Trotz says that Z's goal shouldn't have counted

[awingsincebirth 0]

I thought the official was in the zone. Another complaint they could have had was that one of them (dats or Z) tripped the one d-man that was back.

Meh. Even the guys on TSN said that you can't call that a Trip, and that wouldn't unanimously say that in support of the Wings unless it were 100% true. Their reasoning seemed sound. Maybe (just maybe) at some point in the season that is called a penalty (a reeeeeeally chincy one), but in the playoffs there is no way you can call something that minor a penalty. The more I see it, the more I laugh at the people who complained that it should have been a penalty.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

The bottom line is the refs missed the call. It was offsides and should've been blown dead.

All this crying about a goal for us being taken away earlier in the year is so much crybaby, hypocritial bulls***.

I swear, some Wings fans will say and do anything to legitimize screw ups that are in favor of the wings.

People, just call a ******* spade a spade. This screw up has nothing to do with the past.

The refs missed the call, the play should've been blown dead. It wasn't. We benefited. Be thankful that we did.

Nothing legitimizes the fact that the refs blew this call. Nothing in the past makes this blown call ok. They screwed up. Frankly, I don't care and i'll take it.

I think the beautiful play by Dats AND Z on that goal more than makes up for it Man- that was a highlight reel goal!

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

We should just forfeit the game.

Then we would just beat Trashville in 5 games, and not give them anything to ***** about.

[McCartyFanForLife 17]

It was a close play and could have gone either way. Highlights show the ref out of the zone, but that's because he was moving that way and the puck had already hit him. If Trotz is trying to complain about goals in the media like this, the series is already over... put up or shut up

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Shocking!

If the situation was reversed, Babs would be saying the same. Questionable play that didn't go your teams way......get over it.

[therock48880 14]

Meh. Even the guys on TSN said that you can't call that a Trip, and that wouldn't unanimously say that in support of the Wings unless it were 100% true. Their reasoning seemed sound. Maybe (just maybe) at some point in the season that is called a penalty (a reeeeeeally chincy one), but in the playoffs there is no way you can call something that minor a penalty. The more I see it, the more I laugh at the people who complained that it should have been a penalty.

Notice I said "could have had". Personally, I didn't feel it was a penalty but when I saw this thread I thought it may have been about the trip. The "trip" was certainly more deserving of a penalty than the holding penalty they called on one of the Preds (Bonk maybe?) early in the game. It blows my mind how they can call something like that phantom hold and then let all of the holding, cross checking, etc... go in front of the both nets.

[Gizmo 21]

If the situation was reversed, Babs would be saying the same. Questionable play that didn't go your teams way......get over it.

While I'm sure that Babcock would have mentioned it, having heard him in the past, I also can envision him ending with a fatalistic comment like "...but hey, that's how the game of hockey works. You can't dwell on it and you need to move on."

Edited April 11, 2008 by Gizmo

[therock48880 14]

While I'm sure that Babcock would have mentioned it, having heard him in the past, I also can envision him ending with a fatalistic comment like "...but hey, that's how the game of hockey works. You can't dwell on it and you need to move on."

Mike, is that you?

[rick zombo 3,739]

OK. Blown call. Neutralized by about 4 blatant interference and roughing calls that should have been made against the Preds (Zidlicky punching Franzen in the face after he lost his stick, Lilja getting smoked at the blueline miles away from the puck, Draper getting punched in the face, Smithson leaving his feet to hit Draper, Datsyuk getting tripped full stride in the neutral zone, and so much more)

Basically, the Refs decided to "let them play" last night. If this continues, it works in Nashvilles favour.

So Barry, be greatful. Don't whine about one play when Detroit could have produced the winning goal on 1 of 4 or 5 PP they didn't have.

[Sergeiwasmyfav 0]

Notice I said "could have had". Personally, I didn't feel it was a penalty but when I saw this thread I thought it may have been about the trip. The "trip" was certainly more deserving of a penalty than the holding penalty they called on one of the Preds (Bonk maybe?) early in the game. It blows my mind how they can call something like that phantom hold and then let all of the holding, cross checking, etc... go in front of the both nets.

