Should we lose game 6....

[russianswede919293 95]

REALLY?!?!?!

A week ago I am reading oh Ozzie where have you been all these playoff years, now I read oh Ozzie you can't close it out lets go back to Dom.

Why is it always the goalie thats the goat. Bottom line, Wings have been s***ty the last 3 games, since game 3 they only showed up for half the game.

Oz isn't the problem guys.

EDIT TO ADD:

Also after one loss everyone says McLeod is crazy for saying scoring is a concern, but after 2 loses, Oz's goaltending is a concern?!?!?!

I think Bruce was more correct.

Edited May 19, 2008 by russianswede919293

[OsGOD 3]

Baaaaaaahhhhhh Baaaaaaaaaaahhhh

the shepard is calling... he is looking for all the fairweather sheep!

[NHLrules? 32]

Unless Ozzy has a huge collapse (5+ goals), you go with him in game 7. Hasek still has the abiity to steal a game, I think.

As proven this year, he also has the ability to give one away.

[Houdini 0]

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but the question isn't whether or not the Wings lose the next game, but how well Ozzie plays.

For the first 8 games Ozzie has played fantastic! He posted a .935 save percentage average over these 8 games, and is a huge reason we are in the Western Conference Finals. I don't think we could have gotten this far with the way Dom was playing.

However, in the last 3 games Ozzie has posted a .886 save percentage average. You can't win in the playoffs with that kind of save percentage. Has Ozzie been playing horrible? Nope, he's made some great saves and really hasn't let any bad goals in. But make no mistake, he's been outplayed by Turco over these last 3 games. Ozzie must play better than this if we are to get farther in these playoffs.

If Ozzie posts another sub .900 game then yes, I believe we need to put in Dom. Sometimes just changing goalies can make a team play better, regardless of whether or not it was the goalies fault he was pulled. Right now the Wings need to play better, and Ozzie needs to be great again, not just "good". If he's played just "good" or "average" over the last 4 games straight and the Wings are on the brink of being eliminated, then it's time to see if Dom can play better.

- Houdini

[C-Dub 0]

Save% ain't everything. The Wings usually don't give up too many shots on goal.

GAA is for more important. He gave up 2.5 GAA in the two losses, but the offense only scored 1 goal each in these. Do you honestly expect Osgood to get 2 SO in a row??? You gotta be real, Dallas is a good team.

Anyway, if anything our offense must pick it up the most, because we have been shut down in the past two games and it isn't all Turco but our forwards freaking shooting right at Turco's chest or next to the goal. Don't get me wrong, Turco has played great but we have been horrible in getting some serious shots on goal here as of late.

[NHLrules? 32]

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but the question isn't whether or not the Wings lose the next game, but how well Ozzie plays.

For the first 8 games Ozzie has played fantastic! He posted a .935 save percentage average over these 8 games, and is a huge reason we are in the Western Conference Finals. I don't think we could have gotten this far with the way Dom was playing.

However, in the last 3 games Ozzie has posted a .886 save percentage average. You can't win in the playoffs with that kind of save percentage. Has Ozzie been playing horrible? Nope, he's made some great saves and really hasn't let any bad goals in. But make no mistake, he's been outplayed by Turco over these last 3 games. Ozzie must play better than this if we are to get farther in these playoffs.

If Ozzie posts another sub .900 game then yes, I believe we need to put in Dom. Sometimes just changing goalies can make a team play better, regardless of whether or not it was the goalies fault he was pulled. Right now the Wings need to play better, and Ozzie needs to be great again, not just "good". If he's played just "good" or "average" over the last 4 games straight and the Wings are on the brink of being eliminated, then it's time to see if Dom can play better.

- Houdini

Well, we were dominated the last two games, Ozzie didnt have a chance on a few of the goals.

Once again our ability to win one goal games is an issue, and we cant seem to score now.

Oz is not the issue, he kept game 4 and 5 close. If he wasnt playing well those games could have gotten ugly.

[OsGOD 3]

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but the question isn't whether or not the Wings lose the next game, but how well Ozzie plays.

For the first 8 games Ozzie has played fantastic! He posted a .935 save percentage average over these 8 games, and is a huge reason we are in the Western Conference Finals. I don't think we could have gotten this far with the way Dom was playing.

However, in the last 3 games Ozzie has posted a .886 save percentage average. You can't win in the playoffs with that kind of save percentage. Has Ozzie been playing horrible? Nope, he's made some great saves and really hasn't let any bad goals in. But make no mistake, he's been outplayed by Turco over these last 3 games. Ozzie must play better than this if we are to get farther in these playoffs.

