Avery to test FA market

[egroen 384]

He had 154 Penalty Minutes.. 30 of them were from fights. He is averaging a little over a penalty per game..

Wow... so Avery only had only 2 minor penalties the whole year???

(30 x 5 min = 150 min)

Re: Sheed and the Pistons' whiney antics -- Large reason why I do not even watch them anymore.

Edited June 25, 2008 by egroen

[GoWings1905 2,694]

WHAT!?!

First of all, my point was about their antics, not their talent compared to others in the league. Every off-season people talk about getting rid of Sheed, but then once the season comes, he's cheered louder than any other Piston. When he gets the ball, all you hear is "SHEEEEED" from the crowd, so no, my analogy isn't bad. You basically proved my point for me about how they were both welcomed when they came to Detroit. The only reason Sheff was booed by (a small group of fans) is because he's spent time on the DL and hasn't been healthy/hasn't performed, not because of his attitude. How loud were the fans booing last night when he jacked one over the fence? That's what I thought. Bottom line is that fans liked Avery when he was here, LA fans loved him in LA, NY fans love him in NY. Red Wings fans would love him again if he was here (again.) To say otherwise is just being a blind homer/hater.

Wrong. Rasheed is not the most popular player on the Pistons. Chauncey Billups is, and it's not even close really. That's beyond the point anyways.

All three players were welcomed when they first came to Detroit, mostly because they were wearing the home team's uniform. Rasheed was the x-factor in the 2004 championship, but since then he has gone back to his Portland antics, and everyone in the Pistons organization is tired of it. Sheffield was getting booed because he is getting paid $13 million dollars and is batting .200. If you think one homerun in a loss changes that for fans, I feel sorry for you.

Lastly, you claiming that Red Wings fans would love Avery is YOUR opinion. Calling me a blind/homer hater is absurd when a very large majority of posters in this thread feel the same way about Avery returning as I do. Almost every post in here has the same theme of Avery not being a good fit for the Red Wings. Therefore, I'm going to safely assume MOST Red Wings fans wouldn't love him here, contrary to what you say. The same holds true with Rasheed and Sheffield. I think most Pistons/Tigers fans would be fine without either of those two playing in Detroit, based on BOTH performance and attitude.

Go back and read the entire thread. I think you'll find that you are one of the few that wants Avery back with the Red Wings. Or wait, that would ruin your "logic" wouldn't it?

[Slave 31]

Wow... so Avery only had only 2 minor penalties the whole year???

(30 x 5 min = 150 min)

Re: Sheed and the Pistons' whiney antics -- Large reason why I do not even watch them anymore.

think he meant 6 fights for 30 minutes then the other 120min from regular penalties...but i could be wrong

[egroen 384]

I think Jordin Tootoo is a type of player who fans here currently hate, but would be loved if he came here... Avery is a completely different story than him, however.

Avery's internship at Vogue:

http://www.mensvogue.com/magazine/articles...8/06/sean-avery

Sign him!!!!

Edited June 25, 2008 by egroen

[Doc Holiday 0]

Wow... so Avery only had only 2 minor penalties the whole year???

(30 x 5 min = 150 min)

Re: Sheed and the Pistons' whiney antics -- Large reason why I do not even watch them anymore.

30 of the MINUTES were from fights.

[12Newf 0]

avery is smart and doesnt take stupid penalties. the guy is a force and can really dictate a game because he attracts so much attention. the guy is the ultimate in distracting the opposition but i just cannot applaud his tactics. i like a guy who keeps his mouth shut and just plays the game and a yappy kid like avery is very unappealing to me. i love fighting and all but i dont understand it when agitators literally research the other teams fighters' families and then carve them. it disgusts me.

that being said, avery is gonna get paid.

Edited June 25, 2008 by 12Newf

[auxlepli 17]

I'd love to see him back with the Wings, but I don't see how he'd fit into the organization right now.

In any case, I'd rather see him back than Sundin in a Wings uniform.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

Wrong. Rasheed is not the most popular player on the Pistons. Chauncey Billups is, and it's not even close really. That's beyond the point anyways.

All three players were welcomed when they first came to Detroit, mostly because they were wearing the home team's uniform. Rasheed was the x-factor in the 2004 championship, but since then he has gone back to his Portland antics, and everyone in the Pistons organization is tired of it. Sheffield was getting booed because he is getting paid $13 million dollars and is batting .200. If you think one homerun in a loss changes that for fans, I feel sorry for you.

Lastly, you claiming that Red Wings fans would love Avery is YOUR opinion. Calling me a blind/homer hater is absurd when a very large majority of posters in this thread feel the same way about Avery returning as I do. Almost every post in here has the same theme of Avery not being a good fit for the Red Wings. Therefore, I'm going to safely assume MOST Red Wings fans wouldn't love him here, contrary to what you say. The same holds true with Rasheed and Sheffield. I think most Pistons/Tigers fans would be fine without either of those two playing in Detroit, based on BOTH performance and attitude.