I know exactly the call you are talking about. That play was on the other side of the ice from where we were sitting, and when they showed the replay on the big screen thingy I was like, "I would be pissed if I were Nashville. That was a weak call." However, I think what Hank did was in the same category; neither should have been a penalty. As for the goal, maybe we got a break, and I will take it. But just remember, if the Preds get a break like that in a different game, it will be really ridiculous if we are all on here complaining about it, considering everyone is saying the Preds should just accept what happened and move on. If something like that happens to us, I will be waiting to see if everyone here follows the advice they are giving to Trotz and Co.

[sjradio 0]

Of course Trotz the Coaching Troll is going to say that it shouldn't have happened, it cost his team the game. He doesn't mention that the defender didn't play the 2 on 1 correctly, the player who was trying to clear the puck didn't bother to see if there was a linesman there.

He makes no mention of the fact that the other 3 officials didn't make the call, when it happened live. Even after all of the replays shown on TV, the HD views, super slo mo. and CSI investigating you cannot possibly tell where that puck was, you see the linesman on the blue line, jumping up and then landing just outside the blueline, so where does the puck hit him, you can't tell on the replay. And I guarantee that if nobody can tell on replay after replay, after replay, after replay. The 3 officials and Trotz didn't see it either.

Get over it Trotz.

He just trying to get the next call. Saying how much his team got screwed over by the refs hoping maybe the next set of officials give his team a break in the next game.

It's playoff hockey... As much as the NHL denies it, there is a different standards of officiating when it comes to the playoffs.

The Preds top line only had 3 shots on goal, as a team were outshot 40-20. Nashville needs to have the other players on his roster besides Ellis show up.

[OsGOD 3]

The refs also missed ANOTHER puck in the netting off a hank shot... totally 100% in the netting and they continued on like nothing happened... MORONS! it was on the other side of the glass (caught between the netting and the back of the glass...hit a spansion and bounced back into play) LOL they all need glasses

[96Homer 0]

Just like that goal that shouldn't have counted when it hit the mesh against the sharks. Gawd is Barry gonna be like what's his name from the av's, resort to whining when his team doesn't show up. So what if it didn't count, the third one would have no matter. And so what it hit the linsman. Last I knew that was ok lol Grow up Nashville!

[eva unit zero 271]

Just like that goal that shouldn't have counted when it hit the mesh against the sharks. Gawd is Barry gonna be like what's his name from the av's, resort to whining when his team doesn't show up. So what if it didn't count, the third one would have no matter. And so what it hit the linsman. Last I knew that was ok lol Grow up Nashville!

The third goal might never have happened; it was an empty net goal. Ellis is on the ice if the score is tied.

That said, the Wings were vastly outplaying the Preds..so their chances of victory were very high even if that was the case.

[Jwo 7]

What whiner Trotz is.

[ifonlyicouldskate 11]

Clearly looked offsides to me. But I'm not complaining, probably because it was in our favor. But if it was nashville that scored on play like that? Man this forum would be filled with barry trotz's. I just hope the nhl doesn't phantom a call against us, as an evenin' up call. Seems to happen alot nowadays. We got a break and lucky bounce, and we will take it.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

The goal was too beautiful not to let go. Seriously, great pass by Dats and a lovely finish by Zetterberg!

[Gizmo 21]

He just trying to get the next call. Saying how much his team got screwed over by the refs hoping maybe the next set of officials give his team a break in the next game.

Go ahead and let him do that.... it also has the effect of letting your team off of the hook for the loss. In the end, blaming the officials doesn't help your team. Even with obvious blown calls like the infamous SJ-puck-in-the-netting play, the players bare final responsibility (they broke one of the cardinal rules of hockey: Play until you hear a whistle).

Edited April 11, 2008 by Gizmo

[RedLightGoesOn 81]

Oh, in that case what about the 30 penalties that should have been called on Nashville? Barry Trotz looks like a troll, acts like a troll, and talks like a troll....does that make him a troll? Get used to it Barry, need I remind you in 2006 we were eliminated by a kick-in goal thanks to the infamous and now retired Mick "I hate the Red Wings" McGeough?

