game

Playoffs

Bure

.547 goals/game

Feds

.309 goals/game

Seriously, i'm not going to change anybody's mind here and i'm not trying to prove Bure was better because clearly Fedorov is one of the best all around players ever.

But Fedorov could not hold a candle to Bure's ability to score goals and Frankly there are maybe only a handful of players ever since then that even come close with AO being the most recent.

I watch videos of Bure and I can't imagine how fast he must've been going. I never got to see him in live so I'll never know but i've never seen anybody move that fast ever. Maybe Mike Gartner during speed skating trials but in game, no way. Bure is the fastest I ever saw.

This is what i'm talking about (note Cliff Ronning's comments about Bure's speed...and Ronning was no slow poke himself)

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I have to say I'm surprised that there's so much love for Bure. When did he become a better player than Fedorov? He had a shorter career, wasn't much of a setup man and was widely seen as a cherry picker. He was a great talent, but he wasn't better than Fedorov. I'm not even that big of a Fedorov fan, but Sergei was phenomenal at all facets of the game. Bure could score. That's it.

I certainly misspoke if I claimed Bure was better. All i've been saying is that from a goal scoring standpoint he was better than Fedorov. I also think he was the fastest guy i've ever seen on skates, certainly faster than Fedorov.

I did say that if I had the chance, not knowing about injuries or what their career paths were going to lead to, i'd have taken Bure over Fedorov if I had the chance.

Looking at how their careers ended up, of course you'd be a fool not to pick Fedorov over Bure.

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I remember having this debate in 96 with a beer league teammate...and my point then and now was that everytime Bure got the puck...you were at the edge of your seat knowing something was "gonna happen & gonna happen fast so don't blink!"

no, he was not a better player or nearly as complete a package as Fedorov was throughout his career with the Wings, but he sure was fun to watch.

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if we're talking about draft pick selection then Bure goes before Fedorov.

if we're comparing players they've eventually become and their careers - it's Sergei, hands down

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Homer or not, but the three Wings should all be in the top 5 of that draft.

Lidstrom

Fedorov

Sundin/Bure/Konstantinov

As for Bure vs Fedorov, at their best they had comparable offensive numbers, but Fedorov was also winning Selkes at the time. Fedorov easily.

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But Fedorov could not hold a candle to Bure's ability to score goals and Frankly there are maybe only a handful of players ever since then that even come close with AO being the most recent.

I watch videos of Bure and I can't imagine how fast he must've been going. I never got to see him in live so I'll never know but i've never seen anybody move that fast ever. Maybe Mike Gartner during speed skating trials but in game, no way. Bure is the fastest I ever saw.

Oh no doubt man,

i was just giving you crap with that youtube video. Iv'e seen video's of Bure that leave me shaking my head at how fast he is with the puck. He was easily one of the most exciting players to ever play the game.

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Look, in retrospect Bure did not have a better career than Fedorov nor was he anything close to the complete player that Fedorov was. Fedorov was the better all around player and therefore the better player.

Still, Fedorov played on better teams with better players earlier in his career. And Bure was injury plagued by the time he had moved on to other teams that had better supporting casts, by then he was simply not the same weapon.

But Fedorov was not in the same class from a pure goal scoring ability that Bure was, that's all i'm saying. Bure's come around very seldom. Think Kovalchuk and Ovechkin. That's about it.

Bure's 12 years in the league

.622 goals/game Fedorov .397 and plummeting.

Fedorov's first 12 years in the league .439 goals per game

Playoffs

Bure

.547 goals/game

Feds

.309 goals/game

Seriously, i'm not going to change anybody's mind here and i'm not trying to prove Bure was better because clearly Fedorov is one of the best all around players ever.

But Fedorov could not hold a candle to Bure's ability to score goals and Frankly there are maybe only a handful of players ever since then that even come close with AO being the most recent.

I watch videos of Bure and I can't imagine how fast he must've been going. I never got to see him in live so I'll never know but i've never seen anybody move that fast ever. Maybe Mike Gartner during speed skating trials but in game, no way. Bure is the fastest I ever saw.

This is what i'm talking about (note Cliff Ronning's comments about Bure's speed...and Ronning was no slow poke himself)

As far as goal scoring, yes, Bure was better. But not by as much as the numbers might suggest; Fedorov often gave the puck to a teammate with a better opportunity even when he probably could have scored himself.

As for speed..you do realize that the second fastest time ever posted in a fastest skater competition at the NHL level- All-Star or otherwise- was posted by Sergei Fedorov, right? He did it in 1996. He tied Mike Gartner's then-record. Gartner would step onto the ice for the next heat and break it. Nobody else has even come close to those marks since. Not Bure, Niedermayer, Bondra, Kapanen, Guerin, or anyone else.

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I certainly misspoke if I claimed Bure was better. All i've been saying is that from a goal scoring standpoint he was better than Fedorov. I also think he was the fastest guy i've ever seen on skates, certainly faster than Fedorov.

I did say that if I had the chance, not knowing about injuries or what their career paths were going to lead to, i'd have taken Bure over Fedorov if I had the chance.

Looking at how their careers ended up, of course you'd be a fool not to pick Fedorov over Bure.

I wasn't pointing at you specifically when I asked my question. It was a general statement pointed at the boards. There is a lot of love for him on these boards, this isn't the first thread that has glorified him.

Bure was an electric talent. He could do a lot with the puck and had blazing speed. But if you watch his highlight videos, you notice him hanging out at the redline a lot and getting an outlet pass for a breakaway. He cherrypicked a lot, and he had a reputation for it. He put it in the net when he did that though, so he had that going for him. Bure also didn't have terrible talent around him (Linden, Mogilny, Courtnall, Gelinas, Larionov). Let's not deify him, he was damn good, but even then he was a one-dimensional sniper.

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