Go back and read the entire thread. I think you'll find that you are one of the few that wants Avery back with the Red Wings. Or wait, that would ruin your "logic" wouldn't it?

The facts:

NOBODY booed Avery when he was here. People cheer Sheffield when he performs. People cheer Sheed when he performs, actually, everytime he backs someone down or takes a 3. What are you arguing about? Fans are fickle. Again, NOBODY booed Avery when he was here. Find me a thread on this board saying how disgusting he was, how unsportsmanlike he was, or anything of the sort, please. I'll even take it a step further: Find me a thread on a Rangers/Kings board saying how much they hate him and want (wanted) him out of town.

Most Pistons/Tigers fans would be fine without either of those players based on the season that the TEAM(s) have had. Look at Barry Bonds, fans of every other league in MLB despise him, but the Giants fans cheered him till the very end regardless of what a d-bag he was.

Now, I've presented facts, and you've presented hypotheticals.

Also, you think that this thread/forum represents Wings fans as a whole? Are you joking me? Even if you want to assume that LGW represents the opinions of the entire Red Wings fan-base, what about the LGW members that haven't even posted in this thread? Do you just assume that they're on your side? Yet another ridiculous assumption on your part.

And as many on this thread have already said, he doesn't take stupid penalties. He's also more skilled than quite a few of our forwards.

Edited June 26, 2008 by KronwallCRUNCH

[Dabura 12,232]

I'd rather see him back than Sundin in a Wings uniform.

LOL, good one.

[Guest LivingtheDream]

I think Jordin Tootoo is a type of player who fans here currently hate, but would be loved if he came here... Avery is a completely different story than him, however.

Avery's internship at Vogue:

http://www.mensvogue.com/magazine/articles...8/06/sean-avery

Sign him!!!!

You know, our own Hank and Dom are in the clothing line business, so I don't think we should give Sean a hard time for studying up with the best in the biz. NYC, after all, it where it is at, so what's the big deal?

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I dont know why on earth people are even debating that hed look good in a Red Wings jersey. The guy is a great hockey player, but its pretty clear that Detroit has spent the last few years - or maybe Babcock has been the motivation - clearing their space of any players whos egos far outweight their worth.

The Red Wings will absolutely not sign any player they think will cause even the slightest of fissures amongst their tightknit group.

[Guest Crymson]

I dont know why on earth people are even debating that hed look good in a Red Wings jersey. The guy is a great hockey player, but its pretty clear that Detroit has spent the last few years - or maybe Babcock has been the motivation - clearing their space of any players whos egos far outweight their worth.

The Red Wings will absolutely not sign any player they think will cause even the slightest of fissures amongst their tightknit group.

butbutbut he agitates andandand he has penalty minutes so he must be tough and oh oh he was on the team in the past and all of us have a massively overinflated view of how good he is!

lol

[Doc Holiday 0]

Now, I've presented facts, and you've presented hypotheticals.

Also, you think that this thread/forum represents Wings fans as a whole? Are you joking me? Even if you want to assume that LGW represents the opinions of the entire Red Wings fan-base, what about the LGW members that haven't even posted in this thread? Do you just assume that they're on your side? Yet another ridiculous assumption on your part.

Could you assume also that since this forum is torn with those who like Avery and those who don't, you would expect the fans as a whole to be torn as well?

And as many on this thread have already said, he doesn't take stupid penalties. He's also more skilled than quite a few of our forwards.

So what? He's egotistical and that doesn't make me like him.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

So what? He's egotistical and that doesn't make me like him.

Have you ever seen an interview with him, heard him talk, anything? He's not egotistical. He does a lot of charity work, and is an agitator ON-THE-ICE. People here would hate Maltby's guts if he played for another team, although Maltby isn't as extreme.

PS- GoWings1905, didn't sound like many people were booing Sheffield tonight when he went 4-5 with the game-winning hit. Maybe the audio on my tv was just messed up...Or maybe since it was a rain delay, only the people that like Sheffield were left in the stands..

Edited June 26, 2008 by KronwallCRUNCH

[Doc Holiday 0]

Have you ever seen an interview with him, heard him talk, anything? He's not egotistical. He does a lot of charity work, and is an agitator ON-THE-ICE. People here would hate Maltby's guts if he played for another team, although Maltby isn't as extreme.

PS- GoWings1905, didn't sound like many people were booing Sheffield tonight when he went 4-5 with the game-winning hit. Maybe the audio on my tv was just messed up...Or maybe since it was a rain delay, only the people that like Sheffield were left in the stands..

He sure acts like it on the ice.

Seriously? Waving your stick in front of a goalies face? Jumping to the side of the ice trying to draw a penalty? Doing push ups after you score?