Keep crying, learn2coach in the playoffs.

[vangvace 12]

The offside was one of two calls "missed" on the play. Many times, Zetterberg would have also been called for tripping as he knocked down Webber with his stick just prior to sliding away into the slot for the shot.

Smelrose called it a trip this morning on ESPN as well.

[seeinred 1,488]

How the hell are you all calling it "clearly" offside? They showed about 3000 replays of it and nothing was conclusive. The ref started in the zone, moved to his right a little bit and the puck hit him while most of him was outside the zone. I really doubt the entire puck crossed the blue line there.

[Jwo 7]

A Trip would off been if Zetterberg put his stick anywhere near Webbers skate or used his foot intentionally to trip Webber. But instead Webber and Zetterberg skate got tangle accidentally when Zetterberg was making a move to get around Webber so he can get open. That is not a penalty.

Also Toronto reviewed the goal and said it was not offsides.

Both Barry's needs to whinning.

Edited April 11, 2008 by Jwo

[Opie 308]

JWO,

I think they are reffering more to the fact that Z's stick hit him in the shins as he was breaking away from the D man. But like you said I think Z and Webber's feet got tied up and he was falling before the stick hit his shin pads.

[PredChef 0]

Just like that goal that shouldn't have counted when it hit the mesh against the sharks. Gawd is Barry gonna be like what's his name from the av's, resort to whining when his team doesn't show up. So what if it didn't count, the third one would have no matter. And so what it hit the linsman. Last I knew that was ok lol Grow up Nashville!

Third one would have? Glad you pay attention to the game, lol. Yeah, we would of pulled Ellis when the game would have been tied. Sigh

It is funny to me how everyone is saying he is whining about it.

'We cleared the puck and it look like it hit the linesman and came back in,' Nashville coach Barry Trotz said. 'I looked at it again on replay and from my judgment, it looked fairly clear. Usually in that situation, the linesmen or the referee blow that to not give an unfair advantage.'"

That doesn't read like whining to me. See Ron Wilson for the definition of whining.

Think about it, he was asked about the play from a member of the media and he responded with what he saw. That is where quotes come from people. The coach just doesnt sit up there and run his mouth with an account of the game.

Was he crying over and over about it, No. Get over it.

It was a break in your favor, plain and simple. That is they way it goes sometimes.

The majority of Predator fans are letting it go for what it is. A close call, that should of been whistled dead but wasn't. We had plenty of time and opportunity to tie it up after that. Dom made a couple great saves.

On to game two. Go Preds

Edited April 11, 2008 by PredChef

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Third one would have? Glad you pay attention to the game, lol. Yeah, we would of pulled Ellis when the game would have been tied. Sigh

It is funny to me how everyone is saying he is whining about it.

'We cleared the puck and it look like it hit the linesman and came back in,' Nashville coach Barry Trotz said. 'I looked at it again on replay and from my judgment, it looked fairly clear. Usually in that situation, the linesmen or the referee blow that to not give an unfair advantage.'"

That doesn't read like whining to me. See Ron Wilson for the definition of whining.

Think about it, he was asked about the play from a member of the media and he responded with what he saw. That is where quotes come from people. The coach just doesnt sit up there and run his mouth with an account of the game.

Was he crying over and over about it, No. Get over it.

It was a break in your favor, plain and simple. That is they way it goes sometimes.

The majority of Predator fans are letting it go for what it is. A close call, that should of been whistled dead but wasn't. We had plenty of time and opportunity to tie it up after that. Dom made a couple great saves.

On to game two. Go Preds

I totally agree. It should've been whistled dead. I don't know about the trip on Weber but whatever, the play probably should've been whistled. It wasn't. It was a LUCKY break for the wings no matter how you shake it out.

You just have to remember that there are quite a few completely biased, incapable of objective thought homers around here. It is a Wings forum afterall (which is what i've been told a million times by the homers).

Anyway, it was a lucky break. We would cry and ***** about it too if it went against us. If Preds fans are truly letting it go as you say, then they have a step up on Wings fans because people around here would be bitching about this through 2009.