Players you would trade the Wings 1st round pick for.

[babygorilla 1]

I was thinking of a few players that would be intriguing in a winged wheel. What players would you drop the #30 pick for in this years draft.

[Hank 0]

I was thinking of a few players that would be intriguing in a winged wheel. What players would you drop the #30 pick for in this years draft.

Lucic.

But I'm sure Boston would want more that that.

[Opie 308]

Lucic.

But I'm sure Boston would want more that that.

Who knows? Maybe if you throw in a ham sandwhich?

[betterREDthandead 58]

I was thinking of a few players that would be intriguing in a winged wheel. What players would you drop the #30 pick for in this years draft.

There's probably at least 50-70 players in the league on that list. Two or three on every team, minimum.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Who knows? Maybe if you throw in a ham sandwhich?

Lilja + Kopecky should do it

[Opie 308]

Lilja + Kopecky should do it

While I get the sarcasm, Lilja is a UFA and not property of the Wings so it would have to be the Ham Sandwhich and Kopecky!

[dteowner 20]

You'll have to throw in the cardboard center of a roll of stick tape to balance out not adding Lillypad.

[Hank 0]

Who knows? Maybe if you throw in a ham sandwhich?

What kind of bread? If it's Pinini, NO DEAL! I like Lucic, but I love my Pinini sandwiches.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Does anyone besides me realize that the Wings aren't picking 1st overall in the draft?

It seems like too many posters here assume that our #1 pick is somehow incredibly valuable. I know this thread was started just for fun, but I honestly can't think of any decent players anyone would give us for our late 1st round pick.

I would love to have another enforcer here, but I know Holland won't go that route.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

What kind of bread? If it's Pinini, NO DEAL! I like Lucic, but I love my Pinini sandwiches.

Alright, Ham Sandwich on 12-Grain Wheat, with California Cheese (not Wisconsin, otherwise Boston would be making out like bandits).

Panini is out of the question. What, do think Ilitch is made of money or something?

[betterREDthandead 58]

Does anyone besides me realize that the Wings aren't picking 1st overall in the draft?

It seems like too many posters here assume that our #1 pick is somehow incredibly valuable. I know this thread was started just for fun, but I honestly can't think of any decent players anyone would give us for our late 1st round pick.

That's just it. It's not a particularly valuable pick.

I take back what I said earlier. I said that there were at least 2 or 3 players on each team I'd trade the pick for. I see about 7 LA Kings I'd trade the 1st rounder for. So bump that up to "at least 7 or 8" and about 250 players around the league.

[Hank 0]

Alright, Ham Sandwich on 12-Grain Wheat, with California Cheese (not Wisconsin, otherwise Boston would be making out like bandits).

Panini is out of the question. What, do think Ilitch is made of money or something?

Excellent point. But what kind of pizza do they have in Beantown? Maybe some crazy bread would do the trick?

P.S. I have to say I love American pizza. I'm a Canadian working in Detroit and the pizza you guys have here is unbelievable. And what makes me laugh is that my co-workers don't even think it's that great. From what I'm constantly being told is that NY has the best. If it's better than the stuff I've eaten in D-town, my head my explode.

Thanks Mac. Now I'm hungry for some 'za!

[Majsheppard 203]

Jay Bouwmeester

That is the guy I really want.

I hear the Sedin Twins are possibly available. I'd give our first round this year and next year for them. LoL. They can even keep Sammy

Yeah we can't get anything really great for our first rounder, at least not without giving up more.

Now maybe a sign and trade later...

[CrossCheck24 2]

Shanny- before you all go crazy, he said he left because the team was changing, and he wasn't part of the solution. He was still being relied on heavily for scoring and leadership. Now that it has been a few years, he would be a great addition to second/third line. He still fights, and put up nearly 50 points last season. Plus it would bring some more fans in for the regular season games, much like bringing DMac back did. He makes 2.5 mil which isn't bad for what he brings to the table

[Probert 5 For Fighting 0]

Shanny- before you all go crazy, he said he left because the team was changing, and he wasn't part of the solution. He was still being relied on heavily for scoring and leadership. Now that it has been a few years, he would be a great addition to second/third line. He still fights, and put up nearly 50 points last season. Plus it would bring some more fans in for the regular season games, much like bringing DMac back did. He makes 2.5 mil which isn't bad for what he brings to the table

And he still isn't part of the solution. He's slow, terrible defensively, and contributes nothing outside of the PP. "Now that its been a few years" means he's even older and slower and less effective than he was before. 50 points? Franzen, Flip, Hudler and Cleary are all capable of that, and they all contribute more than Shanny. As for fans - this team wont make itself worse to appease fans who miss Shanny or Mac. 2.5 million is an awful amount of money to give to the guy I just described. And giving up a 1st rounder for him would be one of the worst trades ever.