If Ozzie posts another sub .900 game then yes, I believe we need to put in Dom. Sometimes just changing goalies can make a team play better, regardless of whether or not it was the goalies fault he was pulled. Right now the Wings need to play better, and Ozzie needs to be great again, not just "good". If he's played just "good" or "average" over the last 4 games straight and the Wings are on the brink of being eliminated, then it's time to see if Dom can play better.

- Houdini

So let me get this right... in the three games Ozzie posted sub 90% (two of which were in fact WINS btw) out of 12 he has played in....

you are going to toss dom in again whos last perfomance was a sub 80% inconceivable!! Not to mention the 4 straight b2b goals in under 30 seconds... I know that was a blast to watch but i am glad they haven't had to witness that since the midway point of my Birthday game

I mean really... wtf?

out of 4 games played dom has been sub 90 once and sub 80 the other... both in his most recent games. He actually got progressivly worse (really fast) in the S% category.

Ozzie just posted an above 90 in his last loss

Edited May 19, 2008 by OsGOD

[Guest MrSandMan]

I do not like this thread. It's useless.

[Hockey13Playa 240]

I do not like this thread. It's useless.

I would tend to agree with you on that statement.

Like the majority of people who responded, its Osgood all the way. The past two losses weren't his fault at all, and he has played outstanding for the most part of the playoffs.

There will be no chance in hell a goalie change is made for game 7.

Plus, lets worry about game 6 first, then we can go from there.

Just my two cents...

[Z and D for the C 712]

I say take out the goalie and play 6 on 5 the entire game. That'll jump start our guys.

[Houdini 0]

So let me get this right... in the three games Ozzie posted sub 90% (two of which were in fact WINS btw) out of 12 he has played in....

you are going to toss dom in again whos last perfomance was a sub 80% inconceivable!!

I mean really... wtf?

Dom had two bad games. And I think most of us (except Dom haters) can agree Dom is a much better goaltender than he played in those last two games. He showed us that last year in the playoffs, and this year in the regular season. But I 100% agree with pulling him and putting in Ozzie. Dom is good, but he wasn't playing as well as we needed to win playoff games. Period. It happens. And when it does it changing things up is just what the doctor ordered. And Ozzie and the Wings have played fantastic BECAUSE we changed goaltenders.

Now lets take a look at Colorado. Theodore was their better goaltender. He played great in his first series. But he wasn't playing very well against Detroit. Was it all his fault? No, the Wings were generating tons of chances. But he still wasn't playing great. There was a lot of talk about replacing him with Budaj. Their coach decided to stick with their goaltender who got them as far as they had. Personally I think they made the wrong choice, and we swept them as a result.

Again, I will re-iterate. Ozzie has not played poorly in these last 3 games. But the fact of the matter is Ozzie has not played great these last few games either, certainly not as well as he had played in his previous 8 games, and as a result he is being outplayed by Turco. Is outstanding goaltending our main problem? No, but we may not be able to win without it.

Now, I wouldn't want Dom in tonights game. I say stick with Ozzie, he's been our man! But if we lose AGAIN, and Ozzie doesn't play better then things have officially gotten "desperate". If we end up with 3 losses in a row, all momentum on the Stars die, Ozzie has had just 4 "decent" games, and we are on the brink of elimination then IMO we HAVE to change things up.

But who knows, maybe the Wings will start scoring again. Or maybe Osgood will stand on his head again this series and pull us into the finals. Or maybe Babcock will decide to stick with Osgood for a game 7 and the team pulls together and wins.

All I know is that Osgood has NOT been playing as well these last 3 games as he had his previous 8. And now is when we need him to play his best. If he can't do it (and that may be a big IF), then we need to try something different.

- Houdini

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Looks like I'm in the minority here, but the question isn't whether or not the Wings lose the next game, but how well Ozzie plays.

For the first 8 games Ozzie has played fantastic! He posted a .935 save percentage average over these 8 games, and is a huge reason we are in the Western Conference Finals. I don't think we could have gotten this far with the way Dom was playing.

However, in the last 3 games Ozzie has posted a .886 save percentage average. You can't win in the playoffs with that kind of save percentage. Has Ozzie been playing horrible? Nope, he's made some great saves and really hasn't let any bad goals in. But make no mistake, he's been outplayed by Turco over these last 3 games. Ozzie must play better than this if we are to get farther in these playoffs.

If Ozzie posts another sub .900 game then yes, I believe we need to put in Dom. Sometimes just changing goalies can make a team play better, regardless of whether or not it was the goalies fault he was pulled. Right now the Wings need to play better, and Ozzie needs to be great again, not just "good". If he's played just "good" or "average" over the last 4 games straight and the Wings are on the brink of being eliminated, then it's time to see if Dom can play better.

