Bertuzzi placed on waivers.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Filpulla = 36 Points in 78 Games

Bertuzzi = 40 points 68 games

Yup he's lost his scoring touch alright.. Outplays the wings beloved Filpulla.. Im sure you will have an excuse though.. Thankyou come again.

Boom, there she is. Not to mention, 9 of Filpula's goals came in a 10 game span, and most of Bertuzzi's points came when he was healthy in the 2nd part of the season.

He isnt a bad option for 1 or 2 million on a 1 year deal. We offered him that the first time, maybe he'd be smart enough to know, you take the offer Ken Holland gives you and you will succeed. (Uwe Krupp not withstanding )

[eva unit zero 271]

Matthias was ranked as the 12th best prospect OVERALL by The Hockey News. Your prognostication is complete rubbish - offering nothing but your own uninformed opinion in your analysis. Somehow, eva knows more about the talents of Shawn Matthias than anybody qualified to say so - a player scouts are unanimous in saying that we screwed the pooch by trading. Matthias is a very good prospect. He's not Kyle Turris or Steve Stamkos, but he is a tier or two below.

I'm not riding the guys jock or upset we lost him. In hindsight, it was just a horrific decision considering Bertuzzi's even farther fall from grace and Matthias evolvement into one of the top prospects moving up to the NHL next season. A guy with a similar skillset to Johan Franzen, packaged with a mean streak. But hey, what do scouts know? eva concluded he's Dallas Drake. Move along.

You are referring to THN's Future Watch top 50...

Which has two Red Wings players listed; Jakub Kindl and Jonathan Ericsson. That's not shocking until you look at the team section and see that Kindl is ranked as the #2 Wings prospect behind Jimmy Howard, who is not ranked in the top 50. Ericsson is not included in Detroit's top 5 prospects, yet Brendan Smith is. Matthias isn't on the Florida list, either.

That just cements the credibility that list has when you consider that some players are simultaneously ranked as 'Among the best prospects owned by NHL teams' and simultaneously 'not among the best prospects owned by their team. I don't think any team had more than five players show up on the top-50 list, so the instance of 'top-50' players not appearing on their team's top-5 list simply means that THN loses credibility as far as this kind of list since they clearly have no clue which players are a team's best prospects as they can't seem to decide whether certain players - Matthias included - are a team's best prospect or outside their top five.

[Guest Shoreline]

If the comparison is between Bert and Val, I'll go with Val. He is just getting used to the NHL, just finishing his 2nd NHL season. Just watching him, he's still going back and forth, trying to figure out if he's got the skill to be in the top lines for good or if he's a 3rd/4th line mucker or utility with some skill. At any rate, given Val has much more promise, Bert is fading, and Val fits just fine within the organization, I'd rather stick with what is working. Val was a damn good contributor to the Wings winning the cup. He may not have the strength and body Bert has, but he's faster and one cannot doubt his work ethic.

[redwingfan19 293]

Could Bertuzzi be on way back?

Ted Kulfan / The Detroit News

"DETROIT -- Always on the lookout to get bigger and edgier, the Red Wings will have an opportunity to do so next week, and with a former teammate.

The Ducks placed forward Todd Bertuzzi on waivers Friday with the intention of buying out the remaining season on his two-year contract. If Bertuzzi goes unclaimed, as expected, he'll be an unrestricted free agent Tuesday, when teams can begin negotiating with free agents.

The Ducks signed Bertuzzi last summer to a two-year deal worth $8 million. Bertuzzi, 33, scored 14 goals and 40 points in 68 games with the Ducks.

Before signing with the Ducks, Bertuzzi spent the end of the 2006-07 season with the Wings after being acquired at the trade deadline.

Bertuzzi had five goals and six assists in 24 regular-season and playoff games with the Wings.

He was coming off back surgery while with the Wings. The back didn't seem to bother Bertuzzi in Anaheim, although he did miss some time early in the season because of a concussion.

With Bertuzzi still Anaheim property for now, the Wings aren't allowed to discuss Bertuzzi.

But Bertuzzi could be a possible fit, replacing Dallas Drake, who is leaning toward retirement.

Bertuzzi liked the tight-knit, close atmosphere in the Wings locker room, and relished being close to his family in Ontario. "

I dunno what it is, I had a gut feeling that we would get Bertuzzi at the deadline in 2007 and It happened. I'm having that feeling again. I think if Bert signed a one year for 2M or less It could work out quite well.