[Guest Crymson]

Does anyone besides me realize that the Wings aren't picking 1st overall in the draft?

It seems like too many posters here assume that our #1 pick is somehow incredibly valuable. I know this thread was started just for fun, but I honestly can't think of any decent players anyone would give us for our late 1st round pick.

I would love to have another enforcer here, but I know Holland won't go that route.

Our 30th in the first round and Tampa's first in the second round are adjacent. Our pick isn't worth a tremendous amount to other teams. Nobody will trade proven talent for an unproven, late draft pick.

Shanny- before you all go crazy, he said he left because the team was changing, and he wasn't part of the solution. He was still being relied on heavily for scoring and leadership. Now that it has been a few years, he would be a great addition to second/third line. He still fights, and put up nearly 50 points last season. Plus it would bring some more fans in for the regular season games, much like bringing DMac back did. He makes 2.5 mil which isn't bad for what he brings to the table

Losing Shanahan---yes, and Yzerman--- was a step forward for this team, as it allowed the team to progress to a style not possible with Shanahan and Yzerman on the ice. This year, we saw the end result of that step forward. Bringing Shanahan back to this team would mean a giant step backwards. Why would we do that?

Of course, this is academic because there's no way he'd leave NYR anyway. It's NYR or retirement for him.

Oh, and he also sucks now.

Edited June 20, 2008 by Crymson

[Reilly 24]

Shanny- before you all go crazy, he said he left because the team was changing, and he wasn't part of the solution.

He also said he always wanted to play in New York. Time to move on. Bye Shanny.

[CrossCheck24 2]

Franzen, Flip, Hudler and Cleary are all capable of that, and they all contribute more than Shanny. As for fans - this team wont make itself worse to appease fans who miss Shanny or Mac. 2.5 million is an awful amount of money to give to the guy I just described. And giving up a 1st rounder for him would be one of the worst trades ever.

capability isn't results. The team missing players? what? The team doesn't miss anyone, they just won the cup. Fans miss players.

Losing Shanahan---yes, and Yzerman--- was a step forward for this team, as it allowed the team to progress to a style not possible with Shanahan and Yzerman on the ice. This year, we saw the end result of that step forward. Bringing Shanahan back to this team would mean a giant step backwards. Why would we do that?

Of course, this is academic because there's no way he'd leave NYR anyway. It's NYR or retirement for him.

Yes it is academic, but I think that if shanny were to return he would be in a much different role. A support player versus a star player of the late 90's

[Probert 5 For Fighting 0]

capability isn't results. The team missing players? what? The team doesn't miss anyone, they just won the cup. Fans miss players.

Results: All the above players I mentioned are better, faster, and more skilled skaters than Shanny right now. You can pretty much pencil in Franzen and Flip for 50+ in their 3rd full season, with Franzen possessing true superstar potential.

Hudler put up 42 points in just 13 minutes a game during the regular season, and 14 points in just 11:36 minutes a game in the playoffs. Shanny, meanwhile, had 46 points playing over 18:30 a game during the season, and just 5 points in 17 minutes a night in the playoffs. Extrapolating Hudler's statistics, he was a much more effective offensive player than Shanny this year.

And the team doesn't give a s*** what players the fans miss. Like crymson said, he pretty much sucks now.

[CrossCheck24 2]

Results: All the above players I mentioned are better, faster, and more skilled skaters than Shanny right now. You can pretty much pencil in Franzen and Flip for 50+ in their 3rd full season, with Franzen possessing true superstar potential.

Hudler put up 42 points in just 13 minutes a game during the regular season, and 14 points in just 11:36 minutes a game in the playoffs. Shanny, meanwhile, had 46 points playing over 18:30 a game during the season, and just 5 points in 17 minutes a night in the playoffs. Extrapolating Hudler's statistics, he was a much more effective offensive player than Shanny this year.