- Houdini

To me it's a terrible idea to replace a goalie who is playing well with a goalie who is 43 years old, completely cold, not used to being the backup, and lost the starting job in the first round. Ozzy is still playing well.

I don't even think Ozzy's been outplayed by Turco. Turco has been better than he was at the start of the series, but only made a couple really big saves. The quality of Wings scoring chances were way down the last two games.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

There is ZERO chance Dom plays game 7 (if there is one). He is cold and flakey.

Osgood plays no matter what.

[MabusIncarnate 5,359]

Stick with Ozzie until it's all said and done. With that said, and if Turco still has his game tonight like he's had in the last two games, Osgood needs to shine. We need Osgood to be on top of his game tonight so we don't have to worry about a game 7. Should it go to 7, the game is still in our favor being at home, but we need some superb goaltending if we can't get our offense going again.

[OsGOD 3]

Dom had two bad games. And I think most of us (except Dom haters) can agree Dom is a much better goaltender than he played in those last two games. He showed us that last year in the playoffs, and this year in the regular season. But I 100% agree with pulling him and putting in Ozzie. Dom is good, but he wasn't playing as well as we needed to win playoff games. Period. It happens. And when it does it changing things up is just what the doctor ordered. And Ozzie and the Wings have played fantastic BECAUSE we changed goaltenders.

Now lets take a look at Colorado. Theodore was their better goaltender. He played great in his first series. But he wasn't playing very well against Detroit. Was it all his fault? No, the Wings were generating tons of chances. But he still wasn't playing great. There was a lot of talk about replacing him with Budaj. Their coach decided to stick with their goaltender who got them as far as they had. Personally I think they made the wrong choice, and we swept them as a result.

Again, I will re-iterate. Ozzie has not played poorly in these last 3 games. But the fact of the matter is Ozzie has not played great these last few games either, certainly not as well as he had played in his previous 8 games, and as a result he is being outplayed by Turco. Is outstanding goaltending our main problem? No, but we may not be able to win without it.

Sure Dom had one bad game.... One HORRIFIC game and he was only getting worse from the very first game. Sure he was decent last year... but that was last year and we didn't exactly go any farther with him then either... And thats not even from a dom hater (even though i am publicly on record of being such a thing) that is just common sense.

Did Tay-door really play great in the first series or was he just not exposed... you are comparing a goalie who got pulled in every game against us allowing over 4 goals in his short stay per game... to a goalie who is keeping teams on the average under 1.75 goals a game... After watching him live for both games at the Joe I would gather to think the first series made him look 110% better than the sieve he was against us.

Turco isn't outplaying Ozzie... don't let the medias bias on his 38 UNSCREENED shots play into your mind... I was at the game I saw the weak ass shots that the wings took with nobody in front to tip or screen... Turco could and did make all those saves in his sleep.

Edited May 19, 2008 by OsGOD

[dr_lobster 0]

Why does this topic even exist. Y'all need to stop judging the future before it's happened.

[dallas27 7]

Why does this topic even exist. Y'all need to stop judging the future before it's happened.

QFT. This thread is getting a little ridiculous for a topic that shouldn't even be getting discussed.

My question is: Has Houdini actually watched the games. Even if he says yes, I would beg to differ. It's easy to look at the boxscore stats and come to the conclusion he has. But if one were to watch the game I'm quite sure that conclusion would be different.

[Dabura 12,232]

Dom has played his last game as a Wing.

[TheHoff 0]

I don't know how effective Hasek would be given the time he hasn't seen action. I don't think there will be but if there is a goaltending change , it should in tonights game ao that you'd have another option for game 7 by going back to Osgood.

[kylee 727]

i just had a feeling this thread was going to show up... anywho if there's a game 7 im sticking with Ozzie

[OsGOD 3]

Goaltending is no longer an issue in these playoffs.... move on to another scape goat... Babs did a hell of a job righting that sinking ship! and i am sure he will address the current issues as well!

Edited May 19, 2008 by OsGOD

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Ozzie. It's not even a debate.

[TheCaptain19 49]

once goalie change in a playoff race is too many. another one is very risky. besides, ozzie has been more than solid for us. he'll take us there.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Hopefully this thread will be rendered obsolete in a few hours.

[Guest MrSandMan]

Hopefully this thread will be rendered obsolete in a few hours.

This thread will be rendered obsolete tonight!

The NEWS is out and it's official, Detroit is winning.