IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 So really everyone saying it is bulls*** for some of us to feel he should not get the hart, let me lay some track. First and foremost everyone is entitled to there opinion! Second, I personally feel that there are players in the league that have made a bigger impact in a larger picture sense that the Hart should go to. One MVP should be great at both sides of the ice, Sid or AO has been pretty much one sided players. They are coming around but far from being two way players. As far as getting into the playoff's or not should be taken into consideration since half the f'n league gets in the playoff's, that would mean as MVP of the entire league you should be able to get your team to rise above and be in the better half at least! Definitly if you are the MVP of the league you should be able to make a viable differance for your team not just getting out of the gutter and stuck in the dirty nasty leaves just above it. Contract hit, when comparing Sid and AO the differance is Pitt already has some talent on the team. Caps have very little, hell they can really only run a half of a line. Also I think that some need to stop being so ridiculous to call other peoples opinions bulls*** because thier view is differant then yours. Grow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozac 10 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 Come on, he obviously has the Hart locked up at this point. Who can challenge him? Iginla maybe, that's about it. No way they would give it to Malkin because he has a teammate named Crosby. Although i think Malkin deserves it just as much as Ovechkin, just look at what he did in Crosby's absence. Of course the NHL can always surprise us and give it to Niedermayer. They'll probably give him the Masterson too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 That's flawed logic. In terms of overall greatness, anyway. Gretzky had 120 assists in his 92 goal year. Ovechkin may be more of a pure goal scorer, but it's hard to compare because you have to think Gretzky could have scored a bit more if he wasn't busy setting up 120 goals. It really was a different league back then though. Gretzky had a goal or an assist on 51% of Edmonton's scoring that year, and maintained close to that percentage for many years. Ovechkin has been involved in 47% of his team's goals this year. An amazing feat in itself. Not taking anything away from Ovechkin. Stats don't really directly compare between now and 20 years ago, but Ovechkin is on pace to become one of the great players in the NHL. If he keeps pace for the rest of his career he would be known as the greatest pure goal scorer in history. In 88-89 Mario Lemieux was in on 57% of the Pens goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) In 88-89 Mario Lemieux was in on 57% of the Pens goals. Mario rocks!! EDIT: I guess it should be Mario rockED... Edited March 22, 2008 by SweWings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schulzte 18 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 To all the Ovechkin critics: Please list three players more deserving of the MVP this year. I would like to know who is better, because I don't know of any. Personally, I don't like goalies winning the Hart trophy. Goalies have their own Vezina trophy, and its like baseball with the Cy Young Award. A pitcher should have to be an outlier to win the MVP as well as the Cy Young. Same with goalies; to me a goalie would have to have to be statistically far better than any other goalie to be my choice for the Hart trophy on top of the Vezina trophy. Not saying it should never happen, but it should be rare. Not that goalies are less important, its just different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gizmo 21 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 Who's this OA you speak of? Doh!!! I hate that when that happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drw138 6 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 no disrespect to AO how many times have we heard the wings are only good because of a s***ty division? AO plays in the WORST division ever, and he rips them apart 32 times a year. AO plays in the run and gun east and is NOT a GREAT 2 way player. If you don't even make the playoffs your team is worse than 16 of 30 teams, you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to know that it is a little bit easier scoring goals when you don't care about defense. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the hart, but he is definitly no run-a-way leader. But without my wings glasses on i can't think of anyone else that deserves it. (LIDSTROM - kind of a life acievment award) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 no disrespect to AO how many times have we heard the wings are only good because of a s***ty division? AO plays in the WORST division ever, and he rips them apart 32 times a year. AO plays in the run and gun east and is NOT a GREAT 2 way player. If you don't even make the playoffs your team is worse than 16 of 30 teams, you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to know that it is a little bit easier scoring goals when you don't care about defense. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the hart, but he is definitly no run-a-way leader. But without my wings glasses on i can't think of anyone else that deserves it. (LIDSTROM - kind of a life acievment award) Well said! Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 To all the Ovechkin critics: Please list three players more deserving of the MVP this year. I would like to know who is better, because I don't know of any. Personally, I don't like goalies winning the Hart trophy. Goalies have their own Vezina trophy, and its like baseball with the Cy Young Award. A pitcher should have to be an outlier to win the MVP as well as the Cy Young. Same with goalies; to me a goalie would have to have to be statistically far better than any other goalie to be my choice for the Hart trophy on top of the Vezina trophy. Not saying it should never happen, but it should be rare. Not that goalies are less important, its just different. I don't really feel the need to list three that could replace him. He is deserving for consideration, if his team sneaks that last playoff spot then I could say he gets it. His differance is viable at that point, he made an actual differance for his team. As far as your opinion that goalies should not get the Hart, well there is an opinion, a truly nice thing. Can you name me three awards that goalies could get? J/k. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
58Miles2Joe 12 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to know ... My new favorite mixed metaphor ever, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DenJ91 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) some of you are really reaching to find some reason why ovie shouldn't win it. it's ridiculous. ice munkee, no one went as far to say your words are bulls*** by the way. the red wings play in a weak division, does that mean zetterberg and datsyuk don't deserve credit for being as good as they are?? it's such a dumb argument, ovie plays just as well against any team as do dats and z. capitals will be looking at alot of hardware this season ovie - hart, art ross, richard, pearson backstrom - calder boudreau - jack adams AND i'm gonna say boston will fall out of the playoffs and the caps in. hell if the caps can beat the hurricanes two more times with some help they can grab the 3rd seed still. Edited March 22, 2008 by DenJ91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12Newf 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 ovechkin is the first player to score 60 in 12 years, he has absolutely carried that team and he will likely bring them to the playoffs. he got 4 points last night! the guy is an absolute beast and there is absolutely no way the nhl will deny him the hart because he deserves it more than anyone. im cheering like crazy every night for the caps because he is in my top 3 favourite nhl players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 Good for AO hitting 60, and will easily hit 65 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteLightning91 105 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) no disrespect to AO how many times have we heard the wings are only good because of a s***ty division? AO plays in the WORST division ever, and he rips them apart 32 times a year. AO plays in the run and gun east and is NOT a GREAT 2 way player. If you don't even make the playoffs your team is worse than 16 of 30 teams, you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to know that it is a little bit easier scoring goals when you don't care about defense. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the hart, but he is definitly no run-a-way leader. But without my wings glasses on i can't think of anyone else that deserves it. (LIDSTROM - kind of a life acievment award) I have never understood the logic of poo-pooing someone because of the division they are in. They didn't make the schedule. It's not their fault. So why should we fault them for that? Also, how is he a bad two-way player? I love how you state he is "NOT a GREAT 2 way player" but then fail to provide us with any basis for that argument. If you're going to state that an MVP candidate is poor defensively, yet has a +23 rating on a team that sits 23rd in the league in GAA and has a team average +/- of -18, you should probably back that statement up with something. Now, you said something about Ovechkin not being a good two-way player. Care to explain? Edited March 22, 2008 by WhiteLightning91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingMachine91 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2008 if u watch caps games, like last night for example. the thrashers had their goalie pulled when they were still only down by one with a min to go. who did the coach put out there? thats right AO, the poor defensive player. im pretty sure in a game where you really need a win and cannot afford to lose any points, that you really have to trust the forwards you put out there to kill that last minute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