[Kp-Wings 3]

The idea that Bertuzzi will come here for only about 1 million a season, and be the replacement for Drake on the 4th line is pretty ridiculous. There are plenty of stupid GM's in the league that take one look at Bertuzzi and his past numbers, and hand him a hefty 2-3 million dollar contract based on that fact alone.

Plus, even though he was bought out, I'm sure Bertuzzi is still looking for a longer term deal than just one year. That's the whole reason he didn't come back in the first place.

[eva unit zero 271]

The idea that Bertuzzi will come here for only about 1 million a season, and be the replacement for Drake on the 4th line is pretty ridiculous. There are plenty of stupid GM's in the league that take one look at Bertuzzi and his past numbers, and hand him a hefty 2-3 million dollar contract based on that fact alone.

Plus, even though he was bought out, I'm sure Bertuzzi is still looking for a longer term deal than just one year. That's the whole reason he didn't come back in the first place.

If Bertuzzi can be had for a cap hit below $1.5m and is willing to play third line with Hudler and Cleary, he's welcome to a two or three year deal. If he wants more than that or doesn't want to play bottom-six, then no thank you Mr. Bertuzzi.

[rage 24]

Oh, he ain't coming here. lol

[kylee 727]

i could go for seeing him back here...

[Duck Guy 86]

i will say this even though i have said some bad things about bert and even though he has a history i really do wish him the best of luck

[edicius 3,269]

Toronto's going to sign him. Burke told them to.

[Holmstrom96Screens 0]

I hope Bertuzzi never plays another day in the nhl.

all he got was a slap on the wrist, millions more dollars, and he was still allowed to play on the olympic team for 2006.

I'm sorry, what?

I saw what he did. I'm sure we all saw it. That man should have gone to prison for what he did.

what were they on when they named bert to the olympic team? I'd say a very strong combination of crack and coke.

Makes me glad Sweden and not Canada won the olympic gold that year tbh.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I don't see him coming here again. Toronto is one thing, but I really wonder if he'd come back at this point given that he bailed a year ago.

Even still, if he comes back he'll need to work much harder than he did in Anaheim. Every season Babcock has been in charge of this team, it gets more and more demanding and more difficult to play for/against. The work ethic on the Wings is absolutely second to none.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I hope Bertuzzi never plays another day in the nhl.

all he got was a slap on the wrist, millions more dollars, and he was still allowed to play on the olympic team for 2006.

I'm sorry, what?

I saw what he did. I'm sure we all saw it. That man should have gone to prison for what he did.

what were they on when they named bert to the olympic team? I'd say a very strong combination of crack and coke.

Makes me glad Sweden and not Canada won the olympic gold that year tbh.

Yeah it was assault and yes he was not punished hard enough but you also need to remember when Bert fell on Moore half of Moore's team mate's jumped on them and made things worse by doing that . wether that made a difference i don't know . but throughout the history of Hockey and other sports these things happen all the time . i feel kinda weird defending this in a way .... even though i'm not really because at the time i wanted Bert punished so much , jail? yeah i wanted that for him too. but as a human being just like Bert and even yourself we've all had a rush of blood and done things harshly, we all make mistake which we regret . it's just that with Berts mistake someone was hurt badly .

[VM1138 1,921]

Could Bertuzzi be on way back?

Ted Kulfan / The Detroit News

"DETROIT -- Always on the lookout to get bigger and edgier, the Red Wings will have an opportunity to do so next week, and with a former teammate.

The Ducks placed forward Todd Bertuzzi on waivers Friday with the intention of buying out the remaining season on his two-year contract. If Bertuzzi goes unclaimed, as expected, he'll be an unrestricted free agent Tuesday, when teams can begin negotiating with free agents.

The Ducks signed Bertuzzi last summer to a two-year deal worth $8 million. Bertuzzi, 33, scored 14 goals and 40 points in 68 games with the Ducks.

Before signing with the Ducks, Bertuzzi spent the end of the 2006-07 season with the Wings after being acquired at the trade deadline.

Bertuzzi had five goals and six assists in 24 regular-season and playoff games with the Wings.

He was coming off back surgery while with the Wings. The back didn't seem to bother Bertuzzi in Anaheim, although he did miss some time early in the season because of a concussion.

With Bertuzzi still Anaheim property for now, the Wings aren't allowed to discuss Bertuzzi.

But Bertuzzi could be a possible fit, replacing Dallas Drake, who is leaning toward retirement.