I don't mind having guys who got a lot of zing to their game, but the guy acts so immature on the ice. If he cools down the showboating and wacky part of his game I won't be ashamed of cheering him.

[Guest Crymson]

Have you ever seen an interview with him, heard him talk, anything? He's not egotistical. He does a lot of charity work, and is an agitator ON-THE-ICE. People here would hate Maltby's guts if he played for another team, although Maltby isn't as extreme.

PS- GoWings1905, didn't sound like many people were booing Sheffield tonight when he went 4-5 with the game-winning hit. Maybe the audio on my tv was just messed up...Or maybe since it was a rain delay, only the people that like Sheffield were left in the stands..

He-is-a-locker-room-cancer!!! What do you not understand about this and about team chemistry?

[winsgnut_19 0]

Avery will be going to Chicago

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Have you ever seen an interview with him, heard him talk, anything? He's not egotistical. He does a lot of charity work, and is an agitator ON-THE-ICE. People here would hate Maltby's guts if he played for another team, although Maltby isn't as extreme.

PS- GoWings1905, didn't sound like many people were booing Sheffield tonight when he went 4-5 with the game-winning hit. Maybe the audio on my tv was just messed up...Or maybe since it was a rain delay, only the people that like Sheffield were left in the stands..

Of course they didn't boo Sheffield. It was his first productive game at the plate in almost a year. He'll be "hurt" again soon enough and everyone will jump ship again. Remember, fans are fickle (your words).

Again, you accuse me of using hypothetical scenarios, but I'd love to see some evidence from you that proves people would love Avery here. I don't buy it for a second, even though you seem to think it's a fact. As much as you discredit me for saying Avery would be a joke with the Red Wings, you make-up some absurd story how fans would think he is great. However, nothing in Avery's career proves your theory. When you have some of the best team chemistry in the league, why would you want a jackass like Avery around? Oh I know, because he "agitates" and that's what the defending champions need.

[Opie 308]

I will not boo Avery in the winged wheel because I root for the team first players second. However I do hate the way he plays the game and I do despise all of his antics. To me he is the least professional athlete in professional sports.

So while you may be right that we as fans wouldn't boo him, I won't root for him, I would not be rooting for him as a person I would be rooting for the sweater skating on the ice and hoping my team would win.

That doesn't mean I would like him on the team.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

Of course they didn't boo Sheffield. It was his first productive game at the plate in almost a year. He'll be "hurt" again soon enough and everyone will jump ship again. Remember, fans are fickle (your words).

Again, you accuse me of using hypothetical scenarios, but I'd love to see some evidence from you that proves people would love Avery here. I don't buy it for a second, even though you seem to think it's a fact. As much as you discredit me for saying Avery would be a joke with the Red Wings, you make-up some absurd story how fans would think he is great. However, nothing in Avery's career proves your theory. When you have some of the best team chemistry in the league, why would you want a jackass like Avery around? Oh I know, because he "agitates" and that's what the defending champions need.

You're joking, right? How many times do you want me to repeat myself? When Avery was HERE, people didn't boo him, they cheered him. Just like they did in LA, just like they do in NY. How am I making up an "absurd story?" Fans like him everywhere he goes, please, prove me otherwise. I'll be waiting. Until then, just accept the fact that you're wrong and move on.

Also, how about Sheffield today? A hr to send it into extra innings with the Tigers winning the game. Again, didn't hear any boos today!! Good call.

[Lookout14 0]

Count me as another fan that doesn't ever want to see Avery in a Wings uniform again! YUK! A cancer is the best description anyone has ever come up with to describe him.....we got rid of him once let's leave it that way....there was a reason they dumped him and I am sure the Wings are not looking to sign him up again....let NY keep him....forever. He will never amount to much of a player......he is only "good" for people who like outrageous unprofessional sef-seeking behavior...not a team player IMO.

[Production Line 1]

He'll end up in Dallas because of Hull or LA where he loves the Hollywood lifestyle. I wouldn't mind the agitator in him, just not his games...

[Production Line 1]

Tucker is another guy in 14 pro seasons he only played in 2 full seasons, a couple of 77's then less and much less. Don't get me wrong, I would like him if the price is right.

[Production Line 1]

Tucker abuses his body everytime he steps onto the ice...Dunno if he'd continue to play the wrecking-ball style if he were a Red Wing, but I wouldn't mind seeing him donning the Winged Wheel nonetheless.

I would agree with that. He didn't have as much support from the team there in Toronto as he would have here. He would be a great replacement for Drake and then some. If the price is right...

[Production Line 1]

At this point in Tucker's career he'll want to go to a contender; dunno how much he'd command (though the $$$ from Toronto will be nice), but for Holland - he really doesn't need to make any huge sales pitch.

I'm thinking he'd accept $1 million (maybe less) for 2, or 3 years to play in Detroit.

Give me a club option on the 2nd and 3rd years and I'll give a no trade clause at that price (or less).