And the team doesn't give a s*** what players the fans miss. Like crymson said, he pretty much sucks now.

The young guns have shown signs of greatness, but nothing has happened yet. If Babs thinks that Huds is going to score 82 point next year then great! move him up and give shanny his spot on 4th line. Why do you think the they let Dmac play? If DMac was anything but a publicity stunt than he would have dressed in the finals. Shanny is a much better than DMac. Fans ARE[\b] the income for the team. I am positive that the team cares what the fans want. Why advertize, or even let fans into the games if they don't matter?

[Probert 5 For Fighting 0]

The young guns have shown signs of greatness, but nothing has happened yet. If Babs thinks that Huds is going to score 82 point next year then great! move him up and give shanny his spot on 4th line. Why do you think the they let Dmac play? If DMac was anything but a publicity stunt than he would have dressed in the finals. Shanny is a much better than DMac. Fans ARE[\b] the income for the team. I am positive that the team cares what the fans want. Why advertize, or even let fans into the games if they don't matter?

Please don't argue semantics now. Franzen, Flip and Hudler may not have scored 50 points yet, but they will at their current rate of growth, and you know it. While Shanny gets worse and worse, they get better and better.

And you're actually trying to tell me that Ken Holland brought in DMac as a publicity stunt? No. He gave him a shot to redeem himself from all his past troubles, signed him to a minor league deal, and he worked his way back on the team. It had nothing to do with what the fans thought. Holland thought he could be a solid physical presence on the 4th line - which he was for a little bit. He didn't dress in the Finals because guys like Helm(another guy who contributes more than Shanny with his skating and defense) stepped up and played better.

Fans are the income, and they're coming to see a great team. Not a nostalgic team with Shanny on the roster because he was good 10 years ago. The fans want Cups, and that's what this staff works to provide. This tangent you're starting to go off on with advertising is a bit odd.

Shanny can't play defense and he can't skate. He has no place on this team. Game over.

[CrossCheck24 2]

Please don't argue semantics now. Franzen, Flip and Hudler may not have scored 50 points yet, but they will at their current rate of growth, and you know it. While Shanny gets worse and worse, they get better and better.

And you're actually trying to tell me that Ken Holland brought in DMac as a publicity stunt? No. He gave him a shot to redeem himself from all his past troubles, signed him to a minor league deal, and he worked his way back on the team. It had nothing to do with what the fans thought. Holland thought he could be a solid physical presence on the 4th line - which he was for a little bit. He didn't dress in the Finals because guys like Helm(another guy who contributes more than Shanny with his skating and defense) stepped up and played better.

Fans are the income, and they're coming to see a great team. Not a nostalgic team with Shanny on the roster because he was good 10 years ago. The fans want Cups, and that's what this staff works to provide. This tangent you're starting to go off on with advertising is a bit odd.

Shanny can't play defense and he can't skate. He has no place on this team. Game over.

I agree that Holland gave him a chance to redeem himself, but was it necessary to bring him all the way up? Was JLA sold out the 5 games before Dmac's return? How about the game of his return? What physical presence? All I saw him do was skate blue line to blue line and take penalties. I love the guy but he looked lost out there, even when he did play in the plaoffs.

I think that they said that sammy would eventually put up 50+ points too. Things happen, the guy doesn't work as hard the following summer, loses focus, etc.

Shanny playing solid defence is part of the different role, and team that he would be coming into. You keep saying he cant skate, but he is a better skater than Dmac.

I think he adds much more to the team than Dmac.

[w00p33 2]

(Shanny/DMac) is lazy and he sucks ?

[CrossCheck24 2]

(Shanny/DMac) is lazy and he sucks ?

to clarify, I never said either player sucks, I only said that we have Dmac, and Shanny is better than Dmac, so if the team could, why not trade in Dmac for Shanny?

[Mickeyisms Rule! 0]

to clarify, I never said either player sucks, I only said that we have Dmac, and Shanny is better than Dmac, so if the team could, why not trade in Dmac for Shanny?

Simply put, because Shanny was a hired gun (don't get me wrong, I loved the guy WHILE HE WAS A WING) but I don't think of him as a Wing anymore.

McCarty was a Wing until they bought out his contract. He WANTS to be here. Shanny doesn't. Shanny wants to be a broadcaster, so he went to the Rangers to increase his chances.