Bertuzzi liked the tight-knit, close atmosphere in the Wings locker room, and relished being close to his family in Ontario. "

I dunno what it is, I had a gut feeling that we would get Bertuzzi at the deadline in 2007 and It happened. I'm having that feeling again. I think if Bert signed a one year for 2M or less It could work out quite well.

I do, too. Bert isn't a bad player. We ***** and compare him with Filpulla and say we'll take one over the other, but why not have both? Not everything is a damn competition. He's a solid player who works his ass off, and I haven't heard of any drama with him. He seemed to genuinely like it here, and even with a sore back he was a big part of our playoff run in 2007. As a 3rd or 2nd liner and for cheap, I say pick him up.

[Copenhagen848 58]

for a salary of 2 million or so i'd take back Bert to the Wings .

I agree....I liked having Bert as a Wing and I'd like to see him back here.

[henrik40 76]

Sorry but no thanks

[VM1138 1,921]

I agree....I liked having Bert as a Wing and I'd like to see him back here.

Isn't if funny how some people bash Bertuzzi's stay here as some sort of huge debacle? Yeah, we lost out in the long run, but it was only because he wanted too much money. It's not like HOlland could predict something like that. I can't think of any negatives during his stay with us.

[edicius 3,269]

I didn't really think Bert was a "big part" of our playoff success in '07, but that's just me. Seven points and a -2 in 16 games doesn't exactly scream success to me. But I still have Franzen's crazy good output in my mind from this past playoffs.

[Rice 42]

Isn't if funny how some people bash Bertuzzi's stay here as some sort of huge debacle? Yeah, we lost out in the long run, but it was only because he wanted too much money. It's not like HOlland could predict something like that. I can't think of any negatives during his stay with us.

Maybe because when you subtract nostalgia and look at the on-ice product Bertuzzi sucked in his time here.

[uk_redwing 495]

You cant argue with the numbers he put up the 2nd half of season when he was healthy...yet some people on here try. Ah well, wouldnt LGW without the crazy people with their senseless arguments.

If we could sign him for under 2m Id be perfectly happy to have him as a replacement for Drake.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Steve Moore, if that counts.

His name was Stacy. That's all you need to know about him.

That's a good point, because Flip did have a disappointing and inconsistent season. I guess his numbers weren't that bad in the playoffs, but I'd be looking for something more in a 2nd line center.

As far as Bert goes, his injury troubles are not worth pursuing, not for any hefty price that is. If he's willing to sign for less, than maybe, but I still want someone younger and better like Ryan Malone.

Not a valid comparison. Bert is nearing the end of his career and his scoring touch is declining. Flip is at the begining of his career and is showing great potential for improvement.

It makes no sense to compare the two.

[chrisdetroit 189]

You cant argue with the numbers he put up the 2nd half of season when he was healthy...yet some people on here try. Ah well, wouldnt LGW without the crazy people with their senseless arguments.

If we could sign him for under 2m Id be perfectly happy to have him as a replacement for Drake.

You completey missed the point. His health IS the point. To say he played well when he was healthy is not a very good basis for an argument when his bigest problem is his health.

I do agree that if we could get him for 1Mil or so and he'd be content on the 4th line but that's pretty unrealistic. A guy that was paid $4 mil last year is not going to accept a contract for 1-2 mil.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Isn't if funny how some people bash Bertuzzi's stay here as some sort of huge debacle? Yeah, we lost out in the long run, but it was only because he wanted too much money. It's not like HOlland could predict something like that. I can't think of any negatives during his stay with us.

Either your memory is going or you have on your rose colored glasses. 7 points in 16 playoff games.

Can't think of a negative - how 'bout his -2 in +/- in last years playoffs.

Not exactly what we were looking for when we signed him. Overall, a disapointing showing. Not sure why we would want to try again. Back with the Ducks this year he had 2 points in 6 playoff games and was -2 again. We really don't need guys that don't score and aren't good defensively no matter how big they are.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Maybe because when you subtract nostalgia and look at the on-ice product Bertuzzi sucked in his time here.

Well put

[chrisdetroit 189]

If Bertuzzi can be had for a cap hit below $1.5m and is willing to play third line with Hudler and Cleary, he's welcome to a two or three year deal. If he wants more than that or doesn't want to play bottom-six, then no thank you Mr. Bertuzzi.

He left because Kenny would not give him more than a 1 year deal and rightly so due to health issues. Why would Kenny now change his mind?

I'm glad Kenny eithe doesn't read this forum or laughs at the ridiculous comments posted.